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Quote:how many tackles does he make that a typical safety can't make?

 

how many big plays does he make?  how many FF, fumbles recovered, sacks, broken up passes has he made?

He has a ton of potential and certainly has some room for growth. Understand he isn't a world beater in his second year, but he just isn't as bad a SS as some believe.

 

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?a...&Submit=Go

Quote:Please Know what you are talking about and understand football before you question my assessment.

1. The only reason why he leads the team is because how much he has been on the field.  The normal leader for tackling are your LB's and if poz did not get hurt he would easily lead in this stat.  The LB crew has been changed up so many times nobody on there has played close to the amount of time as Cyprien.

 

2. On the run Cyprien is a Safety.  His job is to let nobody behind him.  He simply tried to make a play on the runner and again took a horrible angle.  He might be one of the worst open field tacklers I have every seen.  Horrible angle is his consistent specialty.

 

3. Cyprien is a liability in the run and passing game. He can't cover and is often out of position while he is a horrible tackler getting to the ball carrier.  In all he sucks

God? Am I really talking to the God of Football? I know you didn't just say don't question your assessment.

Ego much?

I see you have yet to answer my question, did the middle linebacker get pushed out of the play?

It's his job. A run right up the middle. Both linebackers started to overpursue and Foster made a slight cut back and

then both LB's were gently pushed aside.

Being a safetly does indeed mean he is to allow nobody behind him, but he also has coverage included in that phrase "let

nobody behind him." and he is making far too many tackles and the reason is not time on the field.

The reason is JT Thomas should not be wearing a professional uniform and playing Middle linebacker.

The middle linebackers primary job is to stuff the runner after the Marks and Company hold their ground, which they did.

You want to come and say Cyprien sucks because he has been burned all year in coverage, make the case,

But his primary job is not playing middle linebacker, and on the foster run the middle linebacker was primarily at fault.

lol why do you keep bringing up tackles?

 

We know he makes a ton of tackles.  Tackles don't mean anything.

 

Wali Rainer made a ton of tackles as a LB for us one year - it doesn't mean he was good or that he was doing his job very well.

 

He was gone the following year.

 

Cyprien needs to make impact plays and cut down on the missed tackles as well as cut down on the blown coverages.  If he doesn't, then we still haven't upgraded our safety position from the time we had Dawan Landry.

 

 

The whole point of letting Landry go was to upgrade the position.  2 years later, Landry is still better than anything we have at safety, which is sad because he's average at best.

He has been taking horrible angles all year. If anything, he isn't really all that bad in coverage but his run D is embarrassing.

Not competing, not getting better, not capitalizing on opportoonies. Zero scoops for Cyprien.

Quote:lol why do you keep bringing up tackles?

 

We know he makes a ton of tackles.  Tackles don't mean anything.

 

Wali Rainer made a ton of tackles as a LB for us one year - it doesn't mean he was good or that he was doing his job very well.

 

He was gone the following year.

 

Cyprien needs to make impact plays and cut down on the missed tackles as well as cut down on the blown coverages.  If he doesn't, then we still haven't upgraded our safety position from the time we had Dawan Landry.

 

 

The whole point of letting Landry go was to upgrade the position.  2 years later, Landry is still better than anything we have at safety, which is sad because he's average at best.

I wasn't making the point he was a good SS. Or that he was good in coverage or that he was even a spectacular tackler. My point was that a particular play was brought up as being his fault, and really it was the Linebacker's fault.  I agree Landry was better. Despite what some folks claim with teen cartoons I have no man crush on Cyprien, but for God's sake criticize him when warranted, not on a running play up the middle where the linebackers were breathed upon and folded.

Quote:I wasn't making the point he was a good SS. Or that he was good in coverage or that he was even a spectacular tackler. My point was that a particular play was brought up as being his fault, and really it was the Linebacker's fault.  I agree Landry was better. Despite what some folks claim with teen cartoons I have no man crush on Cyprien, but for God's sake criticize him when warranted, not on a running play up the middle where the linebackers were breathed upon and folded.

The play I was referencing wasn't up the middle, it was off tackle FWIW

Quote:how many tackles does he make that a typical safety can't make?

 

how many big plays does he make?  how many FF, fumbles recovered, sacks, broken up passes has he made?

You think Patrick Chung Strong safety NE is good?, he has 65 tackles, 0 forced fumbles, 0 fumble recoveries, 0 broken up passes.

How about Dawan landry ? 85 tackles,,0 forced fumbles,0 fumble recoveries, 0 sacks, 0 broken up passes

Not everyone has flashy numbers in fumbles and Interceptions, the league leader has 5 Int, and most safeties have 1 or 2, and some 0.

But, a lot are saying Cyp takes bad angles and whiffs on runners, or is getting run over, and if that is the case then he has an extraordinary knack of being near the ball, because he is #4 in the league in tackles with 90, with better numbers than Chung, Landry, Woodson, Earl Thomas....... Combined with Josh Evans the two of them have more secondary tackles than any team in the league.

That is what I am talking about, they are doing more of the linebackers jobs because our LB's suck. Runners break our line, the linebackers miss, and then it's up to Evans and Cyp to stop it after 7-8 yards has been gained, and you might see more whiffs because they are doing more tackling in space than anyone else in football. The stats don't lie. All the average fan sees is one of them covering up for a LB miss, and if they miss also.... well you get threads like this.

 

When reality is you have a 2nd year man #4 in the league in tackling for secondary players. That's not a bust.

If we get some Linebackers to take some of the abuse being leveled at Cyp and Evans, maybe they can devote more time to learning the coverage game as well. Telvin Smith, who seems to be the Darling of the week has 65 tackles, Cyp has 90.

Neither has a sack, Int, or caused a fumble. We have a nice D-line, when our LB's can tackle more than our safeties, then our Defense will be special.

Quote:You think Patrick Chung Strong safety NE is good?, he has 65 tackles, 0 forced fumbles, 0 fumble recoveries, 0 broken up passes.

How about Dawan landry ? 85 tackles,,0 forced fumbles,0 fumble recoveries, 0 sacks, 0 broken up passes

Not everyone has flashy numbers in fumbles and Interceptions, the league leader has 5 Int, and most safeties have 1 or 2, and some 0.

But, a lot are saying Cyp takes bad angles and whiffs on runners, or is getting run over, and if that is the case then he has an extraordinary knack of being near the ball, because he is #4 in the league in tackles with 90, with better numbers than Chung, Landry, Woodson, Earl Thomas....... Combined with Josh Evans the two of them have more secondary tackles than any team in the league.

That is what I am talking about, they are doing more of the linebackers jobs because our LB's suck. Runners break our line, the linebackers miss, and then it's up to Evans and Cyp to stop it after 7-8 yards has been gained, and you might see more whiffs because they are doing more tackling in space than anyone else in football. The stats don't lie. All the average fan sees is one of them covering up for a LB miss, and if they miss also.... well you get threads like this.

 

When reality is you have a 2nd year man #4 in the league in tackling for secondary players. That's not a bust.

If we get some Linebackers to take some of the abuse being leveled at Cyp and Evans, maybe they can devote more time to learning the coverage game as well. Telvin Smith, who seems to be the Darling of the week has 65 tackles, Cyp has 90.

Neither has a sack, Int, or caused a fumble. We have a nice D-line, when our LB's can tackle more than our safeties, then our Defense will be special.

Who are you talking about?

consistently blows his assignment as the last man to get by, over runs plays, does NOTHING in pass coverage

 

waive him

Not sure if I'd call him a bust yet but he's given up some huge plays.


Not good in pass coverage and even though he has a lot of tackles he misses a lot of routine ones

The guy plays like a 5th round pick not a 33rd overall pick.  He sucks.  Could be easily upgraded with most teams backups.

He's only good at showing off his biceps that he works so hard to get in the weight room.

Quote:Not sure if I'd call him a bust yet but he's given up some huge plays.

Not good in pass coverage and even though he has a lot of tackles he misses a lot of routine ones

All that you said sure sounds like a bust on somebody taken 1st in the 2nd round.

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http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?a...&Submit=Go

 

Our starting safeties have a total of zero point zero interceptions and zero point zero passes defensed?


 

Can we please have Reggie Nelson back?

Quote:Our starting safeties have a total of zero point zero interceptions and zero point zero passes defensed?


Can we please have Reggie Nelson back?

Can we not run Cyprien out of town too early like we did with Reggie Nelson?

"Looking at Cyprien’s stat line from Sunday: eight tackles, no sacks, no interceptions, no pass breakups, no forced fumbles, no quarterback hits. In other words, no impact plays from the player the Jaguars selected in the second round in 2013 to be the defense’s Kam Chancellor. It shouldn’t be surprising, though, because Cyprien has made just four impact plays all season: one pass breakup, three tackles for loss. No sacks, no interceptions, no quarterback pressure, no forced fumbles, no fumble recoveries. Rookie cornerback Aaron Colvin has played three games and has one pass breakup, one quarterback pressure, and a fumble return for a touchdown. ..."

 

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars

 

No one is saying to get rid of him.


We are saying he should get legitimate competition next year for his starting job. Keep him on the roster, he doesn't cost that much.

Quote:Who are you talking about?

I am talking about Cyprien. Did you just get to this "cyprien a bust" Thread and got confused?

If you are asking who I am talking To, it's to anyone that says he is a 2nd year bust.

His numbers don't show a bust at all. He has nearly the same stats as Patrick Chung, Dawan Landry,  better than Rod Woodson, better than Reggie Nelson, Better than Earle Thomas, better than most Strong safeties in the league.

Patick Chung doesn't have an Interception or pass defensed or a fumble caused, and his and Cyprien numbers are

interchangeable. I don't think anyone with a brain is calling Chung a bust, or Earle Thomas a bust.

 

The main complaint seems to be he doesn't have Interceptions. Well look at safeties across the board in this league and they might have one or two. Pass defensed, for the most part the same thing,only a couple safeties has double digit pass defensed, and a lot of that is because people are throwing at them. Teams just run all over us.

So big deal, he has no interceptions, he is the top tackler on the team, ranked #4 in the NFL, and he gets threads saying he is a bust.

 

Cyprien is not a cornerback, he is not being burned on pass after pass, for the most part his job has been support against the run and backing up a really bad group of linebackers, and then also asked to cover.

Someone said, "so he makes tackles, so what ?", is that serious? Strong safeties are expected to tackle a lot and he does.

I think if Poz was back, then Cyprien has the confidence to roam more, to try to double up on receivers and get an INT, but he has his hands full making the majority of tackles on defense right now.

I dare say if Darius was the top tackler on the team, and had no Interceptions, there would be nothing but glowing praise on how DD really is helping out the backup linebackers we have in place.

I am not saying he is all pro, or that his game doesn't need improvement, but he is

not as bad as a lot are saying, especially for a 2nd year player.

Quote:"Looking at Cyprien’s stat line from Sunday: eight tackles, no sacks, no interceptions, no pass breakups, no forced fumbles, no quarterback hits. In other words, no impact plays from the player the Jaguars selected in the second round in 2013 to be the defense’s Kam Chancellor. It shouldn’t be surprising, though, because Cyprien has made just four impact plays all season: one pass breakup, three tackles for loss. No sacks, no interceptions, no quarterback pressure, no forced fumbles, no fumble recoveries. Rookie cornerback Aaron Colvin has played three games and has one pass breakup, one quarterback pressure, and a fumble return for a touchdown. ..."

 

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars

 

Cyprien is NOT a cornerback. OMG. He is mostly playing run support. He had 5 tackles Sunday, JT thomas had 5, Telvin Smith had 5.

Quote:Cyprien is NOT a cornerback. OMG. He is mostly playing run support. He had 5 tackles Sunday, JT thomas had 5, Telvin Smith had 5.

 

Players other than cornerbacks are allowed to break up passes and even intercept them.

 

Cyprien hasn't caused or recovered a single fumble.  He doesn't have a single sack.

 

He's made a lot of tackles, but he's also missed a ton.

 

He needs serious competition.

 

The SS position needs to be upgraded.  Whether it's upgraded by Cyprien actually improving - or us getting a new guy in there to do a better job, I don't really care.