Quote:Mike pouncey doesn't really matter. He is not even playing center. He is playing guard. The Cleveland team is not even close to Miami on paper for the year. You have to be optimistic if your a fan of a team talking on your fan board. I respect that. I don't think the game will be very close.
I'm not so sure I agree about Cleveland and Miami being so disparate. Cleveland had the #3 rushing game before playing Jax. Miami currently sits at #11 (Cleveland is now #12). Cleveland and Miami are both pretty close in offensive pass rankings as well. Hoyer was the hot hand coming into Jax, but as a backup, he's unable to consistently play well. Tannehill hasn't shown an ability to consistently play at a high level either, and the stats back that up.
So our defense stacks up pretty much as well against Miami's offense as they did Clevelands. Additionally, our defense has improved significantly over the last 3 weeks and during that same time, is probably a top 5 unit league-wide. With Poz and Branch out, the defense is going to have to turn in another high-level performance, but they've shown multiple times now they're certainly capable of doing it, especially at home.
The big difference defensively between Miami and Cleveland is their passing D because the rushing D and overall points allowed per game are pretty similar. However, I don't think anyone's going to disagree that a Jags W is going to swing pretty much on Bortles and the o-line. The thing I haven't seen anyone mention yet though, is that for the last 3 (now 4) weeks, our offense full of rookies has been practicing against a really good defense and the #2 defensive line. You can't act like practicing against our d-line isn't helping our rookie o-line in a significant way.
Ultimately, I think for the Jags to win, their going to need quality play from the o-line, MLB, and Bortles, in that order. I think the most likely scenario is Miami wins by a TD or less, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Jags win or fall flat on their face. But I also don't think the Jags winning is such an unbelievable/unlikely scenario; it's definitely doable.
Good point about practices, but are we the #2 defense without Poz and Branch? That remains to be seen.
Quote:Actually, 6 touchdowns would be 36 points. Apparently we aren't kicking any extra points this weekend.
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Quote:I'm not so sure I agree about Cleveland and Miami being so disparate. Cleveland had the #3 rushing game before playing Jax. Miami currently sits at #11 (Cleveland is now #12). Cleveland and Miami are both pretty close in offensive pass rankings as well. Hoyer was the hot hand coming into Jax, but as a backup, he's unable to consistently play well. Tannehill hasn't shown an ability to consistently play at a high level either, and the stats back that up.
So our defense stacks up pretty much as well against Miami's offense as they did Clevelands. Additionally, our defense has improved significantly over the last 3 weeks and during that same time, is probably a top 5 unit league-wide. With Poz and Branch out, the defense is going to have to turn in another high-level performance, but they've shown multiple times now they're certainly capable of doing it, especially at home.
The big difference defensively between Miami and Cleveland is their passing D because the rushing D and overall points allowed per game are pretty similar. However, I don't think anyone's going to disagree that a Jags W is going to swing pretty much on Bortles and the o-line. The thing I haven't seen anyone mention yet though, is that for the last 3 (now 4) weeks, our offense full of rookies has been practicing against a really good defense and the #2 defensive line. You can't act like practicing against our d-line isn't helping our rookie o-line in a significant way.
Ultimately, I think for the Jags to win, their going to need quality play from the o-line, MLB, and Bortles, in that order. I think the most likely scenario is Miami wins by a TD or less, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Jags win or fall flat on their face. But I also don't think the Jags winning is such an unbelievable/unlikely scenario; it's definitely doable.
I'd like to agree with you, but I can't. Miami is 4th in rushing. The really telling stat is Cleveland at 29 in total defense. Miami?......number 4. I respect your opinion, but Cleveland and Miami are completely different teams on paper. Our guys have to practice against a D-line that is pretty good also. Buffalo has the best D-line in football. I'm not sure how you are considering the Jags #2 but I agree that they are good. Not sure they are better than Miami. You want to talk about team improvement over the last 3 weeks. Your not the only one getting better. Look at it equally. You now have CB problems and your already poor LBs just got worse. Tannehill is averaging over 100QBR for the last 3 weeks. I do enjoy the banter and will be a good sport win or lose. I just don't see this as a 1 score game.
We are not considering the Jaguars are #2. We know they are. The Jaguars are #2 in sacks with 22. If you want to make a big deal about numbers, you must agree our defensive line rank is #2.
Quote:We are not considering the Jaguars are #2. We know they are. The Jaguars are #2 in sacks with 22. If you want to make a big deal about numbers, you must agree our defensive line rank is #2.
I can't agree at all with you there. Sacks are only part of what makes a D-line. Hurries and pressures play a lot more into it. You are seriously trying to tell me that the 3 plays in an entire game where a defense gets a sack is how a line is rated? That is certainly not how people who really watch the game see it. I'm not taking anything away from your very good D-line. You can call them number 2 for whatever reason you want. If you are 15th in sacks, it doesn't make your D-line 15th best. That is just silly talk. There is not a single former player, analyst, coach, anyone who watches trench play and how it affects games would agree with that reasoning.
Let me ask you, how many of those sacks actually came from your front 4? You will have to educate yourself to answer that.
I'll give you a hint. There are 12 players so far with sacks. That is outstanding. How many of those play D-line? Certainly the D-line play attributed to a good portion of those sacks. Look deeper.
Isn't a hurry that causes and incomplete pass or turnover important also? Shouldn't rushing stats have some input on the quality of the line?
Quote:I'll give you a hint. There are 12 players so far with sacks. That is outstanding. How many of those play D-line? Certainly the D-line play attributed to a good portion of those sacks. Look deeper.
Most of them are linemen. So many players have sacked quarterbacks because we rotate them instead of use the four starters all day.
Quote:Most of them are linemen. So many players have sacked quarterbacks because we rotate them instead of use the four starters all day.
8 of them are. We haven't even discussed scheme. You can't attribute sack totals to the entire quality of a line.