Quote:I think that a trade down to draft an ORT would probably be prudent.
I hate this. Draft a RT so he can have some more rookie growing pains and get crushed?
No. We need a young veteran to come in here and solidify that RT spot. Not a rookie to come in and learn.
Maybe a 3rd round rookie but not a 1st rounder. Give me a pass rusher in the 1st.
Throw 100 million at suh brehs
Give julius and mccourty 15 mil a year while were at it
All we gotta do is front load the contracts amirite
Quote:I hate this. Draft a RT so he can have some more rookie growing pains and get crushed?
No. We need a young veteran to come in here and solidify that RT spot. Not a rookie to come in and learn.
Maybe a 3rd round rookie but not a 1st rounder. Give me a pass rusher in the 1st.
I see your point, but doesn't this kinda presume rookie DEs don't have a learning curve?
There is a fairly high bust rate for DEs.
Quote:C'mon man...there are 17 other teams with over 20 mil in cap space, and several of those with over 40 mil. The Colts, Raiders, Jets, Browns, Bears, and others have all gone on record saying they will be big spenders in FA (which Dave hasn't even said). So silly to think most of the rest of the league, which also has tons of cap space, is just going to flop over on their back and let the Jags get anyone they want.
The Colts have a monster extension coming up with Andrew Luck and TY Hilton, the Bears still have Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall on the books, and will have to pay Alshon Jeffery soon, why would any FA go to the disaster that is the Cleveland Browns? The Raiders and Jets are legitimate players, but the Jaguars have more money than both of those teams. Do I expect to sign all of those guys? No, but I certainly don't think it's unrealistic due to the significant amount of cap space, and our roster situation (a ton of young players early into their first contract).
Quote:Maybe not the very top of every position. But a ton of players who could help.
I do think we will get a lot of help, but I don't we get more than 1 of these marquee FAs that everyone is putting 3 or more of on their wish list. Heck, I'm not even sure we get 1. The competition is going to be extremely fierce there is a ton of cap space out there.
If we do get one of the marquee, then a handful of other good and overlooked guys like I mentioned above we will be a very much improved team.
Quote:There is no one on the current roster that is in the same stratosphere (impact wise as Suh), this is a dumb argument.
this is so true.
qb pressure for us is at the bottom of the league.
sacks we had plenty of.
but not consistent pressure.
consistent qb pressure we need.
Quote:Throw 100 million at suh brehs
Give julius and mccourty 15 mil a year while were at it
All we gotta do is front load the contracts amirite
Suh will get anywhere between $60-$65M guaranteed, he's not getting
$100M, yes
, the Jaguars can easily (and will) front load the contracts to free up space for their "own" players later.
Quote:The Colts have a monster extension coming up with Andrew Luck and TY Hilton, the Bears still have Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall on the books, and will have to pay Alshon Jeffery soon, why would any FA go to the disaster that is the Cleveland Browns? The Raiders and Jets are legitimate players, but the Jaguars have more money than both of those teams. Do I expect to sign all of those guys? No, but I certainly don't think it's unrealistic due to the significant amount of cap space, and our roster situation (a ton of young players early into their first contract).
And last year the Saints were already OVER the cap and still managed to manipulate the cap to sign the most expensive FA in the entire class in Jairus Byrd. What you said above is logical in theory, but the cap gurus on these teams have proven time and again they will find a way to get the players they want at the expense of whatever if they think that one player will push them over the top...and you can bet teams like the Colts and Bears will think that with several of these players.
Quote:I do think we will get a lot of help, but I don't we get more than 1 of these marquee FAs that everyone is putting 3 or more of on their wish list. Heck, I'm not even sure we get 1. The competition is going to be extremely fierce there is a ton of cap space out there.
If we do get one of the marquee, then a handful of other good and overlooked guys like I mentioned above we will be a very much improved team.
No state income tax well help some.
Weather will help some....won't matter in some cases
Scheme will help some...hurt in other instances.
More cap room will help some.
I think what will hurt this team more than anything will be it hasn't won in a while.
Unless we can convince those guys who want to win that we are close to winning-in addition to offering a boatload of money-we will miss out on some for that reason.
But I think a ton of cap room, a mandate to spend to a certain percentage of the cap, and and owner/GM who has publicly stated a willingness to do what it takes to attract free agents here will help too.
Quote:this is so true.
qb pressure for us is at the bottom of the league.
sacks we had plenty of.
but not consistent pressure.
consistent qb pressure we need.
He's the best interior defensive linemen in football; the people that don't want to sign him don't understand how special of a player he is. He single handedly destroys the run game and collapses the pocket against the pass, he has 36 career sacks in 78 games and while that number is incredibly impressive for DT, it doesn't explain how dominant of a player he is.
Quote:And last year the Saints were already OVER the cap and still managed to manipulate the cap to sign the most expensive FA in the entire class in Jairus Byrd. What you said above is logical in theory, but the cap gurus on these teams have proven time and again they will find a way to get the players they want at the expense of whatever if they think that one player will push them over the top...and you can bet teams like the Colts and Bears will think that with several of these players.
Yea and the teams that "manipulate" the cap to free up space always pay it for in the long run (that certainly has to be on their minds), it's like maxing out a credit card, that bill will be due soon. Again, I don't expect the Jags to sign all of those guys, but wouldn't be surprised as our situation is unlike any other team in football.
A way to determine the value of a player is thinking: Would I want to play that player 2X per year? As much as I like players like McCourty, Cobb, J. Thomas, and so on, Suh is the only player that makes me say, "Please God, don't allow Suh to go to the Colts, Titans or Texans."
Quote:Just give me McCourty and anything else is just gravy.
This.
Quote:I see your point, but doesn't this kinda presume rookie DEs don't have a learning curve?
There is a fairly high bust rate for DEs.
Speaking of...Justin Houston received the non exclusive tag, which means other teams can negotiate with him and if the Chiefs decline to match you would give up 2 first round picks to get him. Is he worth it?
Edit:
To add, it looks like his situation may be a story in itself:
Quote:Per a league source, Houston intends to aggressively pursue an offer sheet from another team, targeting teams that would be giving up a low first-round pick in 2015 and, most likely, a low first-round pick in 2016. Houston also intends to continue to pursue an offer sheet after the draft, when the compensation necessarily will become a first-round pick in 2016 and 2017.
Houston, we’re told, is seriously considering staying away from the Chiefs until the Week 10 deadline for signing the franchise tender. If nothing materializes by then, Houston would sign the tender, finish the season, and hit the market in 2016 — unless the Chiefs plan to tender him again, at a 20-percent raise over the 2015 franchise tender.
That’s a stark change from Houston’s in-season plan to sign the tender right away, gladly accepting the life-transforming $13 million or so for one year of play. That 22-sack season may have been a factor in Houston’s change of plans.
Finally, Houston will consult with the NFLPA to explore the possibility of filing a grievance seeking the defensive end franchise tender, which will be higher than the linebacker tender. Seven years ago, Ravens and Terrell Suggs engaged in a similar fight, with the two sides agreeing to essentially split the difference. For Houston, it could be a bit more challenging because he actually does play a considerable amount of linebacker, dropping into coverage in some passing situations.
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Quote:Speaking of...Justin Houston received the non exclusive tag, which means other teams can negotiate with him and if the Chiefs decline to match you would give up 2 first round picks to get him. Is he worth it?
No
Please dont tag Devin McCourty!!!!
Quote:Speaking of...Justin Houston received the non exclusive tag, which means other teams can negotiate with him and if the Chiefs decline to match you would give up 2 first round picks to get him. Is he worth it?
No one has ever broken 20 sacks in his rookie contract. If he produces like that for another 5 years, then yes he is absolutely worth it. If I was a superbowl contender with cap space (such as Green Bay), I would be giving it serious consideration.
Can you imagine Houston and Mathews both chasing the QB? Whew. I think it might be worth it for the Packers.
In thinking about it, we dont have to resign Bortles for what, 3 more years? They can absolutely afford to sign as many guys as they want. I think they go all out and chase Suh, McCourty, J. Thomas, and a 2nd tier RT like Barksdale.
Quote:Yea and the teams that "manipulate" the cap to free up space always pay it for in the long run (that certainly has to be on their minds), it's like maxing out a credit card, that bill will be due soon. Again, I don't expect the Jags to sign all of those guys, but wouldn't be surprised as our situation is unlike any other team in football.
Trust me, I understand and agree with the logic. However, we also see every year teams take that logic and throw it out the window (usually contenders such as the Saints, Patriots, and Broncos last year) to compete right now. The Saints and Broncos are going to pay for it this year by having to lose out on good players like Julius and Knighton (and Evans for the Saints), but there will always be another GM/coach who feels like their job is on the hot seat and will jump in with both feet to save it...future be damned.
It appears that Caldwell and Bradley have a pretty good image to build this team to have maintained success. The problem is when you have a team pretty much devoid of talent and expect to build through the draft, meaning you expect young players to not only contribute but to star, it is going to be a long process. Problem is, everybody expects an immediate, unrealistic fix.
I really hope they do spend, but are able to maintain their long term image. I understand their seat is hot and hopefully they do enough now to save their job without sacrificing the future image they have envisioned. Assuming Bortles proves to be a franchise guy, I genuinely believe they can build something similar to what the Patriots have.