Quote:However, if he is to be a long-term solution he is going to have basically a miraclulous tun around.
Here are the current NFL Head Coaches # of losses in first 2 seasons.
Gus Bradley- 22
Looks like Bradley is kicking butt
Quote:Looks like Bradley is kicking butt
He's certainly distinguishing himself.
Quote:If Bradley stays (and maybe he does), Khan will be forced to do something to keep fan interest in this team.
The crowd we saw yesterday was very telling of the current state of this fanbase.
Without thousands and thousands of opposing fans, the stadium is going to be half empty.
Trotting Gus out there again next year is not going to move the needle.
The offseason is going to be a tipping point for Khan's ownership of this team. He is going to almost be forced to open his wallet in free agency. And it has to be the top free agents. No more bargain hunting. It has to be names like Devin McCourty, Julius Thomas, KJ Wright.
Sorry to point this out SDR, but...
The "move the needle" argument was the same one voiced by the Tebow fans.
If the team sucks, it won't draw well. And this team sucks - well, 2/3 of it does. The 2/3 that Bradley wasn't brought in to fix.
And the 1/3 of the team that really sucks is the offense, which is due to poor QB play. This one I can't blame on the coaches, because Bradley is doing what we all asked him to do. He is letting Bortles go out and make his mistakes, and he has company in those mistakes with dropped balls and missed blocking assignments.
The person that I blame the most for the Jags actually doing worse than last year? Chad Henne. If he had performed half as well as he was supposed to, we'd have shown some marginal improvement. Instead, here we are, trying to match the 4 wins of last year by winning 2 of the last 3. I don't think it's going to happen.
I just can't get on the "fire Bradley" bandwagon. I don't think he's the problem. And I think Bullseye has voiced a good point in that even if Bradley isn't Super Bowl calibre, you can't adopt the Washington/Oakland coaching carousel system and build a winner.
We had one of the worst rosters ever when he took over this team. I'm not saying he's a great coach, but I think giving him one more year is fair based on what we have seen.
What this team needs to do is hit free agency, hit it hard and right in the mouth..
Quote:Sorry to point this out SDR, but...
The "move the needle" argument was the same one voiced by the Tebow fans.
If the team sucks, it won't draw well. And this team sucks - well, 2/3 of it does. The 2/3 that Bradley wasn't brought in to fix.
And the 1/3 of the team that really sucks is the offense, which is due to poor QB play. This one I can't blame on the coaches, because Bradley is doing what we all asked him to do. He is letting Bortles go out and make his mistakes, and he has company in those mistakes with dropped balls and missed blocking assignments.
The person that I blame the most for the Jags actually doing worse than last year? Chad Henne. If he had performed half as well as he was supposed to, we'd have shown some marginal improvement. Instead, here we are, trying to match the 4 wins of last year by winning 2 of the last 3. I don't think it's going to happen.
I just can't get on the "fire Bradley" bandwagon. I don't think he's the problem. And I think Bullseye has voiced a good point in that even if Bradley isn't Super Bowl calibre, you can't adopt the Washington/Oakland coaching carousel system and build a winner.
Maybe I'm [BLEEP] but I thought Head Coaches are responsible for the entire team, all 3/3? People who give Bradley a pass on his lack of leadership amaze me.
Quote:What is the lesser of 2 evils - keeping Fisch another year and potentially setting back or permanently harming the development of Bortles, or changing the offensive coordinator to an improvement, but having a break-in period of 4-6 weeks or so? The way I see it, if the new OC is good, any struggles with any new terminology would be temporary and unlike now, you'd actually see improvement over the course of the season. Just keeping Fisch here another year and praying things improve via familiarity is a risky, if suspect proposition. Fisch doesn't have this tremendous track record to make you believe that time will correct the current Jags struggles on offense.
Or, what if we hire a new OC, the team as a whole struggles much like this year, and Bradley and his entire staff are fired a year from now? Our young offense will (again) be in the position of learning a 3rd system in 3 years. Unless you're willing to give Bradley at least 4 years, the least riskiest move from the FO perspective is to give Bradley and his coordinators another year. If we're still this bad, you replace the entire coaching staff.
If another year of Fisch permanently stunts Bortles' development, he's not the franchise QB we need anyway.
Just like drafting, hiring new coordinates doesn't guarantee improvement.
Quote:<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Gus Bradley- 22
<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Ron Rivera- 19
<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Tom Coughlin- 19
<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Bill Belichick- 19
<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Pete Carroll- 18
<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Joe Philbin- 17
<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Andy Reid- 16
<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Lovie Smith- 16
<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Jason Garrett- 16
<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Doug Marrone- 15
<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Marc Trestman- 15
<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Sean Payton- 15
<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Ken Wisenhunt- 15
<p style="margin:0in 0in .0001pt;">Tony Sparano- 14
I reorganized the "worst" in terms of most losses in 2 years.
I suspect most of the board would be happy with Coughlin, Belichick, Carroll, or Reid, and a case could be made for Smith, Garrett, Philbin, Payton, and possibly Marrone (depending on how you think he's doing in Buffalo).
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Bradley
could turn it around. I don't know that he will, but it's not like history is really against him on this issue.
Quote:Or, what if we hire a new OC, the team as a whole struggles much like this year, and Bradley and his entire staff are fired a year from now? Our young offense will (again) be in the position of learning a 3rd system in 3 years. Unless you're willing to give Bradley at least 4 years, the least riskiest move from the FO perspective is to give Bradley and his coordinators another year. If we're still this bad, you replace the entire coaching staff.
If another year of Fisch permanently stunts Bortles' development, he's not the franchise QB we need anyway.
Just like drafting, hiring new coordinates doesn't guarantee improvement.
I reorganized the "worst" in terms of most losses in 2 years.
I suspect most of the board would be happy with Coughlin, Belichick, Carroll, or Reid, and a case could be made for Smith, Garrett, Philbin, Payton, and possibly Marrone (depending on how you think he's doing in Buffalo).
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Bradley could turn it around. I don't know that he will, but it's not like history is really against him on this issue.
Gus likely still has 2 or 3 more losses coming to him this season.
He's already way out ahead of those guys from a losses perspective and it's going to get worse.
Quote:What this team needs to do is hit free agency, hit it hard and right in the mouth..
Yea, nothing quite like overspending on a bunch of guys who weren't good enough to be resigned by their other teams.
Quote:Or, what if we hire a new OC, the team as a whole struggles much like this year, and Bradley and his entire staff are fired a year from now? Our young offense will (again) be in the position of learning a 3rd system in 3 years. Unless you're willing to give Bradley at least 4 years, the least riskiest move from the FO perspective is to give Bradley and his coordinators another year. If we're still this bad, you replace the entire coaching staff.
If another year of Fisch permanently stunts Bortles' development, he's not the franchise QB we need anyway.
Just like drafting, hiring new coordinates doesn't guarantee improvement.
I reorganized the "worst" in terms of most losses in 2 years.
I suspect most of the board would be happy with Coughlin, Belichick, Carroll, or Reid, and a case could be made for Smith, Garrett, Philbin, Payton, and possibly Marrone (depending on how you think he's doing in Buffalo).
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Bradley could turn it around. I don't know that he will, but it's not like history is really against him on this issue.
History isn't against him? I'm not saying it's absolutely impossible but of all currently employed NFL Head Coaches he would have to make the most drastic improvement following the worst 2 year start of anyone.
In other words, he has the asbolute worst odds of succeeding...
Quote:Yea, nothing quite like overspending on a bunch of guys who weren't good enough to be resigned by their other teams.
Do you really not see that the team has to spend money to fill these glaring weaknesses.
You say "a bunch of guys who weren't good enough to be resigned by their other teams".
I don't about you but I would take some of the free agents the veterans the Eagles have brought in the last two offseasons.
Connor Barwin and Malcolm Jenkins would look pretty good on this team right now, huh?
Quote:Yea, nothing quite like overspending on a bunch of guys who weren't good enough to be resigned by their other teams.
Sincerely,
Revis, Ward, Talib, Ware, Peppers, Sanders, Tate,Albert, Flowers, Smith SR.,Melton, Dansby, Whitner, Bethea
Quote:Yea, nothing quite like overspending on a bunch of guys who weren't good enough to be resigned by their other teams.
Sometimes a team just can't resign everyone.
Do you think Red Bryant and Chris Clemons weren't resigned by the Seahawks because they were incapable of contribution?
Quote:Gus likely still has 2 or 3 more losses coming to him this season.
He's already way out ahead of those guys from a losses perspective and it's going to get worse.
19 vs. 22? That's a difference of an extra 1.5 losses per season. 19 vs. 25 that's an extra 3 per season. There's a couple games this season that I can't put the blame on Gus for the loss (a blocked kick, for example), but that's a side issue. If multiple coaches can turn it around from just under 20 losses, it's not impossible, statistically or otherwise, to turn it around from 25.
Quote:History isn't against him? I'm not saying it's absolutely impossible but of all currently employed NFL Head Coaches he would have to make the most drastic improvement following the worst 2 year start of anyone.
In other words, he has the asbolute worst odds of succeeding...
I don't disagree with that (worst odds), but 3 of the worst 5 have won the Super Bowl. The only one of the top/worst 9 or 10 who would be an absolutely non-hire would be Ron Rivera. So the number of losses in the first two years does not really accurately predict head coaching failure.
I don't think Khan will fire Bradley anytime soon and I don't think anyone will force Bradley to fire any of his staff. I do think if the team doesn't win at least 7 games next year, Khan or Caldwell will probably fire Bradley and his staff.
Quote:19 vs. 22? That's a difference of an extra 1.5 losses per season. 19 vs. 25 that's an extra 3 per season. There's a couple games this season that I can't put the blame on Gus for the loss (a blocked kick, for example), but that's a side issue. If multiple coaches can turn it around from just under 20 losses, it's not impossible, statistically or otherwise, to turn it around from 25.
I don't disagree with that (worst odds), but 3 of the worst 5 have won the Super Bowl. The only one of the top/worst 9 or 10 who would be an absolutely non-hire would be Ron Rivera. So the number of losses in the first two years does not really accurately predict head coaching failure.
I don't think Khan will fire Bradley anytime soon and I don't think anyone will force Bradley to fire any of his staff. I do think if the team doesn't win at least 7 games next year, Khan or Caldwell will probably fire Bradley and his staff.
When you're talking about 16 game seasons, an extra 2 or 3 losses per season is a big difference.
Quote:When you're talking about 16 game seasons, an extra 2 or 3 losses per season is a big difference.
I think that depends on how many losses you have overall. 9-7 or 12-4? Absolutely.
2-14 or 5-11? Not so much.
Quote:I think that depends on how many losses you have overall. 9-7 or 12-4? Absolutely.
2-14 or 5-11? Not so much.
It's always a big difference.
Of course what's more concerning is the lack of progress.
By now the Jaguars should be starting to look like a team of guys that understand playing in the NFL. I'm not seeing enough of that.
Quote:I think that depends on how many losses you have overall. 9-7 or 12-4? Absolutely.
2-14 or 5-11? Not so much.
Coughlin was 4-12 and then 9-7 the next year.... Improvement.
Bill was 6-10 and then 7-9, 7-9 and then 11-5.
Gus... Was 4-12 and now 2-11... huge difference here. He could end up with 25 losses in his first 2 seasons.
Quote:I understand that....regardless of the situation, if Bradley is to stay longer it's going to be history making if he actually turns out to be good. Those are not odds I would ever bet on.
Well, we already made Jags history a couple weeks ago with the Giants game. So history making with Gus on the sidelines is possible.
Quote:Do you think Bradley will fire Fisch? Because I don't think Khan or Caldwell will override Bradley on the choice of his assistants. So if Fisch gets fired, it will be Bradley who will fire him. I don't think Bradley will fire Fisch.
Then Bradley needs to go too. You have to make those decisions when your team plays this poorly for this long. I don't see how Fisch should be brought back. The offenses continued ineptitude, particularly in the 2nd half, is something that should be unacceptable. I don't care how many rookies you're dealing with. This offensive system stunk from the get go.
He wasn't that good of an OC at Miami where he had talent to work with. He wasn't a good hire from day 1 and he should have been replaced after last year in my opinion.
I wish some of you were my boss. Perform poorly for two years running and you still don't need to worry about job security.