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For some reason Indianapolis has been a favored team in the league for a long time now.

They sucked until they got Manning in 98. Started winning in 99.  I see no conspiracy. Just a good QB. 

Quote:So which one? Caldwell? Polian? Irsay?

 

Why would any of them talk?

 

They are the only ones that know?   Any ex-wives or lovers with a tape recorder? And sure, I could see Caldwell talking.  Why not? 

 

I enjoy our banter, but this topic is laughable to me, so I may not continue for long.  Nothing personal. 

Yes. It is worth tanking IF there is someone on the board worth tanking for, otherwise, no. Don't believe me? Just look at the colts and andrew luck. Anyone who thinks they didn't tank some games to assure getting him lives in the land of unicorns and santa claus. Get real... the NFL is about m o n e y! People pay for winners, not losers. Were the Jags winners, Ron Jeremy wouldn't have put in cabanas, swimming pools, and the largest billboard/scoreboards.

 

Having said all that, 'tanking' is an intentional loss. The Jags have, for the most part, not needed to go out of their way to lose, so in many ways this is a needless discussion at this point. There is no one of such a game changing caliber in the up coming draft that would justify doing so anyway. In any case, at this point it appears that the raiders have a lock on the #1 pick unless they miraculously win out the rest of their season. Not likely. We need good, solid linemen, not scrubs, that can be had without the #1 pick. Further, I think that it has been said that Dave is going to use F/A a little bit more this time around to shore things up on the o-line until we can get and develop those quality draft picks. 

 

What the Jags gain by (hopefully) winning a few more games to end the season is a positive for our rookies. Winning tends to bred more winning, or so it is thought. It tends to boost self confidence... a good thing. If nothing else, it's a bone for the fans in what has been a pretty tough season to endure.

Quote:They sucked until they got Manning in 98. Started winning in 99.  I see no conspiracy. Just a good QB. 

 

They went to the AFC championship just a few years before that.

 

Yes, they had some lean years, but compared to the majority of the NFL they've had quite the run.


Still, you left off that the NFL let them off the hook when they jacked up the salary cap by about 40 million.

Quote:They went to the AFC championship just a few years before that.

 

Yes, they had some lean years, but compared to the majority of the NFL they've had quite the run.

Still, you left off that the NFL let them off the hook when they jacked up the salary cap by about 40 million.

 

When was that?

If u lose every game for multiple seasons, people stop showing up and your team leaves town

People always want to tank and I don't understand why. I see great players get drafted between picks 3 and 32 every year.


Andrew Luck? There are still clowns on this board who don't even think he is that good.


Clowney is an unknown at this point.

Fisher, I hear is struggling

Cam Newton is having a rough season.


Etc

Quote:When was that?

 

My memory is exaggerated. It apparently was about 16.5 million, or an increase of about 20% in one off season.

 

http://nflcommunications.com/2010/02/24/...alary-cap/

Quote:Yes. It is worth tanking IF there is someone on the board worth tanking for, otherwise, no. Don't believe me? Just look at the colts and andrew luck. Anyone who thinks they didn't tank some games to assure getting him lives in the land of unicorns and santa claus. Get real... the NFL is about m o n e y! People pay for winners, not losers. Were the Jags winners, Ron Jeremy wouldn't have put in cabanas, swimming pools, and the largest billboard/scoreboards.

 

Having said all that, 'tanking' is an intentional loss. The Jags have, for the most part, not needed to go out of their way to lose, so in many ways this is a needless discussion at this point. There is no one of such a game changing caliber in the up coming draft that would justify doing so anyway. In any case, at this point it appears that the raiders have a lock on the #1 pick unless they miraculously win out the rest of their season. Not likely. We need good, solid linemen, not scrubs, that can be had without the #1 pick. Further, I think that it has been said that Dave is going to use F/A a little bit more this time around to shore things up on the o-line until we can get and develop those quality draft picks. 

 

What the Jags gain by (hopefully) winning a few more games to end the season is a positive for our rookies. Winning tends to bred more winning, or so it is thought. It tends to boost self confidence... a good thing. If nothing else, it's a bone for the fans in what has been a pretty tough season to endure.

 

If you think the Colts tanked for Luck, then please explain why Polian and Caldwell both got fired. 

Quote:If you think the Colts tanked for Luck, then please explain why Polian and Caldwell both got fired. 

I really don't care the circumstances but if I can have P Manning and then tank and get A Luck and have a winning franchise for 2 decades then I will take that all day long!

Quote:If you think the Colts tanked for Luck, then please explain why Polian and Caldwell both got fired. 

 

Your argument is the logical equivalent of the chewbacca defense.

Tanking isn't a good idea.  There are exceptions to most rules of course, but I see no reason for us to do this.

Quote:If u lose every game for multiple seasons, people stop showing up and your team leaves town

That can't be true or people would have stopped coming to Jags games a long time ago

Quote:People always want to tank and I don't understand why. I see great players get drafted between picks 3 and 32 every year.


Andrew Luck? There are still clowns on this board who don't even think he is that good.


Clowney is an unknown at this point.

Fisher, I hear is struggling

Cam Newton is having a rough season.


Etc

Lol I love when people hate on Luck just because he's a Colt. Dude is a top 5 QB in his 3rd year.

Quote:Lol I love when people hate on Luck just because he's a Colt. Dude is a top 5 QB in his 3rd year.

I'm sure most Jags fans hated Manning with the Colts but I bet every one of us would have loved to have him as a Jaguar over the last decade plus.  Just like I dislike Luck because he's with the Colts but I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Quote:I'm sure most Jags fans hated Manning with the Colts but I bet every one of us would have loved to have him as a Jaguar over the last decade plus.  Just like I dislike Luck because he's with the Colts but I'd take him in a heartbeat.

There were people who said they wouldn't trade Bortles for Luck....

Quote:If you think the Colts tanked for Luck, then please explain why Polian and Caldwell both got fired. 

A possible explanation IF they conspired to tank, is that they got paid a little extra by their boss and didn't have the scruples to say no.

Quote:There were people who said they wouldn't trade Bortles for Luck....

 

im not sure what this proves

Quote:If you think the Colts tanked for Luck, then please explain why Polian and Caldwell both got fired. 

 

did the owner get fired too?  maybe Polian and Caldwell hoped to survive the horrible season and draft Luck.  But the fan backlash was too great to justify keeping that staff.

Quote:im not sure what this proves

How special some posters are...

 

I don't think the Colts tanked on purpose because players won't do it, but I think the Colts did what the Sixers are doing now... That is to put out an inferior team and even if they play hard, they will still lose. It's why they stuck with Painter and some other turd instead of looking for a better option. They knew they were going to be bad, did nothing about it, and ultimately got Luck.