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Quote:If you go to work tomorrow and you have a different supervisor, chances are your still gonna perform the same, give or take.
Arob, Hurns, and Lee know how to play football. If anything McCardell has playing experience in some big games against the best CBs. Jerry Sullivan was a wiley veteran coach.
As someone who has worked under some really, really bad supervisors (read; military) and some really, really good supervisors, I can attest that this is absolutely not the case.
At all.
Work and sports are way different.
I go to work and I am not running computer program drills and getting knowledge from experts in the field day in and day out.
Only time a job you get extensive training is if you screw up and need re-training or you are learning a new course.
In sports your job is to learn, train and get better everyday.
I wouldn't worry about any lack of coaching experience on McCardell's part knowing his relationship with the great one... TC. The two go back a ways, and if McCardell has any doubts whatoever, he can turn to the Coughlin for advise. ...and remember also, TC was once a WR coach himself. In fact, from 1984 through 1990, Coughlin was a WR coach for a few NFC teams.
Quote:If you go to work tomorrow and you have a different supervisor, chances are your still gonna perform the same, give or take.
Arob, Hurns, and Lee know how to play football. If anything McCardell has playing experience in some big games against the best CBs. Jerry Sullivan was a wiley veteran coach.
If you come into work and the entire management team has been replaced from the VP on down and you're not busting tail chances are you may not be with the company much longer. Especially if your department was underperforming which initially lead to your immediate supervisor getting canned.
Quote:If you go to work tomorrow and you have a different supervisor, chances are your still gonna perform the same, give or take.
Arob, Hurns, and Lee know how to play football. If anything McCardell has playing experience in some big games against the best CBs. Jerry Sullivan was a wiley veteran coach.
Where have you been working my man?
Because that's absolutely not the case.
Quote:If you go to work tomorrow and you have a different supervisor, chances are your still gonna perform the same, give or take.
Arob, Hurns, and Lee know how to play football. If anything McCardell has playing experience in some big games against the best CBs. Jerry Sullivan was a wiley veteran coach.
And old. That older style dont work in todays nfl.
Quote:And old. That older style dont work in todays nfl.
That's a load of crap. I'm pretty sure all of Sullivan's success has come in "todays nfl".
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That's a load of crap. I'm pretty sure all of Sullivan's success has come in "todays nfl".
Now wait.
I'd like to hear a breakdown of what these old methods are that Sullivan is teaching and these new innovative methods that a young coach would teach. I'm sure he has some insightful comments since he's privy to what Sullivan does during practice.
Quote:That's a load of crap. I'm pretty sure all of Sullivan's success has come in "todays nfl".
I am not saying he is not a good to very good coach. I am saying his time passed.
The product on the field says as much.
Hurns regressed and Ar15 regressed. To say otherwise is foolish.
So I will retract coaching style with relaying information. That only worked for a short while.
And seen that with every receiver we have had. Since sullivan has been here.
And walters was making plays back in Houston.
There has been no consistancy.
Quote:I am not saying he is not a good to very good coach. I am saying his time passed.
The product on the field says as much.
Hurns regressed and Ar15 regressed. To say otherwise is foolish.
So I will retract coaching style with relaying information. That only worked for a short while.
And seen that with every receiver we have had. Since sullivan has been here.
And walters was making plays back in Houston.
So then you're saying Coughlin's time has passed as well...right? Because the product on the field said as much.
Quote:Now wait.
I'd like to hear a breakdown of what these old methods are that Sullivan is teaching and these new innovative methods that a young coach would teach. I'm sure he has some insightful comments since he's privy to what Sullivan does during practice.
If he's not, I'm sure his sidekicks, Pookie and Banjo certainly have some insight.
Quote:I am not saying he is not a good to very good coach. I am saying his time passed.
The product on the field says as much.
Hurns regressed and Ar15 regressed. To say otherwise is foolish.
So I will retract coaching style with relaying information. That only worked for a short while.
And seen that with every receiver we have had. Since sullivan has been here.
And walters was making plays back in Houston.
Sorry, the receivers and QB were setting franchise records a year ago. A regression from one season to the next is about a lot more than messaging from a position coach. There's a reason guys like Larry Fitzgerald sought out Sullivan to help them develop.
Quote:So then you're saying Coughlin's time has passed as well...right? Because the product on the field said as much.
Coughlin bought a flat bill hat, so he's good.
Quote:That's a load of crap. I'm pretty sure all of Sullivan's success has come in "todays nfl".
No whats a load of crap. Is the fact of when posters like me. Are smart enough to see stuff.
And you refuse to say man I was wrong. Good job for being right. Like I was on both Marone and TC.
But you have too much pride to admit your mistakes. And an eager beaver to rag on others.
Quote:If he's not, I'm sure his sidekicks, Pookie and Banjo certainly have some insight.
Sorry, the receivers and QB were setting franchise records a year ago. A regression from one season to the next is about a lot more than messaging from a position coach. There's a reason guys like Larry Fitzgerald sought out Sullivan to help them develop.
One year and your point is what? How good is Fitz without his boy on the other side?
Is williamson an all pro?
Unbelievable.
"Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Quote:"Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
An excuse to brag and never take accountability. Gottcha.
Teal Time radio,
Your premise that a one year statistical regression is automatically and solely attributable to suddenly obsolete coaching methods is, frankly, a logical leap akin to broad jumping the Grand Canyon.
While I have not been on the Jaguars practice field to confirm this, I seriously doubt Sullivan's coaching methods changed much from 2015, when the receivers were statistically flourishing, to 2016, when the receivers statistically regressed. I know the rules of the NFL did not change in such a dramatic fashion in that time to render long established coaching methods obsolete. Would you care to elaborate on any specific coaching methods he has employed that are obsolete and why they are obsolete now? Why were presumably these same methods so successful in 2015?
Your premise falls apart when you examine Marquise Lee's stats.
While Hurns and Robinson had statistical regression last year (the reasons for which I will address later), Marqise Lee had a career best year receiving. To what do you attribute this? Presumably he received the same coaching as Hurns and Robinson under Sullivan. But perhaps you have information showing Sullivan employed effective, modern coaching methods with Lee that he neglected to utilize with Robinson and Hurns. If so, we'd all welcome the enlightenment.
I submit the statistical regression of AR15 and Hurns is attributable to far more than Sullivan's coaching methods. Hurns missed five games last year, (opposed to missing only one in 2015) which alone accounts for his drop in production. Robinson did not have injury to account for his drop in production. But a receiver can only be as productive as the QB getting him the ball. Bortles was clearly NOT the same guy we saw in his rookie year or 2015. Furthermore, opposing coaches had a year to see how the Jaguars utilized their receivers and adjusted their schemes accordingly. AR15 saw more press and double coverage, which would, generally speaking, result in fewer passes thrown his way. Olsen did not counteract this by moving AR 15 around the formation. This did not happen until Marrone became interim coach. Robinson's last two games were far more productive.
Quote:Teal Time radio,
Your premise that a one year statistical regression is automatically and solely attributable to suddenly obsolete coaching methods is, frankly, a logical leap akin to broad jumping the Grand Canyon.
While I have not been on the Jaguars practice field to confirm this, I seriously doubt Sullivan's coaching methods changed much from 2015, when the receivers were statistically flourishing, to 2016, when the receivers statistically regressed. I know the rules of the NFL did not change in such a dramatic fashion in that time to render long established coaching methods obsolete. Would you care to elaborate on any specific coaching methods he has employed that are obsolete and why they are obsolete now? Why were presumably these same methods so successful in 2015?
Your premise falls apart when you examine Marquise Lee's stats.
While Hurns and Robinson had statistical regression last year (the reasons for which I will address later), Marqise Lee had a career best year receiving. To what do you attribute this? Presumably he received the same coaching as Hurns and Robinson under Sullivan. But perhaps you have information showing Sullivan employed effective, modern coaching methods with Lee that he neglected to utilize with Robinson and Hurns. If so, we'd all welcome the enlightenment.
I submit the statistical regression of AR15 and Hurns is attributable to far more than Sullivan's coaching methods. Hurns missed five games last year, (opposed to missing only one in 2015) which alone accounts for his drop in production. Robinson did not have injury to account for his drop in production. But a receiver can only be as productive as the QB getting him the ball. Bortles was clearly NOT the same guy we saw in his rookie year or 2015. Furthermore, opposing coaches had a year to see how the Jaguars utilized their receivers and adjusted their schemes accordingly. AR15 saw more press and double coverage, which would, generally speaking, result in fewer passes thrown his way. Olsen did not counteract this by moving AR 15 around the formation. This did not happen until Marrone became interim coach. Robinson's last two games were far more productive.
Very valid points. But.... You act like he just joined us in 2015. How bout no.
What happened to all the receivers prior? Did they all stink with the best coaching?
Like I said it works in the short term. But McCardell will get more out of them now.
He joined us with Bradley, IIRC, in 2013.
We had no receivers in 2013.
Sorry, we had Blackmon for part of a year. He was already capable of being ultra productive, that is when he wasn't suspended.
Besides him, we had nothing at the position.
In 2014, we added Bortles, Lee, Robinson and Hurns. All were rookies catching passes from a disastrous Henne and a rookie QB. It often takes rookie WRs a season to adjust to the pro game. Blackmon was nowhere to be found.
In 2015, Robinson and Hurns had the Jaguars first 1000 yard receiving seasons since Jimmy Smith's final season a decade earlier.
Their failures to be out of the box, microwaveable All Pros at WR is not an indictment of Sullivan, either.
Now I may be convinced that Keenan McCardell is a better long term answer at WR coach than Sullivan would be at this point, but not because Sullivan's coaching methods are obsolete.
Quote:He joined us with Bradley, IIRC, in 2013.
We had no receivers in 2013.
Sorry, we had Blackmon for part of a year. He was already capable of being ultra productive, that is when he wasn't suspended.
Besides him, we had nothing at the position.
In 2014, we added Bortles, Lee, Robinson and Hurns. All were rookies catching passes from a disastrous Henne and a rookie QB. It often takes rookie WRs a season to adjust to the pro game. Blackmon was nowhere to be found.
In 2015, Robinson and Hurns had the Jaguars first 1000 yard receiving seasons since Jimmy Smith's final season a decade earlier.
Their failures to be out of the box, microwaveable All Pros at WR is not an indictment of Sullivan, either.
Now I may be convinced that Keenan McCardell is a better long term answer at WR coach than Sullivan would be at this point, but not because Sullivan's coaching methods are obsolete.
They are short term remedies. So look great for sullivan. But who else? We got the best we could of at that time.
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