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You can't judge his performance based on tv viewing. The cameramen stay with the qb and the ball. You don't get to see how open or covered the receivers are. So there is no way of telling if he was bogged down by rookie wideouts or just playing poorly. If you listen to him, he says it's his fault. But I don't think he is one to throw anyone under the bus nor should he really know just what it's supposed to look like (a professional wide receiver getting open).


Also, not having a go-to TE is a huge detriment to this offense.


Blake will be fine.

Quote:You can't judge his performance based on tv viewing. The cameramen stay with the qb and the ball. You don't get to see how open or covered the receivers are. So there is no way of telling if he was bogged down by rookie wideouts or just playing poorly. If you listen to him, he says it's his fault. But I don't think he is one to throw anyone under the bus nor should he really know just what it's supposed to look like (a professional wide receiver getting open).


Also, not having a go-to TE is a huge detriment to this offense.


Blake will be fine.

Agreed. People don't realize how hard it is for a qb to constantly have to complete passes to the outside numbers. With no middle threat, they really are asking him to do a lot. 

Quote:Exactly. We need to stop with the Peyton comparisons. "Well Peyton almost threw some picks..." Yeah, well Peyton also throws over 50 TDs and 5000 yds with VERY few picks. No more Petyon comparisons. We have a rookie who is playing poorly and is an unknown at this time. Yes, it appears he has a good upside, but it's not a guarantee. Kid simply needs to play better.


I've got a guarantee for everyone comparing him to Peyton. Blake will never be as good as Peyton. Guaranteed.

There really is no way to compare Bortles to Manning as rookies. I'm in no way saying Bortles will be anything like him but FWIW Manning threw all of those picks with Marvin Harrison coming into his third year and Marshall Faulk in the back field. I'm sure Blake would love to have established talent like that around him.

We all clamored to start Blake and we are getting what we asked for, which is to be expected. Rookies, especially rookie QBs are going to and will make mistakes. If you thought he would come out and play lights out the whole season then you aren't dealing in reality. Sad to see fans call him a bust or want to bench him when the kid doesn't even have an entire rookie season under his belt. Some of you who post on here seriously make me wonder how long you have been watching professional football. The kid has flashed and even his worse games have been much better than what we were getting from our QB play in the past.

Quote:He was really bad.  No more excuses, time for him to step it up.

 

Yea, no more excuses for a rookie QB learning the NFL game.  

Quote:And there we already have the "other qb's throw INT's", and the now extremely routine Peyton Manning comparison. Didn't take long.

 

No one cares what other qb's did or didnt do, we care about what ours is doing. 

 

That's not entirely fair, SD. The argument was even the best quarterbacks, playing right now...just this past weekend in fact, had 2-3 passes that by rights should have been interceptions but weren't for whatever reason. Translation: Every QB deals with these just like they deal with drops. Neither should factor heavily into the evaluation of a QB prospect. As I see it, it's creative interpretation of a phantom stat to justify an otherwise shaky argument in this case.

 

Does Blake need to play better? Of course he does. He has to improve, but to lambaste him for near-picks (as some have done) is somewhat disingenuous imo. You wanna fry him for his actual interception (which was awful regardless of how you look at it)? Go right ahead but to do so over what almost was is dicey.

Quote:We all clamored to start Blake - (No, not all of us) and we are getting what we asked for, which is to be expected. Rookies, especially rookie QBs are going to and will make mistakes. If you thought he would come out and play lights out the whole season then you aren't dealing in reality. Sad to see fans call him a bust or want to bench him - (huh?  Who? besides the trolls) when the kid doesn't even have an entire rookie season under his belt. Some of you who post on here seriously make me wonder how long you have been watching professional football. The kid has flashed and even his worse games have been much better than what we were getting from our QB play in the past - (That's just simply not the truth).

Quote:Agreed. People don't realize how hard it is for a qb to constantly have to complete passes to the outside numbers. With no middle threat, they really are asking him to do a lot. 

Speaking of numbers, I think we're all overlooking the fact that many of his key targets have numbers in the teens, and as we've already seen well established here, that spells doom.  We need more receivers wearing jerseys in the 80s. 

82 would be nice

Blake has the same amount of TDs this season as Cam Newton and Andy Dalton right now.

Quote:Exactly.  We need to stop with the Peyton comparisons.  "Well Peyton almost threw some picks..."  Yeah, well Peyton also throws over 50 TDs and 5000 yds with VERY few picks.  No more Petyon comparisons.  We have a rookie who is playing poorly and is an unknown at this time.  Yes, it appears he has a good upside, but it's not  a guarantee.  Kid simply needs to play better.

 

I've got a guarantee for everyone comparing him to Peyton.  Blake will never be as good as Peyton.  Guaranteed.

 

Peyton has thrown for over 5000 yrds once in his career.  Calm down there.  In Peyton's rookie year starting all 16 games he threw 26 TD's, 28 INT's, and had a 6.5 yard per attempt average.

 

You can call it crap all you want, but the comparison is there.  You don't know what Blake will end up being.  He could be a bust, or he could be the best QB of his generation.  Sure he needs to play better.  But I'll tell you one thing, since he's started we have been in every single game when the 4th quarter started.  We couldn't say that last year.  The ball is moving, but in spurts.  That's going to happen with a young offense.

 

Now on to the Peyton comparison (which is valid no matter how many people here will tell you it isn't):

 

In Peyton's first 6 starts he threw 14 picks, 6 TD's, and 6.5 yard per attempt.  Peyton's first 6 starts he threw 1364 yards.  In Peyton's first 6 starts he took 11 sacks.  In Peyton's first 6 starts he ran 6 times for 33 yards and 0 rushing TD's.

 

In Blake's first 6 starts he's thrown 11 picks, 6 TD's, and 6.5 yard per attempt.  Blake's first 6 starts he's thrown 1408 yards.  In Blake's first 6 starts he's taken 18 sacks.  In Blake's first 6 starts he's run 29 times for 171 yards (5.9 ypr) and 0 rushing TD's.

 

If you think that's not a remarkable comparison then you're simply refusing to look at the facts. Not to mention Blake's overall yard production (1579 total combined yards - 263 per game passing and rushing) is better than Manning (1397 total combined yards - 232 per game passing and rushing).

 

I know you can cherry pick different QB's rookie seasons to compare them or whatever.  But the comparison is valid and it's there.  As much as you don't like to hear it, so far Blake has had almost exactly the same type of rookie year, except for rushing, that Manning had.  

 

Even in the last 10 games of his rookie year Peyton threw more TD's than INT's only 4 times.  4 out of 10 games.

 

So cool your cheeks there.  Blake's learning.  Just like Manning did.  Just like every other rookie QB needs to do.  Just like every Hall of Fame QB had to do.

 

Sources:

 

Peyton: http://www.nfl.com/player/peytonmanning/...eason=1998

Blake: http://www.nfl.com/player/blakebortles/2543477/gamelogs

This couldn't be ask in the countless other BB5 threads?

Quote:Peyton has thrown for over 5000 yrds once in his career.  Calm down there.  In Peyton's rookie year starting all 16 games he threw 26 TD's, 28 INT's, and had a 6.5 yard per attempt average.

 

You can call it crap all you want, but the comparison is there.  You don't know what Blake will end up being.  He could be a bust, or he could be the best QB of his generation.  Sure he needs to play better.  But I'll tell you one thing, since he's started we have been in every single game when the 4th quarter started.  We couldn't say that last year.  The ball is moving, but in spurts.  That's going to happen with a young offense.

 

Now on to the Peyton comparison (which is valid no matter how many people here will tell you it isn't):

 

In Peyton's first 6 starts he threw 14 picks, 6 TD's, and 6.5 yard per attempt.  Peyton's first 6 starts he threw 1364 yards.  In Peyton's first 6 starts he took 11 sacks.  In Peyton's first 6 starts he ran 6 times for 33 yards and 0 rushing TD's.

 

In Blake's first 6 starts he's thrown 11 picks, 6 TD's, and 6.5 yard per attempt.  Blake's first 6 starts he's thrown 1408 yards.  In Blake's first 6 starts he's taken 18 sacks.  In Blake's first 6 starts he's run 29 times for 171 yards (5.9 ypr) and 0 rushing TD's.

 

If you think that's not a remarkable comparison then you're simply refusing to look at the facts. Not to mention Blake's overall yard production (1579 total combined yards - 263 per game passing and rushing) is better than Manning (1397 total combined yards - 232 per game passing and rushing).

 

I know you can cherry pick different QB's rookie seasons to compare them or whatever.  But the comparison is valid and it's there.  As much as you don't like to hear it, so far Blake has had almost exactly the same type of rookie year, except for rushing, that Manning had.  

 

Even in the last 10 games of his rookie year Peyton threw more TD's than INT's only 4 times.  4 out of 10 games.

 

So cool your cheeks there.  Blake's learning.  Just like Manning did.  Just like every other rookie QB needs to do.  Just like every Hall of Fame QB had to do.

 

Sources:

 

Peyton: http://www.nfl.com/player/peytonmanning/...eason=1998

Blake: http://www.nfl.com/player/blakebortles/2543477/gamelogs

Good God, enough!  Blake isn't Peytong.  He never will be, ever.  Peyton is perhaps the greatest QB ever to play the game and this desperate fanbase sees he had a [BLEEP] rookie season, just like Blake, and all of a sudden we have created ridiculous expectations.  Stop wasting your key strokes on this one.

Quote:Good God, enough!  Blake isn't Peytong.  He never will be, ever.  Peyton is perhaps the greatest QB ever to play the game and this desperate fanbase sees he had a [BAD WORD REMOVED] rookie season, just like Blake, and all of a sudden we have created ridiculous expectations.  Stop wasting your key strokes on this one.

 

I'm pretty sure nobody is saying Blake Bortles is like Peytong because he threw a bunch of pics like Peytong did.  

His ceiling is Big Ben, his floor is Byron Leftwich.  where he will be on the spectrum between those two NOBODY KNOWS.

Quote:Good God, enough!  Blake isn't Peytong.  He never will be, ever.  Peyton is perhaps the greatest QB ever to play the game and this desperate fanbase sees he had a [BAD WORD REMOVED] rookie season, just like Blake, and all of a sudden we have created ridiculous expectations.  Stop wasting your key strokes on this one.

 

Again, you can be ignorant all you want.  My point was, which you failed to see, Blake is learning the game just like Peyton did.  And again, you don't know if Bortles doesn't turn out to be the greatest QB of all time.  Sure it's not likely, but you simply don't know that.  

 

I think there were a lot of people who at this point in 1998 were calling people crazy for saying that Peyton could end up being one of the better QB's in the league.

Let's pump the brakes on the Manning comparisons.  Yeah, he threw a ton of interceptions as a rookie.  But, he also through more touchdowns in that season than any Jaguar QB in the history of the franchise.  Bortles isn't exactly lighting it up in the TD department. 

 

What I find rather entertaining about those who are being most critical of Bortles is that these are the same people who were howling for the team to put him in, and ripping them for waiting until they felt the time was right.  This is what you get when you put a rookie QB out there.  Mistakes happen. 

Peyton Manning would have ended up working somewhere in Omaha if he continued to play like the rookie Peyton Manning...

Quote:Let's pump the brakes on the Manning comparisons.  Yeah, he threw a ton of interceptions as a rookie.  But, he also through more touchdowns in that season than any Jaguar QB in the history of the franchise.  Bortles isn't exactly lighting it up in the TD department. 

 

What I find rather entertaining about those who are being most critical of Bortles is that these are the same people who were howling for the team to put him in, and ripping them for waiting until they felt the time was right.  This is what you get when you put a rookie QB out there.  Mistakes happen. 

Exactly!

Quote:Let's pump the brakes on the Manning comparisons.  Yeah, he threw a ton of interceptions as a rookie.  But, he also through more touchdowns in that season than any Jaguar QB in the history of the franchise.  Bortles isn't exactly lighting it up in the TD department. 

 

What I find rather entertaining about those who are being most critical of Bortles is that these are the same people who were howling for the team to put him in, and ripping them for waiting until they felt the time was right.  This is what you get when you put a rookie QB out there.  Mistakes happen. 

 

better that he has a chance to learn from his mistakes now than a year from now when we're supposed to "compete"

 

you can only learn so much from sitting on the bench