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blaming Bortles on that Mosely sack is pretty ridiculous.  Plus the clip is in slow motion, giving the illusion that he had adequate time.

Lageman shows 3 plays that he thinks weren't the Oline's fault.  Why is he doing this?  Why not show the sacks where it was their fault?

 

The blown screen pass? Ok.  The Storm Johnson 1v1 on Suggs?  That's a coaching failure. 

Quote:blaming Bortles on that Mosely sack is pretty ridiculous.  Plus the clip is in slow motion, giving the illusion that he had adequate time.

I kinda agree. It did look like he should have gotten rid of it earlier, but the line still should be able to give him a little more time than it did. They were pretty much breaking down immediately.

How can we expect Storm Johnson to block Suggs when our LT can't even come close to blocking him?  #Jeddfischlogic

Quote:I kinda agree. It did look like he should have gotten rid of it earlier, but the line still should be able to give him a little more time than it did. They were pretty much breaking down immediately.

That was pretty much the case the entire game. 

 

I get it, not every sack was on the oline.  But that oline got manhandled Sunday in embarrassing fashion. 

 

The play late in the game where Marcedes finally caught the ball, Bortles got sandwiched in between both his tackles and got blasted by Jernigan up the middle. 

 

He was running for his life the entire game. 

Quote:That was pretty much the case the entire game. 

 

I get it, not every sack was on the oline.  But that oline got manhandled Sunday in embarrassing fashion. 

 

The play late in the game where Marcedes finally caught the ball, Bortles got sandwiched in between both his tackles and got blasted by Jernigan up the middle. 

 

He was running for his life the entire game. 

 

Im confused at what Lageman is trying to accomplish with this analysis.  Is he trying to make himself look even more like a shill?  He is hurting his credibility with this silly video that only looks at 3 of the 8 sacks.  Then the details of his analysis are questionable on top of that.

 

His comment:  "That isn't the offensive line, is it?"  is borderline insulting to everybody who can plainly see that we have problems on the line.

 

 

Quote:Im confused at what Lageman is trying to accomplish with this analysis.  Is he trying to make himself look even more like a shill?  He is hurting his credibility with this silly video that only looks at 3 of the 8 sacks.  Then the details of his analysis are questionable on top of that.

 

His comment:  "That isn't the offensive line, is it?"  is borderline insulting to everybody who can plainly see that we have problems on the line.

I have no clue what he is trying to accomplish either. 

 

The fact of the matter is, is that Bortles is running for his life. 

 

I proposed this question yesterday also.  How many times has Borltes bailed the oline out this season?  How many sacks would this oline give up to a QB that can't maneuver?

Quote:Im confused at what Lageman is trying to accomplish with this analysis.  Is he trying to make himself look even more like a shill?  He is hurting his credibility with this silly video that only looks at 3 of the 8 sacks.  Then the details of his analysis are questionable on top of that.

 

His comment:  "That isn't the offensive line, is it?"  is borderline insulting to everybody who can plainly see that we have problems on the line.

 

IMO, the tone of anyone Jags related has become closer to defensive and apologetic in regards to a sinking ship.  Oehser is the shortest I've ever seen him with his responses and the rest (i.e. Lageman) are fighting hard to sell the improvement campaign.

 

I lose respect for their credibility (or lackof) on a weekly basis nowadays it seems.

Quote:I have no clue what he is trying to accomplish either. 

 

The fact of the matter is, is that Bortles is running for his life. 

 

I proposed this question yesterday also.  How many times has Borltes bailed the oline out this season?  How many sacks would this oline give up to a QB that can't maneuver?

 

Exactly, and like you said, what about the plays where Bortles barely gets it off in time only to get destroyed by a free runner?

 

Quote:IMO, the tone of anyone Jags related has become closer to defensive and apologetic in regards to a sinking ship.  Oehser is the shortest I've ever seen him with his responses and the rest (i.e. Lageman) are fighting hard to sell the improvement campaign.

 

I lose respect for their credibility (or lackof) on a weekly basis nowadays it seems.

 

I figured their credibility was shot after the Gene Smith debacle. 

Quote:Lageman shows 3 plays that he thinks weren't the Oline's fault.  Why is he doing this?

 

Because so many of folks like you get it absolutely wrong.  Repeatedly.  Then do it all over again, again.

 

Like it's been said many times before, there are a lot of things wrong that are causing sacks.  Bad decisions from the QB, bad play calls (rolling the QB into Watt, for example), bad blitz pickups from the backs, and on and on.

 

When they outnumber your front, the QB needs to make the read, and the team needs to turn that into an advantage.  As a fan and not knowing the playbook and how he's being coached and/or allowed to change plays on the line, it's hard to say if that's more QB or coaching.  Safe to say it's some combination of both, where someone is coming free and the line outnumbered.

 

It's not all the line, but if only one scapegoat can be processed at a time, that seems to be the favorite checkdown excuse.

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To answer the original question, it's this... and weak links at LG and RT.  RT especially because of injury.

 

C, RG, and LT are playing well (sometimes great) at times, but aside from RG it hasn't been consistent.  Far from as consistent as it needs to be.

 

They have to play better together.  And, they have to help out the weakest link (RT) more.

The sad part about the sacks, whether they're on the OL/Bortles/other, is they're wasting  a lot of good play by the WRs. On at least one of the sacks Hurns completely toasted his CB on a double move and was wide open for a touchdown. 

Quote:The sad part about the sacks, whether they're on the OL/Bortles/other, is they're wasting  a lot of good play by the WRs. On at least one of the sacks Hurns completely toasted his CB on a double move and was wide open for a touchdown. 

I wouldn't give them a pass.  The WRs have been inconsistent too.

Quote:I wouldn't give them a pass.  The WRs have been inconsistent too.

 

I don't disagree, but speaking specifically of the Ravens game, the WRs were getting good separation downfield and often not getting rewarded for it. 

Quote:I wouldn't give them a pass.  The WRs have been inconsistent too.

This has been an issue all season long.  At what point do we put this on coaching?  Fundamentals, like catching a pass that hits you in the numbers, can be corrected.

Quote:I wouldn't give them a pass.  The WRs have been inconsistent too.

Anyone with the responsibility of catching passes has been inconsistent.  Even our guys who have been mostly impressive like Hurns and Robinson have had their bad moments where they're dropping passes.  The real frustrating thing is watching a guy like Marcedes Lewis continue to play stone hands when the ball is thrown his way.  You never know what to expect from him from one play to the next. 

Quote:Because so many of folks like you get it absolutely wrong. Repeatedly. Then do it all over again, again.


Like it's been said many times before, there are a lot of things wrong that are causing sacks. Bad decisions from the QB, bad play calls (rolling the QB into Watt, for example), bad blitz pickups from the backs, and on and on.


When they outnumber your front, the QB needs to make the read, and the team needs to turn that into an advantage. As a fan and not knowing the playbook and how he's being coached and/or allowed to change plays on the line, it's hard to say if that's more QB or coaching. Safe to say it's some combination of both, where someone is coming free and the line outnumbered.


It's not all the line, but if only one scapegoat can be processed at a time, that seems to be the favorite checkdown excuse.

Again, he cherry picked 3 plays....jee i wonder why.


Who here says EVERY SACK was the result of a bad line? Lags basically does the same thing on the other side of the coin by choosing only sacks caused by missed assignments. And if you watch the Moseley sack, it wasnt all on Bortles like Lags says. So his analysis is off anyway.


You dont need to know every little detail about every play when one man clearly beats another man. Those plays he conveniently leaves out just to make a point. Which honestly makes his point less valid.

Everybody who works for the Jaguars at this point is full of [BAD WORD REMOVED] and are protecting their employers product. I can't listen to the radio shows, articles, or videos because these excuses and analysis are getting to be insulting to people who have been following this team. To say this offensive line is playing better is a lie.