Quote:War? Huh. What is it good for?
Ending the systemic genocide of the jews, winning freedom from the British to begin a new democracy, and hastening the end of slavery.
I wish WWII was about ending the systematic genocide of the Jews, but that was only a side benefit. One that came much too late to benefit 90% of it's victims. But obviously entry into WWII in Europe was still necessary and vital, so your point in still indirectly right on.
Quote:War? Huh. What is it good for?
Ending the systemic genocide of the jews, winning freedom from the British to begin a new democracy, and hastening the end of slavery.
Great, now we have to start on the damn Civil War again...
Quote:Great, now we have to start on the damn Civil War again...
Nah that horse is beat and dead
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This has the actual report you can view
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Just when you think Obama’s absolutely awful foreign policy and pandering to radical Islam couldn’t possibly get any worse, he decides to remove both Iran and Hezbollah off the list of terror threats.
So either this guy is intentionally placing our country and our relationships with allies in the Middle East at risk, or he’s dumber than a box of rocks and actually believes his progressive kumbaya style policies will create a peaceful Utopian society on earth.
I’m thinking it’s both.
Read more at http://www.youngcons.com/obama-administr...cxvxrG7.99
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No, I don't think President Obama's policies are a result of a low IQ; but I do question this presidents loyalty to the people of the United States of America and her allies. That being said, I nevertheless pray for the leadership of this country... including its president.
What I find the most disturbing isn't any of the policies, practices, or philosophy exercised by this administration. What is done by Barry Obama while he is president can, for the most part, be undone by the next president. No... what I find most disturbing about this administration is the people who put him in office to begin with... not once, but twice!
The farther we move from our Judeo/Christian heritage as a nation, the less basis there is for knowing right from wrong. Roe vs. Wade, the presidencies of Bill Clinton... and especially Barry Obama, is proof of this. As a nation, we have too often been inconsistent with what we ostensibly held to be true.
Quote:No, I don't think President Obama's policies are a result of a low IQ; but I do question this presidents loyalty to the people of the United States of America and her allies. That being said, I nevertheless pray for the leadership of this country... including its president.
What I find the most disturbing isn't any of the policies, practices, or philosophy exercised by this administration. What is done by Barry Obama while he is president can, for the most part, be undone by the next president. No... what I find most disturbing about this administration is the people who put him in office to begin with... not once, but twice!
The farther we move from our Judeo/Christian heritage as a nation, the less basis there is for knowing right from wrong. Roe vs. Wade, the presidencies of Bill Clinton... and especially Barry Obama, is proof of this. As a nation, we have too often been inconsistent with what we ostensibly held to be true.
Annnnnnnd this is why the Politcal/Religion rules on this forum make it hard for legitimate discussion.
I'll take a secular US any day and 3 times on Sunday.
Quote:Annnnnnnd this is why the Politcal/Religion rules on this forum make it hard for legitimate discussion.
I'll take a secular US any day and 3 times on Sunday.
The majority of adults in this country think they would prefer a secular US... that's part of the reason why Obama is president. However, to claim that the political/religion rules on this forum make it hard for a 'legitimate' discussion is bogus. Both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States of America contains references to a Creator. Our Pledge of Allegiance says "one nation under God". Words sir, have meaning; and the reference to 'one nation under God' is a recognition that this nation (as is true also of every nation) is subservient to God and that we recognize ourselves as such. It has been our national identity for a long time. To the degree that we no longer acknowledge this fact, we will sink into obscurity; as has every other 'great' nation that failed to acknowledge God.
God has chosen only one nation of people whom He supernaturally sustains; and it isn't the United States of America. We stand or fall by our faithfulness to Him and our support of His covenant people Israel. You may not like this, but it doesn't alter the truth of it.
The truth is... our constitution was meant to govern a people who have respect for God; it was never intended to govern a secular society.
Quote:The majority of adults in this country think they would prefer a secular US... that's part of the reason why Obama is president. However, to claim that the political/religion rules on this forum make it hard for a 'legitimate' discussion is bogus. Both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States of America contains references to a Creator. Our Pledge of Allegiance says "one nation under God". Words sir, have meaning; and the reference to 'one nation under God' is a recognition that this nation (as is true also of every nation) is subservient to God and that we recognize ourselves as such. It has been our national identity for a long time. To the degree that we no longer acknowledge this fact, we will sink into obscurity; as has every other 'great' nation that failed to acknowledge God.
God has chosen only one nation of people whom He supernaturally sustains; and it isn't the United States of America. We stand or fall by our faithfulness to Him and our support of His covenant people Israel. You may not like this, but it doesn't alter the truth of it.
The truth is... our constitution was meant to govern a people who have respect for God; it was never intended to govern a secular society.
Fun fact, the Pledge of Allegiance was created by a renowned socialist who used the "One Nation Under God" as a Trojan horse to hook society into repeating a pledge of allegiance to the state on a regular basis. The idea was to have children recite the "pledge" every day essentially brain washing them to be loyal to the state above all else, including religious affiliations.
as for the constitution only governing religious people that's hogwash. Plenty of the founding fathers where agnostic, especially for there time. If anything they where seeking freedom from a religious state.
Look I'm religious but let's not white wash history here it only discredits any credible argument you might be trying to make.
Quote:Annnnnnnd this is why the Politcal/Religion rules on this forum make it hard for legitimate discussion.
I'll take a secular US any day and 3 times on Sunday.
I'll take a society where you're free to be either.
Quote:I'll take a society where you're free to be either.
Requires a government that is secular though
Quote:Fun fact, the Pledge of Allegiance was created by a renowned socialist who used the "One Nation Under God" as a Trojan horse to hook society into repeating a pledge of allegiance to the state on a regular basis. The idea was to have children recite the "pledge" every day essentially brain washing them to be loyal to the state above all else, including religious affiliations.
as for the constitution only governing religious people that's hogwash. Plenty of the founding fathers where agnostic, especially for there time. If anything they where seeking freedom from a religious state.
Look I'm religious but let's not white wash history here it only discredits any credible argument you might be trying to make.
Fun fact, it was added in 1954 to fight the commies!!!!
Quote:The majority of adults in this country think they would prefer a secular US... that's part of the reason why Obama is president. However, to claim that the political/religion rules on this forum make it hard for a 'legitimate' discussion is bogus. Both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States of America contains references to a Creator. Our Pledge of Allegiance says "one nation under God". Words sir, have meaning; and the reference to 'one nation under God' is a recognition that this nation (as is true also of every nation) is subservient to God and that we recognize ourselves as such. It has been our national identity for a long time. To the degree that we no longer acknowledge this fact, we will sink into obscurity; as has every other 'great' nation that failed to acknowledge God.
God has chosen only one nation of people whom He supernaturally sustains; and it isn't the United States of America. We stand or fall by our faithfulness to Him and our support of His covenant people Israel. You may not like this, but it doesn't alter the truth of it.
The truth is... our constitution was meant to govern a people who have respect for God; it was never intended to govern a secular society.
Truth... Oh that's so rich every time I hear it.
Can mods please just delete this post instead of shutting this thread down? It's a good thread and I'd rather it not get shut down.
Quote:Fun fact, it was added in 1954 to fight the commies!!!!
I think you're right the Under God part wasn't added until later I'll have to look it up. I know Francis was a Baptist Socialist Minister, and his stated purpose was to teach children a pledge to the state above all else.
He would essentially be the enemy of anything "conservative" today, which is why it cracks me up that conservatives find the pledge so patriotic.
All I'll say is: The Treaty of Tripoli.
And that's about all I can say on that issue.
Quote:All I'll say is: The Treaty of Tripoli.
And that's about all I can say on that issue.
Well how about that... Thanks for learning me something new.
Quote:Fun fact, the Pledge of Allegiance was created by a renowned socialist who used the "One Nation Under God" as a Trojan horse to hook society into repeating a pledge of allegiance to the state on a regular basis. The idea was to have children recite the "pledge" every day essentially brain washing them to be loyal to the state above all else, including religious affiliations.
as for the constitution only governing religious people that's hogwash. Plenty of the founding fathers where agnostic, especially for there time. If anything they where seeking freedom from a religious state.
Look I'm religious but let's not white wash history here it only discredits any credible argument you might be trying to make.
let's not re-write it either. The primary reason for people coming to America was to flee religious persecution in Europe. As for the statement that the constitution was written with people who fear God in mind and not a wholly secular society, I suggest you recheck your recent history and the arguments being made to alter the constitution to better fit a 'modern' society. That the Pledge of Allegiance may have been created by someone who didn't have the best interest of this country at heart when he wrote it does not alter the fact that the Pledge has been a cornerstone of what the nation has stood for... even if 'one nation under God' has become a joke.
Quote:Truth... Oh that's so rich every time I hear it.
Can mods please just delete this post instead of shutting this thread down? It's a good thread and I'd rather it not get shut down.
truth... if you can't handle it, then go away.
Quote:let's not re-write it either. The primary reason for people coming to America was to flee religious persecution in Europe. As for the statement that the constitution was written with people who fear God in mind and not a wholly secular society, I suggest you recheck your recent history and the arguments being made to alter the constitution to better fit a 'modern' society. That the Pledge of Allegiance may have been created by someone who didn't have the best interest of this country at heart when he wrote it does not alter the fact that the Pledge has been a cornerstone of what the nation has stood for... even if 'one nation under God' has become a joke.
False. Not even close.
The original pledge did not include god at all. It was rewritten in 1954 to include in god we trust in an effort to galvanize people against the evil commies.
So what was that about recent history and changing things?
Quote:truth... if you can't handle it, then go away.
Oh you are one of the militant ones.... Have fun with that.
I just dropped truth on you after you spread misinformation in my reply above this one.
See the link to the treaty of tripoli as posted previously if you are remotely interested in actual truthiness.
Quote:let's not re-write it either. The primary reason for people coming to America was to flee religious persecution in Europe. As for the statement that the constitution was written with people who fear God in mind and not a wholly secular society, I suggest you recheck your recent history and the arguments being made to alter the constitution to better fit a 'modern' society. That the Pledge of Allegiance may have been created by someone who didn't have the best interest of this country at heart when he wrote it does not alter the fact that the Pledge has been a cornerstone of what the nation has stood for... even if 'one nation under God' has become a joke.
Yes they came here to escape a system where the church and the state where one. That's never been good anywhere in the history of mankind!
You can't claim the constitution was written for only a specific type of people that would violate the entire purpose of the constitution. Find me where it says we the Christian people do here by....if anything the founding fathers understood different cultures and belief systems had to be protected thus the whole separation of church and state, it protects both entities.
As for the pledge you should just give up on claiming the pledge as a cornerstone of evidence for a religiously exclusive nation. I mean come on man it was written with nazi salutes and all it's socialist propaganda always has been always will be.