Quote:Caldwell and Gus have been here for that long?
Im saying you shouldnt have to wait 3 years to see improvement of some sort. Nobody is asking for the world, but would it kill us to lose by a field goal? The freaking browns look way better than us. That's how sad this is.
Quote:Im saying you shouldnt have to wait 3 years to see improvement of some sort. Nobody is asking for the world, but would it kill us to lose by a field goal? The freaking browns look way better than us. That's how sad this is.
You're not having to wait 3 years "to see improvement of some sort". The improvement is right dead in your face but you've chosen to ignore it because it doesn't meet your unrealistic expectations.
Quote:You shouldnt have a starting lineup made up of that much youth. This isnt college football. You dont get 3 or 4 years to show even the SlIGHTEST sign of improvement
Why not? You can have that much youth if that's how you want to build it. (It's 2 years, BTW. Not 3 or 4. Really it's 1.5 at the moment, but….)
Caldwell said they'd build through the draft and we are seeing exactly that. A LOT of starters with little to no experience in the NFL. You're entitled to your opinion, but Khan, Caldwell and Bradley obvious have different ideas.
I think we saw the SLIGHTEST sign of improvement today and we'll see more as the season continues.
Quote:You're not having to wait 3 years "to see improvement of some sort". The improvement is right dead in your face but you've chosen to ignore it because it doesn't meet your unrealistic expectations.
I'll say it again. 4 good quarters of football in 5 games. And as bad as the defense has been up until this week, the offense hasnt even gotten 20 points once. That's unacceptable. If it's not one side of the ball, it's the other. This team has yet to play a complete game.
Quote:Why not? You can have that much youth if that's how you want to build it. (It's 2 years, BTW. Not 3 or 4. Really it's 1.5 at the moment, but….)
Caldwell said they'd build through the draft and we are seeing exactly that. A LOT of starters with little to no experience in the NFL. You're entitled to your opinion, but Khan, Caldwell and Bradley obvious have different ideas.
I think we saw the SLIGHTEST sign of improvement today and we'll see more as the season continues.
The offense didnt look improved, idk what you're talking about. 250 odd yards and 9 points? And the defense looked good this week, but what about next week? It's a pattern of poor play, that's the problem. These massive losing streaks have to stop. If we were 1-4, itd be bad, but at least you'd have a win to hang your hat on. It shouldnt take 6 or 7 weeks for the unit to click for one game. Expectations couldnt be much lower, and yet we arent meeting them.
Im probably being a bit too harsh on gus, caldwell's youth approach hasnt really given him a lot of help...
But you cant talk about how you view yourselves as "teachers", and then have guys show little to no improvement
Quote:The offense didnt look improved, idk what you're talking about. 250 odd yards and 9 points?
That's called "rookie QB." Weren't you one of the guys clamoring for him to start? Well…. there ya go.
Quote:That's called "rookie QB." Weren't you one of the guys clamoring for him to start? Well…. there ya go.
He was hurt by drops and poorly executed screens.... Hurns has been shaky a lot of the year. There's just a lack of experience everywhere. It's a disaster.
My point is we have 1 game to hang our hat on defensively, and none offensively. And 4 wins dating back to last year. 1 game of decent defense cant be dubbed a sign of improvement any more than a cold year can be used to discount global warming.
Can't wait to get started talking draft.
It doesnt help that we have so much inexperience on the offensive side of the ball, INCLUDING OUR COORDINATOR
Quote:Can't wait to get started talking draft.
Good god this is an extremely weak draft coming up though. This is definitely not the year to be #1 pick in.
#1 pick is going to be a QB, even though they're not going to be worth the #1 pick. I'm scared of being 0-16 this year.
We simply don't have very many good players.
It's funny. People expected this magical turn around by year 2. The offense is chock full of rookies. What else do you expect?
Quote:It's funny. People expected this magical turn around by year 2. The offense is chock full of rookies. What else do you expect?
I expected year 2 to look better than year 1. That was the expectation, and we are failing to meet it.
Year 3 was supposed to be playoff contention. That aint happening.
With respect to the 'plan', imho, yes it is flawed because it places far too much emphasis on youth over proven playmakers and on inexperienced coaches over proven winners. It's why I wanted Andy Reid.
I also don't like the precedent it has set for the franchise. On the other hand, a thorough house-cleaning was quite necessary given where things were.
The criticisms of so many on here while valid, don't recognize the tremendous progress that has been made in a very short period. It's just never fast enough because there has been alot of record suck around here, and it feels like same old same old.
And some of it is..
Blake Bortles is special, and while there will always be a debate about how he was held back by not starting the season, we didn't have to wait long. He's out there sinking and swimming. Gonna be very bumpy.
There is an obvious team discipline now that was severely lacking under JDR. He led the way toward sucking in every category. We didn't suck in every category today.
Other than the muffed punt, and one bad snap I think, we protected the football very well. (Int's excluded for the rook) That's pretty good.
They did what Gus said. They got better.
Except Hurns. But maybe he will surprise us next week.
Good God, when are people going to realize that Andy Reid walked himself onto a team with a TON of talent already assembled for him? Makes no damn sense..
So Andy Reid deserves no credit for turning that mess in KC around?
Quote:It's funny. People expected this magical turn around by year 2. The offense is chock full of rookies. What else do you expect?
I am, and have been all season, more upset with the defense. I understood the offense would be pretty bad. There's not much excuse for the defense. In the front 7, only one starter wasn't/isn't a multi-year vet (and only one wasn't specifically signed by Dave to start for a couple of seasons at the minimum. Well, technically, its two, but Watson hasn't been able to win the starting job, which I think is another indictment of Dave's free agent signings.) and the pressure hasn't been consistent, and the run defense can't seem to stop anyone except Donald Brown (even Trent Richardson looked serviceable against the Jags). The secondary was Alan Ball and a bunch of second year players who we all expected to see improvement from, but that hasn't been the case. Guy was cut and Evans isn't much better, and Gratz has regressed significantly. I thought Cyp was having himself a coming out season before the injury, but since he's returned he's been pretty quiet (which is still improvement, because last year he was getting abused for a decent part of the season. It just doesn't seem like quite as
much progress as he was making before the injury.). McCray looked like a God send today, but I was all aboard the Dee Webb train a couple years back when the 7th rounder got thrown into gametime duty against Manning and the Colts, only to leave me sobbing uncontrollably the next week when he took the field again, so I'm trying to keep my expectations level for McCray. Overall though, the defense looked
better today when compared to the rest of the season, but given the make-up of the D, they
should be, and should have been, better.
I'm not looking for a magical turnaround from last season to this season from the defense; just to not get blown out every week with a front 7 of specifically sought-after free agents and a secondary of high draft picks. :confused:
Quote:So Andy Reid deserves no credit for turning that mess in KC around?
Malarky could have turned that team around with that same talent..
Hell, I'll even go as far as Lane Kiffin..