Quote:Exactly. We need to stop with the Peyton comparisons. "Well Peyton almost threw some picks..." Yeah, well Peyton also throws over 50 TDs and 5000 yds with VERY few picks. No more Petyon comparisons. We have a rookie who is playing poorly and is an unknown at this time. Yes, it appears he has a good upside, but it's not a guarantee. Kid simply needs to play better.
I've got a guarantee for everyone comparing him to Peyton. Blake will never be as good as Peyton. Guaranteed.
As said in a previous response to you - I agree that the Peyton comparisons are poor right now because Peyton also threw a lot of TD's his rookie year, but I have to disagree in that Peyton didn't throw a lot of picks. It took Peyton years before his INT number settled down to the perennially low INT numbers we see now. For Peyton's first bunch of years in the pro's he was prone to the INT. Again, but he put up so many TD numbers it didn't matter.
Some of the people seem to be making too much of the INT. I mean, what do you want? - a game manager thats afraid to take chances??? The only issue with Blake right now is the TD percentage needs to go up.
Look at many of the great QB over the past several decades, they all were prone to the INT at times, i,e. Favre, Manning, Manning, Bradshaw, Marino, Namath, Elway, Luck, and so on....
Brady and Aaron Rodgers are pretty much the outliers in that they throw a lot of TD and don't throw a lot of INT's.
As said, gimme a QB like Blake who is willing to take chances over any game manager, conservative type anyday. The QB who is afraid/ unwilling to make that risky throw most likely isn't going to be going far in the playoffs in this league.
Quote:So completing 70% of your passes for over 330 yards doesn't count as a "great" game to your standards?
That's a great game for any QB as long as there wasn't a bunch on INTs.
He only had 1 INT that game so that has to be considered a great game for BB.
Quote:We will never really know if sitting BBs this year would have benefited him or not, because the Jags just didn't have a QB good enough to keep the rookie on the bench for the whole year, as was supposed to be the plan.
This is really the truth. Jags brass were really in a tough spot. On the one hand, they knew when they drafted him that he was raw and needed to sit for a year. On the other hand, how can they really put that product on the field for an entire year and expect anything less than a complete nuclear-level melt down from this fanbase? I'm glad i didn't have to make that choice. Edit: No i'm not, pay me millions and I'll gladly make it!
Quote:This is really the truth. Jags brass were really in a tough spot. On the one hand, they knew when they drafted him that he was raw and needed to sit for a year. On the other hand, how can they really put that product on the field for an entire year and expect anything less than a complete nuclear-level melt down from this fanbase? I'm glad i didn't have to make that choice. Edit: No i'm not, pay me millions and I'll gladly make it!
They really had NO choice.
It was 30-0 AT THE HALF!!!! And the fans were going to leave in droves.
You HAVE to replace an ineffective QB and Henne was actually less then ineffective out there.
Henne was 4 of 7 for 33 yds at the half. My GOD those are worse then Gabbert numbers.
They had NO choice but to put BBs in.
Quote:Good God, enough! Blake isn't Peytong. He never will be, ever. Peyton is perhaps the greatest QB ever to play the game and this desperate fanbase sees he had a [BAD WORD REMOVED] rookie season, just like Blake, and all of a sudden we have created ridiculous expectations. Stop wasting your key strokes on this one.
Hey look, the lack of reading comprehension on this board has once again reared it's moronic head.
NO ONE has said Bortles will have the same type of career as Manning. NO ONE has said Bortles will be as good as Manning. NO ONE has said that Bortles is expected the be as good as Manning.
The Manning comparison has been made to show one point and one point only (see if you and the other like you can wrap your head around it):
If one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game had a rookie season similar to Bortles, then it is FAR TOO SOON to start calling Bortles a bust; it is FAR TOO SOON to say Bortles has reached his ceiling, and it is FAR TOO SOON to say that Bortles will never improve.
That's it. That's all anyone is saying. Bortles might be a bust, he might not. But it's TOO EARLY TO TELL.
And clamoring that "Bortles has to improve" isn't proving anything. No crap Sherlock, everyone is well aware of the fact that Bortles has to play better. For all the insightful intelligence of that commentary, you might as well follow it up by clamoring that water is wet.
I wonder how many of those "Almost INTs" would have went unnoticed if Blake hadn't thrown many Interceptions this year.
Quote:Hey look, the lack of reading comprehension on this board has once again reared it's moronic head.
NO ONE has said Bortles will have the same type of career as Manning. NO ONE has said Bortles will be as good as Manning. NO ONE has said that Bortles is expected the be as good as Manning.
The Manning comparison has been made to show one point and one point only (see if you and the other like you can wrap your head around it):
If one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game had a rookie season similar to Bortles, then it is FAR TOO SOON to start calling Bortles a bust; it is FAR TOO SOON to say Bortles has reached his ceiling, and it is FAR TOO SOON to say that Bortles will never improve.
That's it. That's all anyone is saying. Bortles might be a bust, he might not. But it's TOO EARLY TO TELL.
And clamoring that "Bortles has to improve" isn't proving anything. No crap Sherlock, everyone is well aware of the fact that Bortles has to play better. For all the insightful intelligence of that commentary, you might as well follow it up by clamoring that water is wet.
who said Bortles is a bust?
Quote:I wonder how many of those "Almost INTs" would have went unnoticed if Blake hadn't thrown many Interceptions this year.
Why would ANY of them go unnoticed? I horrible throw is a horrible throw. Doesnt matter what the name is on the back of the jersey.
Good thing about Blake: I like what he does in two minute drills and when we NEED to move the ball. He just hasn't "finished" some of those drives because he makes a bad decision or bad throw.
Quote:As said in a previous response to you - I agree that the Peyton comparisons are poor right now because Peyton also threw a lot of TD's his rookie year,
Like was pointed out before, rookie Peyton Manning in the same amount of games Bortles has played so far would not have thrown any more touchdowns than Bortles. You'd have to tack on 2.5 games from Bortles' next season before that becomes a valid argument.
Here is Peyton's
rookie season by the way. This came in handy Gabbert's rookie season as well. :whistling:
Quote:Hey look, the lack of reading comprehension on this board has once again reared it's moronic head.
NO ONE has said Bortles will have the same type of career as Manning. NO ONE has said Bortles will be as good as Manning. NO ONE has said that Bortles is expected the be as good as Manning.
The Manning comparison has been made to show one point and one point only (see if you and the other like you can wrap your head around it):
If one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game had a rookie season similar to Bortles, then it is FAR TOO SOON to start calling Bortles a bust; it is FAR TOO SOON to say Bortles has reached his ceiling, and it is FAR TOO SOON to say that Bortles will never improve.
That's it. That's all anyone is saying. Bortles might be a bust, he might not. But it's TOO EARLY TO TELL.
And clamoring that "Bortles has to improve" isn't proving anything. No crap Sherlock, everyone is well aware of the fact that Bortles has to play better. For all the insightful intelligence of that commentary, you might as well follow it up by clamoring that water is wet.
Ok, so you're gonna call me out on reading comprehension and intelligence, yet you obviously didn't read thru all my posts. Thanks for underlining the obvious, if you hadn't done that i neve would have been able to understand it. Also the caps. If you re-read everything i've posted, you'll realize i'm agreeing with everything you just said (which is obvious, sherlock) and that i just don't like using the Peyton reference. Obviously he threw interceptions and obviously he turned out well. I've heard the same comparison around here for weeks now. I don't like it. I think it's silly that he's the one outlier that everyone brings up. I could do the same, but i'd rather watch Blake be Blake. But throw some more insults my way why don't you?
And BTW, while we're talking about reading comprehension, which you so eloquently bash the board for, who's calling Blake a bust? Or reached his ceiling? Lol...
And while we're at it, water is actually not wet. Carry on.
Quote:So completing 70% of your passes for over 330 yards doesn't count as a "great" game to your standards?
Not really. He got out dueled by Charlie Whitehurst man. Im mean that was his best game but we still lost to a sorry Titans team when mostly everyone thought we were gonna win. When I say great game I'm talking about him putting the team on his back to a win.
Quote:Not really. He got out dueled by Charlie Whitehurst man. Im mean that was his best game but we still lost to a sorry Titans team when mostly everyone thought we were gonna win. When I say great game I'm talking about him putting the team on his back to a win.
That loss was a special kind of bad where the head coach wasted the timeout that might have helped win the game on a challenge that stood no chance of succeeding and then put the outcome of the game in the hands of the field goal team, which has proven to be very bad this season.
Quote:who said Bortles is a bust?
Holy Toledo, I'd hope no one said something that stupid.
He's had 6 starts....and really has played pretty much like one would expect a rookie starting QB to play.
Quote:Holy Toledo, I'd hope no one said something that stupid.
He's had 6 starts....and really has played pretty much like one would expect a rookie starting QB to play.
You'll have to ask jagfanthrutherottenyears. He has really good reading comprehension. He likes to put others down based on their reading comprehension.
Objectively watch other QBs this week and tell me they don't throw balls that are almost picked. They all have passes that "should've been picked". And the complaints that Hurns had to make an adjustment to make the 40 yard TD catch is hilarious. That is what a WR is supposed to do. You're rarely going to have an uncontested play on a deep ball at the goal line in the NFL. I think our receivers are going to be good but most of the DBs in the league are better than our rookie WRs at this point which is why they're never open.
Well, speaking only about this past Sunday... there was no separation with the WRs.
Just about every ball he threw was forced and/or was thrown to a guy who was covered.
It's a no win situation with fans. Try to make something happen, or hold onto the ball like the last several QBs we've had back there.
I'd rather he take his shots, personally and not play scared.
Quote:Not really. He got out dueled by Charlie Whitehurst man. Im mean that was his best game but we still lost to a sorry Titans team when mostly everyone thought we were gonna win. When I say great game I'm talking about him putting the team on his back to a win.
So the difference between Blake having a great game and being "out dueled by Charlie Whitehurst man" is Scobee's game-winning kick being blocked. Pro tip: it ain't. This is a great example of why wins and losses don't matter right now.
And understand they (coaches, GM and Khan) knew this was going to be the result. Khan said it himself coming off the elevator that fateful day at Everbank Field Bortles started the second half and begin his career here in Jacksonville. He said "I'm happy because I have seen the future." It's not about right now.
It's about next year, which is the deadline they set for themselves. I think they are on pace for that timetable, as evidenced by how good the D has developed along with the bulk of younger players with few exceptions. So Bortles will develop right along with the rest of the team.
But absolutely no excuses next year--across the board, from the coach, GM, coordinators, quarterback, and all the way down. And I'm talking Day 1 of the offseason. Question everything. But it is way too early in the process to be clamoring for wins for validation.
Quote:Ok, so you're gonna call me out on reading comprehension and intelligence, yet you obviously didn't read thru all my posts. Thanks for underlining the obvious, if you hadn't done that i neve would have been able to understand it. Also the caps. If you re-read everything i've posted, you'll realize i'm agreeing with everything you just said (which is obvious, sherlock) and that i just don't like using the Peyton reference. Obviously he threw interceptions and obviously he turned out well. I've heard the same comparison around here for weeks now. I don't like it. I think it's silly that he's the one outlier that everyone brings up. I could do the same, but i'd rather watch Blake be Blake. But throw some more insults my way why don't you?
And BTW, while we're talking about reading comprehension, which you so eloquently bash the board for, who's calling Blake a bust? Or reached his ceiling? Lol...
And while we're at it, water is actually not wet. Carry on.
There's a difference between reading comprehension and reading all of your inane prattling posts.
But it's interesting that you've missed the posts where Blake has been called a bust but take issue with me not reading 4 pages of your nonsense.
So basically, you've started a thread to whine about people using a Peyton comparison and let us all know that Bortles needs to cut down on his interceptions. Gotcha. I look forward to some more insightful commentary from you in the future. Maybe next time you can start a thread telling us how the DBs need to cover better or that our rookie WRs need to run better routes or that the LBs and safeties need to do a better job in the middle of the field.