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I've noticed he has altered his timing and mechanics to get the ball out faster. I guess it's a good and bad thing. One thing we need to do is change up the snap count so guys like JPP aren't coming around the corner at the snap of the ball. I've lost all hope that Lewis will ever be his Pro Bowl self again. No real security receiving threat is hurting. There was one play I thought he could have thrown the ball away instead of taking that 11 yard sack. Other then that, he didn't lose the game for us and was clutch when we needed a spark. He could still be great for us.

Quote:I've noticed he has altered his timing and mechanics to get the ball out faster. I guess it's a good and bad thing. One thing we need to do is change up the snap count so guys like JPP aren't coming around the corner at the snap of the ball. I've lost all hope that Lewis will ever be his Pro Bowl self again. No real security receiving threat is hurting. There was one play I thought he could have thrown the ball away instead of taking that 11 yard sack. Other then that, he didn't lose the game for us and was clutch when we needed a spark. He could still be great for us.

 

I thought his mechanics (release specifically) have gotten worse.  It seems he has a longer wind up that the D Linemen can react to and he's having a lot of balls batted down (more lately than earlier in the season).

 

I do agree with you on the snap count but it seems this team is far from "advanced" things like that.

 

I'm still hoping Bortles can be a franchise guy, we'll see!

Quote:Honest question - where do you find the game angles that allow you to see the WR's down the field? I really want to see them run their routes. Or were they wide open on short routes?

 

I have DVR and the routes I was watching were within the side camera angle's field of view.  The two open receivers that stood out both were in the slot and ran about 8 yards before they made their cuts.  I forgot which players were running the routes that I rewound and watched again.  This was in the middle of the 1st half when hope was at it's bleakest.

Quote:That's awesome, so what does he look like in person?  Can you see progression in person?

 

The dude looked much like Henne for the first 2-3 quarters then finally made some decent plays.

 

Call it what it is but playing decent at the end of 1 game does not constitue progression and he has definitely regressed over the last 4-6 games.

 

In my opinion, he's having a hard time progressing at least in part because of poor pass protection.    A rookie QB with rookie WRs is bad enough, but not having pass protection makes it really difficult.   We don't know what routes those WRs are supposed to be running, but with them being rookies, I imagine some of those routes are not run at a high level.  

 

Put Blake behind a good, veteran offensive line, with good, veteran WRs, and you would see him play a lot better and progress a lot faster.  

 

The encouraging thing is, when the game was on the line at the end, he produced.  On that last drive, on at least a couple of throws, he stuck the ball into some pretty small spaces to guys who looked like they were covered. 

Q: I know he is only a rookie, and I know he is playing for the Jaguars, but has Blake Bortles shown us ANYTHING this season that should lead us to believe he isn’t going to be a huge bust?



—Kevin, Long Island



 

Bill Simmons: The good news: You shouldn’t jump to conclusions with any rookie QB playing behind such an abysmal offensive line. The bad news: Bortles has tallied 15 picks, five fumbles and just eight passing TDs, along with an impossibly low 21.8 QBR. That’s really, really, really, really dreadful. Since 2006, only six qualifying QBs dipped under 25 QBR.



 

2013 Brandon Weeden: 24.7



 2007 Kellen Clemens: 22.3



 2011 Blaine Gabbert: 19.1



 2006 Andrew Walter: 17.4



 2009 JaMarcus Russell: 11.6



 2010 Jimmy Clausen: 11.0



 

(That’s a murderer’s row. Literally — they murdered seasons. What a terrible omen for the Blake Bortles era. But hey, at least Sammy Watkins and Khalil Mack weren’t the next two 2014 draft picks after Bortles.)



 

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-we...ing-picks/

IMO Bortles did not look very good. Especially in the 1st half,, he was missing throws, throwing into triple coverage, not making very good decisions.


He had a couple flashes. The scramble at the end was huge. No turnovers.


He looked like an average, game managing type QB. A QB like that doesn't have to be very good if he has a good defense that can win the game (just like yesterday).


I have a feeling that if the Jags are going to see a lot of success in the future,, it's going to be because of a stout/stellar defense, and an average offense that limits mistakes.

Quote:Q: I know he is only a rookie, and I know he is playing for the Jaguars, but has Blake Bortles shown us ANYTHING this season that should lead us to believe he isn’t going to be a huge bust?



—Kevin, Long Island



 

Bill Simmons: The good news: You shouldn’t jump to conclusions with any rookie QB playing behind such an abysmal offensive line. The bad news: Bortles has tallied 15 picks, five fumbles and just eight passing TDs, along with an impossibly low 21.8 QBR. That’s really, really, really, really dreadful. Since 2006, only six qualifying QBs dipped under 25 QBR.



 

2013 Brandon Weeden: 24.7



 2007 Kellen Clemens: 22.3



 2011 Blaine Gabbert: 19.1



 2006 Andrew Walter: 17.4



 2009 JaMarcus Russell: 11.6



 2010 Jimmy Clausen: 11.0



 

(That’s a murderer’s row. Literally — they murdered seasons. What a terrible omen for the Blake Bortles era. But hey, at least Sammy Watkins and Khalil Mack weren’t the next two 2014 draft picks after Bortles.)



 

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-we...ing-picks/

I do not like those stats at all but Blake still has 4 more games to turn it around. Hopefully he can continue to limit turnovers and lead scoring drives.

Quote:No turnovers not a lot of bad throws... what you think? and some key rushes.... thoughts?

The Defensive line crushed an Oline that was as bad as ours, but made worse when their RT went out (of course so did Paztor later on)...

The Jaguars DLine is the best in the league, problem is the DBs are one of the worst...

Aaron Colvin made the difference in the 2nd half by getting more play time.... he's way better than Gratz but rookies will make mistakes now and then..

 

FS Josh Evans for the most part is garbage, and Cyrpien has regressed a bit... need better play from the safeties...

 

JT Thomas makes more mistakes than Poz would but he's not a bad MILB.


Geno Hayes has adjusted nicely to the strong side & Smith is still getting tons of action.

 

but most of all


Clemons & especially ESPECIALLY  

#99  Marks

 

Is a beast!

Quote:IMO Bortles did not look very good. Especially in the 1st half,, he was missing throws, throwing into triple coverage, not making very good decisions.


He had a couple flashes. The scramble at the end was huge. No turnovers.


He looked like an average, game managing type QB. A QB like that doesn't have to be very good if he has a good defense that can win the game (just like yesterday).


I have a feeling that if the Jags are going to see a lot of success in the future,, it's going to be because of a stout/stellar defense, and an average offense that limits mistakes.

 

Unless Blake improves his decision making and his mechanics, we literally drafted a David Garrard-clone with the 3rd overall pick. Fortunately, he's still young and has plenty of time to improve both

Quote:The bad news: Bortles has tallied 15 picks, five fumbles and just eight passing TDs, along with an impossibly low 21.8 QBR. That’s really, really, really, really dreadful. Since 2006, only six qualifying QBs dipped under 25 QBR.[/font][/size]

2013 Brandon Weeden: 24.7

2007 Kellen Clemens: 22.3

2011 Blaine Gabbert: 19.1

2006 Andrew Walter: 17.4

2009 JaMarcus Russell: 11.6

2010 Jimmy Clausen: 11.0


(That’s a murderer’s row. Literally — they murdered seasons. What a terrible omen for the Blake Bortles era. But hey, at least Sammy Watkins and Khalil Mack weren’t the next two 2014 draft picks after Bortles.)


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WOW. I didn't realize his QBR was that bad. That really is a dreadful stat/thing to look at. It definitely doesn't point toward "elite" potential for the future.


Yes, I know,, bad o-line + rookies and 2nd year guys all over the offense does play a part in this. But, WOW, what a bad sign.


I guess we can really hope that they actually do build a beastly defense,, and Bortles is a good game manager that doesn't make mistakes,, and has the grit and will to make a play when needed at the end of games.

Funny how we went from

 

"OMG we finally have a GUNSLINGER!!!! We should put him in WEEK 1!!!!!!"

 

to

 

"Welp, we got ourselves a game manager if'n we can get that much out of him"

 

in all of 14 weeks.

 

Quote:Funny how we went from

 

"OMG we finally have a GUNSLINGER!!!! We should put him in WEEK 1!!!!!!"

 

to

 

"Welp, we got ourselves a game manager if'n we can get that much out of him"

 

in all of 14 weeks.

 

 

BB has been consistently regressing or stagnant at absolute best for the last 4-6 games.  That's a pretty well established trend unfortunately.

Quote:BB has been consistently regressing or stagnant at absolute best for the last 4-6 games.  That's a pretty well established trend unfortunately.

 

Annnnnnnnd you were expecting what? He's a rookie who the front office said shouldn't play this year. But hey, 8 games is plenty to make a decision for some folks.

Quote:Annnnnnnnd you were expecting what? He's a rookie who the front office said shouldn't play this year. But hey, 8 games is plenty to make a decision for some folks.

 

I'm double checkin my post but still don't see the word "decision."  I said trend and I quantified that with 4-6 games.  You can buy the Oehser Kool Aid/excuses if you want.  My point is that it should be concerning.  I do expect bad things out of a rookie but you should see flashes as well.  However, until the end of yesterday's game, we hadn't seen much of a spark out of BB.  I'm hoping to see more "sparks" in the last few games but if we don't then we should be even more concerned, rookie or not.

A huge problem for Bortles:


@ryanohalloran: Bortles against Giants blitz -- 5-of-10 for 31 yards, sacked five times. #Jaguars

Quote:A huge problem for Bortles:


@ryanohalloran: Bortles against Giants blitz -- 5-of-10 for 31 yards, sacked five times. #Jaguars

Problem for Blake and our offensive line.

 

He should get better at recognizing the blitz and then calling out line audibles in the off season though.

Obvious to most of us by now but...


@vitostellino: gus says some of blake's issues footwork issues like supposed to be 3 steps, takes 2 and throws off back foot.

@JohnOehser: Jaguars HC Gus Bradley said a lot of Blake Bortles issues this season have been footwork. Said when footwork is right he has been good.

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LOL

 

I should do that more.