The point that makes the Peyton comparisons look soo stupid is that no one ever brings up the countless other QB's who did bad and then never amounted to anything in the NFL. Lets just dismiss all of those and just focus on the one extreme outlier and hold it as the truth. More INT's = better, since Peyton did it.
And yes, the dropped INT's ARE an important thing to look at. Again, no one gives a crap what other QB's are doing and how many INT's they had dropped.I care about what ours is doing. Apparently if every single one of Bortles passes were dropped interceptions, it wouldnt matter at all because they weren't, so he would still be a great QB.
Blake will get all the praise he deserves, when he earns it. Until then, I'll call it like it is. And it doesn't matter if its his 1st game or 100th.
Quote:Again, you can be ignorant all you want. My point was, which you failed to see, Blake is learning the game just like Peyton did. And again, you don't know if Bortles doesn't turn out to be the greatest QB of all time. Sure it's not likely, but you simply don't know that.
I think there were a lot of people who at this point in 1998 were calling people crazy for saying that Peyton could end up being one of the better QB's in the league.
Ignorant? Haha. How am i being ignorant, it's not like i'm denying they both threw tons of picks as rookies. I'm just being realistic about the underlying reality of those comparing his rookie season to Peytons.
To say, here's examples of a bunch of QBs, successful and busts, who had great or poor rookie seasons, has merit.
To latch on to the Peyton comparison is just silly. Who's being more ignorant, really?
Quote:better that he has a chance to learn from his mistakes now than a year from now when we're supposed to "compete"
you can only learn so much from sitting on the bench
Don't get the Aaron Rodgers comparisons started! Lol
Quote:The point that makes the Peyton comparisons look soo stupid is that no one ever brings up the countless other QB's who did bad and then never amounted to anything in the NFL. Lets just dismiss all of those and just focus on the one extreme outlier and hold it as the truth. More INT's = better, since Peyton did it.
And yes, the dropped INT's ARE an important thing to look at. Again, no one gives a crap what other QB's are doing and how many INT's they had dropped.I care about what ours is doing. Apparently if every single one of Bortles passes were almost intercepted, it wouldnt matter at all because they weren't, so he would still be a great QB.
Blake will get all the praise he deserves, when he earns it. Until then, I'll call it like it is. And it doesn't matter if its his 1st game or 100th.
I'm really not sure why it's so hard for some to see your point, which i share. Yet i'm the one called out as ignorant. SMH.
Quote:The point that makes the Peyton comparisons look soo stupid is that no one ever brings up the countless other QB's who did bad and then never amounted to anything in the NFL. Lets just dismiss all of those and just focus on the one extreme outlier and hold it as the truth. More INT's = better, since Peyton did it.
And yes, the dropped INT's ARE an important thing to look at. Again, no one gives a crap what other QB's are doing and how many INT's they had dropped.I care about what ours is doing. Apparently if every single one of Bortles passes were almost intercepted, it wouldnt matter at all because they weren't, so he would still be a great QB.
Blake will get all the praise he deserves, when he earns it. Until then, I'll call it like it is. And it doesn't matter if its his 1st game or 100th.
Seems like it was just last year that Andrew Luck had 3 or 4 INTs fall out of the hands or get caught by Jaguars defenders in the first couple of drives of a game.
Oh, wait, it was just last year!
Quote:Ignorant? Haha. How am i being ignorant, it's not like i'm denying they both threw tons of picks as rookies. I'm just being realistic about the underlying reality of those comparing his rookie season to Peytons.
To say, here's examples of a bunch of QBs, successful and busts, who had great or poor rookie seasons, has merit.
To latch on to the Peyton comparison is just silly. Who's being more ignorant, really?
I never latched on to it. I simply broke it down for you and said that to ignore it was stupid and an act of ignorance. The point of the Peyton comparison is to show that even one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game struggled in his rookie year in an extremely similar fashion to Blake at this point in the season.
I have never said that Bortles will be like Peyton because they had similar starts to their careers. I simply stated the FACT that Peyton struggled in his first season and only had 4 games in the whole season where he threw more TD's than INT's. In fact he finished that year with a 3-13 record if you like those "QB wins" type of stats.
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We all clamored to start Blake - (No, not all of us) and we are getting what we asked for, which is to be expected. Rookies, especially rookie QBs are going to and will make mistakes. If you thought he would come out and play lights out the whole season then you aren't dealing in reality. Sad to see fans call him a bust or want to bench him - (huh? Who? besides the trolls) when the kid doesn't even have an entire rookie season under his belt. Some of you who post on here seriously make me wonder how long you have been watching professional football. The kid has flashed and even his worse games have been much better than what we were getting from our QB play in the past - (That's just simply not the truth).
</blockquote>Go back and look at Henne and Gabbert stats, if they broke 200 yds passing we were like..wow he had a great game. Henne was the king of 3 and out. At least Blake moves the ball up and down the field.
Quote:Go back and look at Henne and Gabbert stats, if they broke 200 yds passing we were like..wow he had a great game. Henne was the king of 3 and out. At least Blake moves the ball up and down the field.
I don't need to, i know what they did. Go back and look at Brunell, Garrard, and even Leftwich. To say that even Blake's worst games were better is ridiculous.
And I know im being a bit more critical of Bortles than most, but I was just as excited and hopeful when Gabbert was playing.
And i'll be damned if someone is gonna pull a Gabbert on me again. :pinch: No more "hope", I want the real thing.
Quote:I never latched on to it. I simply broke it down for you and said that to ignore it was stupid and an act of ignorance. The point of the Peyton comparison is to show that even one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game struggled in his rookie year in an extremely similar fashion to Blake at this point in the season.
I have never said that Bortles will be like Peyton because they had similar starts to their careers. I simply stated the FACT that Peyton struggled in his first season and only had 4 games in the whole season where he threw more TD's than INT's. In fact he finished that year with a 3-13 record if you like those "QB wins" type of stats.
So did Ryan Leaf. I'm sorry for you that you don't see how silly it is to bring Peyton in as THE example. I'm not gonna argue this point anymore, it's futile.
Quote:Again, you can be ignorant all you want. My point was, which you failed to see, Blake is learning the game just like Peyton did. And again, you don't know if Bortles doesn't turn out to be the greatest QB of all time. Sure it's not likely, but you simply don't know that.
I think there were a lot of people who at this point in 1998 were calling people crazy for saying that Peyton could end up being one of the better QB's in the league.
No point arguing with this one raven. Hesclearly made his mind up and is pushing an agenda at this point. Bortles is the future and is learning to play the pro game.
Quote:No point arguing with this one raven. Hesclearly made his mind up and is pushing an agenda at this point. Bortles is the future and is learning to play the pro game.
I'm not arguing against Blake, i really do believe his the future, but have my concerns. I have ZERO agenda. Those pimping this Peyton non-sense, that's an agenda.
Quote:So did Ryan Leaf. I'm sorry for you that you don't see how silly it is to bring Peyton in as THE example. I'm not gonna argue this point anymore, it's futile.
Again I'm not comparing Bortles to Manning and saying that Bortles is going to do what Manning has done. My point with the comparison is to temper everybody here so they realize that it takes time to learn the game. That's the point. I have a feeling that in reality we're not far off of the same point. I simply am using a comparison to point out the same result, but you're misinterpreting my comparison.
Again, the point that I take away from the Peyton comparison is that it takes time to learn the game, and even the best in the history of the NFL needed to go through it.
The way that applies to Blake is to simply have people calm down. He's learning still, but even with him learning the team is better than we were with our other option. Give him the time to learn.
When the other team drops INT's, Bortles' "got lucky." When our guys drop passes like they've done in previous weeks it's, "part of the game."
Just about all of the complaints against Blake this week were technicalities. We can talk all day about what could and couldn't have happened.
Quote:Again I'm not comparing Bortles to Manning and saying that Bortles is going to do what Manning has done. My point with the comparison is to temper everybody here so they realize that it takes time to learn the game. That's the point. I have a feeling that in reality we're not far off of the same point. I simply am using a comparison to point out the same result, but you're misinterpreting my comparison.
Again, the point that I take away from the Peyton comparison is that it takes time to learn the game, and even the best in the history of the NFL needed to go through it.
The way that applies to Blake is to simply have people calm down. He's learning still, but even with him learning the team is better than we were with our other option. Give him the time to learn.
I agree with everything you're saying about Blake. I just think the Peyton example is a bad one. I fully see the point you are making, i guess my point is i could just as easily do the reverse, pick out a bust and compare stats and argue, "see, his stats are similiar to this bust, so let's all panic because of this one example".
I think the thing to see is what he's doing on the field, what he's dealing with as far as an offense, and is he showing signs of improvement, regression, confusion, brilliance, etc. I don't like the INTs, no one does. I don't think they are a cause for panic. I do think they are a concern. Some players overcome them, others don't. My gut tells me from watching and listening to Blake, that he'll be alright. I'd lie if I said I have no concerns tho. That's what being a life long Jag has done to me. I have not seen much improvement of late.
Quote:I agree with everything you're saying about Blake. I just think the Peyton example is a bad one. I fully see the point you are making, i guess my point is i could just as easily do the reverse, pick out a bust and compare stats and argue, "see, his stats are similiar to this bust, so let's all panic because of this one example".
I think the thing to see is what he's doing on the field, what he's dealing with as far as an offense, and is he showing signs of improvement, regression, confusion, brilliance, etc. I don't like the INTs, no one does. I don't think they are a cause for panic. I do think they are a concern. Some players overcome them, others don't. My gut tells me from watching and listening to Blake, that he'll be alright. I'd lie if I said I have no concerns tho. That's what being a life long Jag has done to me. I have not seen much improvement of late.
I'm not going to panic. He's going to throw int's as he continues to figure out what he could do in college he can't do in the NFL. His head is in the right place.
Dropped int's aren't a statistic for a reason. They happen to everybody, so imo he showed improvement last week by throwing more TD's than INT's and helping us come to within 3 points in the 4th quarter. To me, that's improvement.
I just want to see him have one good to great game. One. Shouldn't be too much to ask of the 3rd pick in the draft to do that after playing 6 games now. He's had a lot of bad games so can we get one complete good game where he stands out?
Quote:I just want to see him have one good to great game. One. Shouldn't be too much to ask of the 3rd pick in the draft to do that after playing 6 games now. He's had a lot of bad games so can we get one complete good game where he stands out?
So completing 70% of your passes for over 330 yards doesn't count as a "great" game to your standards?
Quote:He was really bad. No more excuses, time for him to step it up.
No, he wasn't "really bad". He made some poor decisions at times and his throws in the 2nd half that were off the mark/ underthrown were likely the result of the wrist injury he was dealing with.
I'd like to see a true breakout game or 2 by Blake at some point this year however. For all of this comparing to Manning and the INT's their rookie years, the difference is Peyton also had 26 TD's to go along with the 28 INT's.
I also don't see how any QB would have succeeded that first half with that atrocious play calling. That was awful. When they opened it up in the 2nd half, surprise surprise Blake started putting up the numbers and they moved the football.
BB signed a 4yr contract with a 5th year at the team's discretion.
He is going to be here at least 4 years and we will know what kind of QB BB is by then, but probably sooner.
He will get more then enough opportunities to improve and cut down on those bad decisions during that time.
While it can be painful to watch some of those bad INTs at this time, it's better to have them now and learn from them, then have them next year, and be a year behind in the learning process.
We will never really know if sitting BBs this year would have benefited him or not, because the Jags just didn't have a QB good enough to keep the rookie on the bench for the whole year, as was supposed to be the plan.