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Normally I'm not for the boo birds, and I honestly don't have anything against Chad Henne, but this needs to happen. The message needs to be sent that this isn't acceptable at all.

Quote:I was told this morning to expect him to be on the field running the offense from under center for the Steelers game. 

 

That seems logical considering recent moves.  The only "wrench" in the plan is how injuries are playing out.  However, that is the first week that Ace Sanders will be back and hopefully a healthy Cecil Shorts.  Throw in a healthy 100% Austin Pasztor to beef the O line up a bit.  That's probably a good time for him to come in and begin his career.

 

If the team can get through the next two games without any major injuries, the Blake Bortles debut should be a good one.

Quote:He's average for a QB of the 80s or 90s. When 3000 yards and a passer rating in the mid 70s was considered acceptable.

 

Of course back then he'd be even worse because he wouldn't have a league that emphasizes passing trying to prop up every QB's stats.

 

For the modern NFL goes he's not average, he's bottom of the league as starting QBs go.

 

If all teams where equal and the QBs where the only difference between teams I would agree with you.  The teams Henne has been on in his career have been awful.  Also, although people tend to hate to extrapolate he's on course for about 3700 yards.  Not great, but not horrible either.  Please stop the campaigning madness.

Will we see Bortles in the second half. I have a feeling there will be loud booing at the half if he plays as he has

Quote:Henne just needs to have a better game vs. Indy because the team needs him to.  Not because he needs to validate anything, because everyone including Henne recognizes what his role is on this roster, and he definitely knows the clock is ticking on his tenure as the starting QB.  If he is able to play well, it helps with developing the other young talent on the offense, and that's critical. 

what he said...

Quote:Will we see Bortles in the second half. I have a feeling there will be loud booing at the half if he plays as he has

 

I'll be glad to see him go in.  I think he can make a difference with his athleticism.  I doubt if it will make much difference in the actual outcome but may make some difference in the final score and frankly it will be good to see him get some experience.

Look... I don't care who starts at quarterback. We can start whistlers mother for all it matters to me! What matters isn't who's playing where...what matters is the final score (aka-winning). Somebody just needs to get out there and make enough good plays so we get a W instead of a L for a change.... it doesn't even matter if we win 'ugly' or get un-naturally lucky... we just need a win to help get us back on track.... 

I haven't read this whole thread...  But in regards to Henne, it seemed in the pre-season we ran a much more up-tempo offense, even going no-huddle in series.  What happened to that?

 

Henne I think can be good when he isn't thinking to much, he seems to be more of an instinct type QB.  The minute he has to read and react, he's toast.  

 

I thought it was exciting to see us in pre-season try to dictate to the defenses.  In the regular season, we seemed to have gone more vanilla with our offensive game planning...  Especially after a couple things go wrong.

 

With that said, I honestly can't say we're gonna see the good Henne this week.  Our WRs are basically a MASH unit.  Our O-Line is suspect at best, and we have no running game.  The c'lots are gonna come after Henne early and often.  He'll probably get into his own head, and we'll see more of what we've seen in the last 2 weeks.

 

I hope I'm dead wrong on this.  But the key is to maybe start getting some quicker routes going, get some balls to Denard in space, and hope for some missed tackles by c'lot D.

I'm not so sure that Henne might only  have 1 or 2 drives to put up some points Sunday or they may yank him. There is a ton of good will that was built up all off season to be jeopardized if we get blown out by the 0-2 clots and nothing is changed. Fans are fans and they don't give a damn about all the reasons that are in play here with our stagnant offense. Rookie WR's? Don't give a damn. Rookie inexperienced o-line? Don't give a damn! No running game? Don't give two damns. It is simply the nature of the beast.

Quote:1 - The Colts are without their elite pass rusher. In theory this should give Chad more time to throw the football and more time to assess the field which for large parts of the game against the Redskins didn't happen due to a mixture of him being poor and the O-line deciding not to turn up.

 

2 - Gus has already told him, the team, the fans and the media that Henne will start. That quickly distinguished any doubt he wouldn't play and he has to repay the faith shown in him by our HC. 

 

3 - He simply has to convince us (the fans), that he is worth his place in the team ahead of Bortles. Already, people are calling for Blake to start but, personally, I believe these calls are premature.

 

His 2014 stats so far:

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/chadhenne/252/profile

 

Now, if we ignore those sacks in week 2 in which, let's be honest, the majority of them he hardly had time to grip the ball, bar 2/3, he's not played that badly (in fact his QB rating is higher than Brady atm and isn't far off the likes of Kaepernick, Flacco, etc), epsecially when you consider that pass early on in the game against the Redskins to Hurns who, if had been a veteran WR, would've caught and set us up nicely for a TD or at least a FG and that would've given the whole team more confidence.

 

That brings me on to my next point, he hasn't got an experienced WR to throw to until Shorts comes back. If he had, say, Megatron down the field he wouldn't be afraid to launch a few passes in his general direction, but, unfortunately for us, he hasn't.

 

Finally, I'd like to say that this is my opinion of which I know many do not share and also that if Henne performs badly on a consistent basis then I'm all for starting Borltles but for now, let's not get too impatient.

 

That was a very elaborate way to prove just how much you don't understand.

Quote:If all teams where equal and the QBs where the only difference between teams I would agree with you.  The teams Henne has been on in his career have been awful.  Also, although people tend to hate to extrapolate he's on course for about 3700 yards.  Not great, but not horrible either.  Please stop the campaigning madness.

 

You're working way too hard to justify the guy. He's bad. The QB is the #1 criteria that separates the quality of teams in the NFL. Recall the colts just a few years ago?

 

Henne got beat out by Matt Moore down in Miami, a career backup level guy who easily outperformed Henne.

 

It's not that Henne has only played for bad teams, it's that Henne can't make a team look better than bad.

 

That you, FBT, and so many others just don't get this, or aren't willing to admit to yourself is something I find disturbing.

 

The only thing worse than being misinformed is being informed and still choosing to be ignorant.

What I can't wait for is when Bortles does get on the field.  If he completely lights it up are these Henne people going to try to point to reasons to why it wasn't about Bortles being the better QB?  

 

You can't justify Henne over Bortles as far as performance goes.  The only reason you can justify it is because of fear.  They're afraid of Bortles being weak in the face of adversity.  They're afraid of breaking him under bad circumstances.  If you're afraid to take the shot, then you shouldn't be the shooter.

Quote:What I can't wait for is when Bortles does get on the field.  If he completely lights it up are these Henne people going to try to point to reasons to why it wasn't about Bortles being the better QB?  

 

You can't justify Henne over Bortles as far as performance goes.  The only reason you can justify it is because of fear.  They're afraid of Bortles being weak in the face of adversity.  They're afraid of breaking him under bad circumstances.  If you're afraid to take the shot, then you shouldn't be the shooter.

 

It's just whatever the coaches are doing must be the 100% correct decision.  To each their own.

 

So when they do put Bortles in, well, that was clearly the PERFECT time... because that's when they did it.  So it must have been the perfect time.  Coaches are infallible.

 

Quote:You're working way too hard to justify the guy. He's bad. The QB is the #1 criteria that separates the quality of teams in the NFL. Recall the colts just a few years ago?

 

Henne got beat out by Matt Moore down in Miami, a career backup level guy who easily outperformed Henne.

 

It's not that Henne has only played for bad teams, it's that Henne can't make a team look better than bad.

 

That you, FBT, and so many others just don't get this, or aren't willing to admit to yourself is something I find disturbing.

 

The only thing worse than being misinformed is being informed and still choosing to be ignorant.

 

Yep

Quote:I haven't read this whole thread...  But in regards to Henne, it seemed in the pre-season we ran a much more up-tempo offense, even going no-huddle in series.  What happened to that?

 

 

 

 

Now they are trying to give their own defense a chance to breathe.  You generally start the up-tempo after getting at least one first down - or establishing  some ability to run. We haven't really been in a good situation to run the hurry-up yet. 

Quote:Now they are trying to give their own defense a chance to breathe.  You generally start the up-tempo after getting at least one first down - or establishing  some ability to run. We haven't really been in a good situation to run the hurry-up yet. 

 

Might also have something to do with the rookies starting all over the field.

 

These aren't guys that might not be ready to play the no huddle very much anyway and need some direction in the huddle.

Quote:Look... I don't care who starts at quarterback. We can start whistlers mother for all it matters to me! What matters isn't who's playing where...what matters is the final score (aka-winning). Somebody just needs to get out there and make enough good plays so we get a W instead of a L for a change.... it doesn't even matter if we win 'ugly' or get un-naturally lucky... we just need a win to help get us back on track.... 

 

Whistler?  The old guy from Blade?

Quote:Now they are trying to give their own defense a chance to breathe.  You generally start the up-tempo after getting at least one first down - or establishing  some ability to run. We haven't really been in a good situation to run the hurry-up yet. 

 

 

Exactly. Horrible play calling.

Quote:Exactly. Horrible play calling.

I didn't say anything about play calling. I was referring to the offenses inability to get first downs or run the ball. 

Quote:I didn't say anything about play calling. I was referring to the offenses inability to get first downs or run the ball. 

 

Ok. Still translates to bad play calling. You have to call plays to the stregnths of your offesne and Fisch has failed to to that. Also, Henne is hot, stinking, flaming, garbage.