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I was one who called for Bortles to start. I still like that he is.
But as someone said earlier, you howled and howled and pounded the table for him to start. You called the coaching staff incompetent, etc and said Bortles gave the team a better chance to win. It was warned that he wasn't fully ready and should he start there would be growing pains. Now that you got what you want and the growing pains are there, you turn on a dime and want to declare him a bust.
You point to his preseason performance and hold on a pedestal. I got news for you. It was preseason. Against second stringers. Preseason is almost never an accurate indicator of how regular season will transpire.
Seriously. Suck it up. You got what you wanted and now you should buckle up. It's gonna be a bumpy ride this season.
yes, he was better than he was last week, but 1/) that's not saying a lot and he's still not showing what he showed early or in the pre-season. Full disclosure, when they entered the red zone before the last pick the first I was thinking was "no matter if they make it all the way back, Blake has re-established the confidence of the coaching staff and the same with Hurns who stood on his head today. Then IT happened.... Down by ten with 4 minutes to go you're going to get another possession. a FG extends the game the only thing that kills you is a pick. He's a rookie, these things happen. But you have to learn that THAT can't happen.
On the first TD to Hurns, Hurns came back for the ball and bailed Bortles out but it was one on one. I can understand giving a receiver a shot against one on one because they almost by definition have better ball skills than the DB. The second, he threw to the wrong shoulder into double coverage. Allen Hurns took an INT away. sometimes a QB can get fooled by a receiver seeming to break open and a defender he can't see flashing in front of the pass. When you look into the end zone on the last throw the first thing you think of is What the @#%^& where you looking at?
looking back at the whole game The Bengals drops were more prevelant than Bortles improvement. Right now he's not effectively challenging the deep third of the football field. The spiral isn't there and the accuracy definitely isn't there. That's just what it is. I want him to be the guy. I'm in the tank for him to be the guy. This season might not mean squat as to him being the guy long term but that doesn't change the fact that flat out right now he's not playing like THE GUY!!!
A somewhat related question here...I obviously wasn't paying anywhere near as much attention to this as I probably should have been, but how many almost INTs did our defense drop?
Hold up, when people say "The Jags QB would be better except for all the drops" - the automatic response always posted in under 30 seconds is "all QBs deal with that".
Now it's "Bortles sucks cuz he almost had 3 ints in his 6th or 7th game as a rookie" and the people responding with "all QBs deal with those" - they all get called morons.
Got it. At least the hypocrisy of the "realists" on this board remain as strong as ever.
PS - OF COURSE the other rookies are going to look ahead of Bortles. They're not playing QB. It's arguably the most difficult position on the field to learn and master.
Though I'm still confused as to how a rookie QB with less than 8 starts under his belt can actually "regress", but I guess I wouldn't be on the Jags mb if I hadn't already seen that posted infinity times.
Quote:Though I'm still confused as to how a rookie QB with less than 8 starts under his belt can actually "regress", but I guess I wouldn't be on the Jags mb if I hadn't already seen that posted infinity times.
Yes, I can see why that's confusing for you. So what they're talking about is his mechanical flaws leading to the wobblers and off-target passes. He seemed to have made amazing progress by late pre-season, and even early in his regular season debut. Lately those issues are resurfacing.
So when you improve on something like mechanics, you're said to have "progressed". When you then slide back to begin making those mistakes again, you're said to have "regressed".
Hope that helps.
Quote:Hold up, when people say "The Jags QB would be better except for all the drops" - the automatic response always posted in under 30 seconds is "all QBs deal with that".
Now it's "Bortles sucks cuz he almost had 3 ints in his 6th or 7th game as a rookie" and the people responding with "all QBs deal with those" - they all get called morons.
Got it. At least the hypocrisy of the "realists" on this board remain as strong as ever.
PS - OF COURSE the other rookies are going to look ahead of Bortles. They're not playing QB. It's arguably the most difficult position on the field to learn and master.
Though I'm still confused as to how a rookie QB with less than 8 starts under his belt can actually "regress", but I guess I wouldn't be on the Jags mb if I hadn't already seen that posted infinity times.
No need to argue with these guys. They won't give him credit for the dropped passes and would have been touchdowns but want to crucify him for almost intercetptions that every qb throws every game. They complain that Hurns made plays on the ball but that what the good qbs have, wideouts who make plays on bad passes lol. They will always find a way to make him sound like a bust even when he had a better game than Dalton lol
I with you how can you regress if you are just now at your starting point. Preseason is Preseason. That isn't a factor. This is the year and games that he will build from. Next year is when we can say if he's regressed our not. Not in his sixth game lol.
You're fighting a losing battle. You are better off just going into reading mode for a while.
Quote:Yes, I can see why that's confusing for you. So what they're talking about is his mechanical flaws leading to the wobblers and off-target passes. He seemed to have made amazing progress by late pre-season, and even early in his regular season debut. Lately those issues are resurfacing.
So when you improve on something like mechanics, you're said to have "progressed". When you then slide back to begin making those mistakes again, you're said to have "regressed".
Hope that helps.
You know that's not actually regressing right? If is he making the same mistakes now that he made before, then the progress was never actually, consistently, and permanently there.
If Bortles is still having issues with his mechanics, then he never effectively and permanently improved on them. (That's too be understood given the circumstances; muscle memory doesn't simply change that easily).
Pro tip, NFL rookies don't "progress" or "regress" on a week-to-week basis, and if that's how you're looking at it, your analysis is too myopic.