Quote:You really want to negotiate with ISIS and Al Queda who is performing a modern day holocaust?
where did he say that? He's talking about Iran an established state with a functioning government (albeit one we don't agree with their a functioning government).
There would be no ISIS if it wasn't for our meddling in the middle east, we directly armed, trained and created ISIS.
Quote:Now this I have a problem with
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/world/...aders.html
It's one thing to bicker amongst ourselves, to take political stands and go back and forth it's the nature of our republic. It's another to show two faces when trying to negotiate with foreign nations. Not only is stupid, it ruins the ability to do anything over seas. Regardless if we agree with Obama's deal those matters are to be addressed here at home, what purpose does it serve to send Iran a letter like this?
I'd like to know what republican idiots signed off on this. I know John McCain was one of them but I can't find a full list anywhere.
This is the perfect example of when stupid and partisanship cross paths, congrats republicans you just might blow the white house after all. smh I need a bigger bunker this ships going down.
Wow.
Congress should have no role in International politics.
Quote:where did he say that? He's talking about Iran an established state with a functioning government (albeit one we don't agree with their a functioning government).
There would be no ISIS if it wasn't for our meddling in the middle east, we directly armed, trained and created ISIS.
Iran's economy is in shambles with all the financial sanctions levied against them. They are supported by the illegal drug trade and terrorist organizations.
So ISIS was around in the 1980's when Regan gave weapons and funds to Iran for their war with Iraq?
Quote:Wow.
Congress should have no role in International politics.
Who said that? I said the action these 47 senators took does nothing to build, strength or change any negotiations just simply a letter saying we'll be here long after he's gone so anything you can hammer out is pointless.
It's the same as Pelosi going to Assad when Bush was trying to isolate them, it's wrong on both parties side, just the republicans tend to make stupid moves in mass.
Quote:Iran's economy is in shambles with all the financial sanctions levied against them. They are supported by the illegal drug trade and terrorist organizations.
So ISIS was around in the 1980's when Regan gave weapons and funds to Iran for their war with Iraq?
ISIS is the direct result of us arming the Syrian rebels to take on Assad. When Assad wasn't an easy target they shifted targets, they said all along when we're done with Assad, America and Israel are next.
Quote:Now this I have a problem with
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/world/...aders.html
It's one thing to bicker amongst ourselves, to take political stands and go back and forth it's the nature of our republic. It's another to show two faces when trying to negotiate with foreign nations. Not only is stupid, it ruins the ability to do anything over seas. Regardless if we agree with Obama's deal those matters are to be addressed here at home, what purpose does it serve to send Iran a letter like this?
I'd like to know what republican idiots signed off on this. I know John McCain was one of them but I can't find a full list anywhere.
This is the perfect example of when stupid and partisanship cross paths, congrats republicans you just might blow the white house after all. smh I need a bigger bunker this ships going down.
The real problem is that they are undermining any treaty that we sign from now on, by saying "The other political party will just nullify it if they don't agree with it. So don't sign anything with us! We will not honor it. The words of our President mean less than nothing."
N/M found the list of Republicans that didn't sign it:
Lisa Murkowski (Alaska)
Jeff Flake (Arizona)
Dan Coats (Indiana)
Thad Cochran (Mississippi)
Susan Collins (Mississippi)
Bob Corker (Tennessee)
Lamar Alexander (Tennessee)
The rest all signed it:
Richard Shelby (Alabama)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)
Dan Sullivan (Alaska)
John McCain (Arizona)
John Boozman (Arkansas)
Tom Cotton (Arkansas)
Cody Gardner (Colorado)
Marco Rubio (Florida)
David Perdue (Georgia)
Johnny Isakson Georgia)
Jim Risch (Idaho)
Mike Crapo (Idaho)
Mark Kirk (Illinois)
Chuck Grassley (Iowa)
Joni Ernst (Iowa)
Mitch McConnnell (Kansas)
Jerry Moran (Kansas)
Pat Roberts (Kasnas)
Rand Paul (Kentucky)
David Vitter (Louisiana)
Bill Cassidy (Louisiana)
Roy Blunt (Misouri)
Roger Wicker (Mississippi)
Steve Daines (Montana)
Ben Sasse (Nebraska)
Deb Fischer (Nebraska)
Dean Heller (Nevada)
Kelly Ayote (New Hampshire)
Thom Tillis (North Carolina)
Richard Burr (North Carolina)
John Hoeven (North Dakota)
Rob Portman (Ohio)
James Lankford (Oklahoma)
Jim Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Pat Toomey (Pennsylvania)
Tim Scott (South Carolina)
Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)
John Thune (South Dakota)
Mike Rounds (South Dakota)
Ted Cruz (Texas)
John Cornyn (Texas)
Mike Lee (Utah)
Orrin Hatch (Utah)
Shelly moore Capito (West Virginia)
Rob Johnson (Wisconsin)
Mike Enzi (Wyoming)
John Barrasso (Wyoming)
Quote:
The real problem is that they are undermining any treaty that we sign from now on, by saying "The other political party will just nullify it if they don't agree with it. So don't sign anything with us! We will not honor it. The words of our President mean less than nothing."
N/M found the list of Republicans that didn't sign it:
Lisa Murkowski (Alaska)
Jeff Flake (Arizona)
Dan Coats (Indiana)
Thad Cochran (Mississippi)
Susan Collins (Mississippi)
Bob Corker (Tennessee)
Lamar Alexander (Tennessee)
The rest all signed it:
<div>Richard Shelby (Alabama)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)
Dan Sullivan (Alaska)
John McCain (Arizona)
John Boozman (Arkansas)
Tom Cotton (Arkansas)
Cody Gardner (Colorado)
Marco Rubio (Florida)
David Perdue (Georgia)
Johnny Isakson Georgia)
Jim Risch (Idaho)
Mike Crapo (Idaho)
Mark Kirk (Illinois)
Chuck Grassley (Iowa)
Joni Ernst (Iowa)
Mitch McConnnell (Kansas)
Jerry Moran (Kansas)
Pat Roberts (Kasnas)
Rand Paul (Kentucky)
David Vitter (Louisiana)
Bill Cassidy (Louisiana)
Roy Blunt (Misouri)
Roger Wicker (Mississippi)
Steve Daines (Montana)
Ben Sasse (Nebraska)
Deb Fischer (Nebraska)
Dean Heller (Nevada)
Kelly Ayote (New Hampshire)
Thom Tillis (North Carolina)
Richard Burr (North Carolina)
John Hoeven (North Dakota)
Rob Portman (Ohio)
James Lankford (Oklahoma)
Jim Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Pat Toomey (Pennsylvania)
Tim Scott (South Carolina)
Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)
John Thune (South Dakota)
Mike Rounds (South Dakota)
Ted Cruz (Texas)
John Cornyn (Texas)
Mike Lee (Utah)
Orrin Hatch (Utah)
Shelly moore Capito (West Virginia)
Rob Johnson (Wisconsin)
Mike Enzi (Wyoming)
John Barrasso (Wyoming)
</div>
Exactly my point, they're beyond naive to think now the Democrats simply won't do the same thing when a Republican President attempts to negotiate with a foreign nation.
So now we've essentially told the rest of the world you'll need two treaties to deal with us, like I said this kind of partisanship isn't manageable, working on the bigger bunker as we speak....
Really disappointed that list is so long on the Republican side. I don't agree with Obama's negotiation with Iran but that should be dealt with in house, this was a bridge to far.
Quote:You really want to negotiate with ISIS and Al Queda who is performing a modern day holocaust?
Neither of those are the Iranian government
Quote:Exactly my point, they're beyond naive to think now the Democrats simply won't do the same thing when a Republican President attempts to negotiate with a foreign nation.
So now we've essentially told the rest of the world you'll need two treaties to deal with us, like I said this kind of partisanship isn't manageable, working on the bigger bunker as we speak....
Really disappointed that list is so long on the Republican side. I don't agree with Obama's negotiation with Iran but that should be dealt with in house, this was a bridge to far.
Actively attempting to undermine foreign policy is not a good political idea.
Actively attempting to derail peace talks by the president of your country at the behest of a foreign leader is disgusting and borderline sedition. The whole thing reeks.
Quote:Actively attempting to undermine foreign policy is not a good political idea.
Actively attempting to derail peace talks by the president of your country at the behest of a foreign leader is disgusting and borderline sedition. The whole thing reeks.
It's crap like that which might gift wrap the White House to the Democrats again. I swear if we get another Bush/Clinton in the White House...............
Quote:It's crap like that which might gift wrap the White House to the Democrats again. I swear if we get another Bush/Clinton in the White House...............
Unfortunately it's looking that way regardless. The young and the left actually turn up for the presidential elections. The midterms not so much. The right has continued to alienate the center and the independents. Bernie Sanders, while he will make the debates very interesting to watch won't stand a chance against the corporatist Clinton's money. Bush is, it appears, the only electable GOP candidate at the moment.
Here we go again.
Quote:Exactly my point, they're beyond naive to think now the Democrats simply won't do the same thing when a Republican President attempts to negotiate with a foreign nation.
So now we've essentially told the rest of the world you'll need two treaties to deal with us, like I said this kind of partisanship isn't manageable, working on the bigger bunker as we speak....
Really disappointed that list is so long on the Republican side. I don't agree with Obama's negotiation with Iran but that should be dealt with in house, this was a bridge to far.
Even if Democrats
don't do it, the rest of the world has no reason to think that they
won't.
Not surprised Old Turtle Face supported it. Sad thing is a lot of Republicans (non politicians) will support the party line, rather than realize just how bad this is. Just because they too disagree with Obama's negotiation.
Quote:Even if Democrats don't do it, the rest of the world has no reason to think that they won't.
Not surprised Old Turtle Face supported it. Sad thing is a lot of Republicans (non politicians) will support the party line, rather than realize just how bad this is. Just because they too disagree with Obama's negotiation.
That's the problem. The vast majority don't disagree with his negotiation because they don't even know what is being negotiated outside of nukes in Iran. They will support this simply because it's anti-Obama and because republican. It's as simple as that.
Quote:Unfortunately it's looking that way regardless. The young and the left actually turn up for the presidential elections. The midterms not so much. The right has continued to alienate the center and the independents. Bernie Sanders, while he will make the debates very interesting to watch won't stand a chance against the corporatist Clinton's money. Bush is, it appears, the only electable GOP candidate at the moment.
Here we go again.
I think Rand could beat any of them, but he won't get the Republican nomination. It'll be Jeb that much has already been decided and it's obvious to anyone paying attention.
Ugh Bernie Sanders, the antithesis of everything I believe in.
Quote:I think Rand could beat any of them, but he won't get the Republican nomination. It'll be Jeb that much has already been decided and it's obvious to anyone paying attention.
Ugh Bernie Sanders, the antithesis of everything I believe in.
he aligns with your views on foreign aid and war doctrines though. Come on you anarchist you, come over to the commie's side. We have punch and pie for everyone! :teehee:
Quote:he aligns with your views on foreign aid and war doctrines though. Come on you anarchist you, come over to the commie's side. We have punch and pie for everyone! :teehee:
haha it'll take more then pie, now we start talking fried chicken............
Quote:haha it'll take more then pie, now we start talking fried chicken............
You will like the pie and love the pie. All glory to proletariat!
Quote:Let them eat cake.
Only if Bibi tells us to eat it
Quote:Only if Bibi tells us to eat it
I would be thrilled if Bibi decides to take out the Iran nuclear program without U.S. involvement. It can't happen soon enough.