Quote:Ok. Still translates to bad play calling. You have to call plays to the stregnths of your offesne and Fisch has failed to to that. Also, Henne is hot, stinking, flaming, garbage.
What is the strength right now?
Going over the starting 11 on offense I'm not seeing one.
Quote:Ok. Still translates to bad play calling. You have to call plays to the stregnths of your offesne and Fisch has failed to to that. Also, Henne is hot, stinking, flaming, garbage.
I see your point - but I don't think this offense
has any strengths until the O-line can even moderately function. I just saw tons and tons of fail from that line. That will screw up anyone's play calling IMO. I'm more inclined to blame the line than the play calling right now - but as I've said before - Fisch does leave me scratching my head from time to time. And yes, obviously Henne doesn't help.
I seem to recall that the point of athletic competition is to win. The goal is to win. Do the jags have a better opportunity to win with Bortles or with Henne? The head coach has said that the better player should be the one to play. Who is that better player, Bortles or Henne? Henne has more experience but it isn't clear that he is able to bring what should be an advantage to him to bear on the field. Bortles has never played a regular season NFL game; in that regard, he is an unknown quantity. He is obviously bigger, faster, stronger, more agile, and has a quicker release than Henne has demonstrated though. We don't know how well he knows the playbook. We do know that our offensive line is struggling and that our receiver corps is diminished by injuries, disqualifications, and inexperience. These issues exists for either quarterback who starts. Henne has not been able to overcome the shortcomings of the o-line which has led to record setting failures to convert third downs. I'm not aware of any miracles that have taken place that would lead me to think that Henne will do better against an 0-2 Colts team that needs a win. I do know that with Henne behind center many fans are losing hope that the team will do any better this season than it did last season. It's not all Henne's fault mind you; he is a serviceable backup quarterback, a real professional. However, he doesn't have the requisite abilities to overcome the adversities facing the offense this season. What we need is a breath of 'fresh air' behind center... someone who at least has the core abilities to make things happen. What some refer to as the 'it' factor. Blake Bortles seemed to show in the preseason that he might be that guy. Repeat...'might' be that guy. We know from Henne's record in the NFL that he isn't that guy.
*Might we lose if we start Bortles? Yes!... but we're already losing with Henne (and badly...), so what does than matter?
*Might Bortles get hurt? Possibly... but he faces that chance whenever he starts, so what difference does that make?
*Could the pressure Bortles would face 'get in his head' the way it did Gabbert because we don't have a decent offensive line? Anything is possible, but I'm under the impression that Bortles and Gabbert are two quite different animals. Bortles seems tough... not just physically, but mentally. Gabbert never did give the impression of 'mental toughness'. In this sense, Bortles does remind me of Ben Rothlesburger. He played behind a line that wasn't too good either but he scrambled and made plays. Of course Ben had some pretty good veteran receivers to help him. Bortles does not...
*if Bortles is put on the field now, is he just being set up to fail? a tough question. That's a question that ultimately can only be answered by no one except Bortles himself. He will determine if he is elite or not. An elite quarterback will elevate everyone else's game. A backup isn't able to do that...
Quote:You're working way too hard to justify the guy. He's bad. The QB is the #1 criteria that separates the quality of teams in the NFL. Recall the colts just a few years ago?
Henne got beat out by Matt Moore down in Miami, a career backup level guy who easily outperformed Henne.
It's not that Henne has only played for bad teams, it's that Henne can't make a team look better than bad.
That you, FBT, and so many others just don't get this, or aren't willing to admit to yourself is something I find disturbing.
The only thing worse than being misinformed is being informed and still choosing to be ignorant.
I've been doing my best to educate people as to why a pretty average QB should not actually be considered a bad player but homestly it just becomes repetitive and boring after awhile. Physical limitations aside, there's a pretty good difference between guys who can read defenses and call aidibles and guys like Gabbert and Tebow but people believe what they want to believe and hyperbole prevails.
I totally get that people are excited about our new rookie QB. I am too. Personally I think Henne's bettrr suited for a backip role in the long run.
The difference is that it's more important (to a few of us anyway) to maintain some objectivity when evaluating any of the players, QB incuded.
Quote:I've been doing my best to educate people as to why a pretty average QB should not actually be considered a bad player but homestly it just becomes repetitive and boring after awhile. Physical limitations aside, there's a pretty good difference between guys who can read defenses and call aidibles and guys like Gabbert and Tebow but people believe what they want to believe and hyperbole prevails.
I totally get that people are excited about our new rookie QB. I am too. Personally I think Henne's bettrr suited for a backip role in the long run.
The difference is that it's more important (to a few of us anyway) to maintain some objectivity when evaluating any of the players, QB incuded.
The differences between guys like Tebow, Gabbert, and Henne are so pointless as to be unworthy of note.
They're all losers, and that's all any of those guys will ever be.
That anyone in the league would waste a roster spot and cap space on any of them when they could just bring in a young lion to develop is beyond me.
Quote:The differences between guys like Tebow, Gabbert, and Henne are so pointless as to be unworthy of note.
They're all losers, and that's all any of those guys will ever be.
That anyone in the league would waste a roster spot and cap space on any of them when they could just bring in a young lion to develop is beyond me.
If they are all losers for being bad at PRO football, then what does that make you?
Quote:If they are all losers for being bad at PRO football, then what does that make you?
Hey ur getting too real. Its our job as fans to act like everybody is worthless and we know how to play QB better than anybody. Weve seen alot from our couch on tv.
And we only complain via internet, radio, or from a mile away in the stands.
Quote:Hey ur getting too real. Its our job as fans to act like everybody is worthless and we know how to play QB better than anybody. Weve seen alot from our couch on tv.
And we only complain via internet, radio, or from a mile away in the stands.
It's like Prisco says, you don't have to be a trained chef to know what tastes good.
Anyone who really thinks it's not okay to call obviously bad players bad is a moron.
Quote:I've been doing my best to educate people as to why a pretty average QB should not actually be considered a bad player but homestly it just becomes repetitive and boring after awhile. Physical limitations aside, there's a pretty good difference between guys who can read defenses and call aidibles and guys like Gabbert and Tebow but people believe what they want to believe and hyperbole prevails.
I totally get that people are excited about our new rookie QB. I am too. Personally I think Henne's bettrr suited for a backip role in the long run.
The difference is that it's more important (to a few of us anyway) to maintain some objectivity when evaluating any of the players, QB incuded.
I'd say Henne is a below average QB. He's not bad. Just below average. He's a backup. Nothing more, nothing less. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Quote:It's like Prisco says, you don't have to be a trained chef to know what tastes good.
Anyone who really thinks it's not okay to call obviously bad players bad is a moron.
Yes. And a good chef cant be a good chef without good ingredients.
But Prisco said it, must be gospel
Quote:I'd say Henne is a below average QB. He's not bad. Just below average. He's a backup. Nothing more, nothing less. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Remember when Henne set the Dolphins single game completion percentage record against us? Seems like a long time ago haha.
Quote:Yes. And a good chef cant be a good chef without good ingredients.
But Prisco said it, must be gospel
Do you have a point or do you just like posting meaningless non sequiturs as responses?
Just trying to defend Gus and Jedd?
Henne is a hot, stinking, flaming, heaving, sloshing, pile of garbage.
Quote:I seem to recall that the point of athletic competition is to win. The goal is to win. Do the jags have a better opportunity to win with Bortles or with Henne? The head coach has said that the better player should be the one to play. Who is that better player, Bortles or Henne? Henne has more experience but it isn't clear that he is able to bring what should be an advantage to him to bear on the field. Bortles has never played a regular season NFL game; in that regard, he is an unknown quantity. He is obviously bigger, faster, stronger, more agile, and has a quicker release than Henne has demonstrated though. We don't know how well he knows the playbook. We do know that our offensive line is struggling and that our receiver corps is diminished by injuries, disqualifications, and inexperience. These issues exists for either quarterback who starts. Henne has not been able to overcome the shortcomings of the o-line which has led to record setting failures to convert third downs. I'm not aware of any miracles that have taken place that would lead me to think that Henne will do better against an 0-2 Colts team that needs a win. I do know that with Henne behind center many fans are losing hope that the team will do any better this season than it did last season. It's not all Henne's fault mind you; he is a serviceable backup quarterback, a real professional. However, he doesn't have the requisite abilities to overcome the adversities facing the offense this season. What we need is a breath of 'fresh air' behind center... someone who at least has the core abilities to make things happen. What some refer to as the 'it' factor. Blake Bortles seemed to show in the preseason that he might be that guy. Repeat...'might' be that guy. We know from Henne's record in the NFL that he isn't that guy.
*Might we lose if we start Bortles? Yes!... but we're already losing with Henne (and badly...), so what does than matter?
*Might Bortles get hurt? Possibly... but he faces that chance whenever he starts, so what difference does that make?
*Could the pressure Bortles would face 'get in his head' the way it did Gabbert because we don't have a decent offensive line? Anything is possible, but I'm under the impression that Bortles and Gabbert are two quite different animals. Bortles seems tough... not just physically, but mentally. Gabbert never did give the impression of 'mental toughness'. In this sense, Bortles does remind me of Ben Rothlesburger. He played behind a line that wasn't too good either but he scrambled and made plays. Of course Ben had some pretty good veteran receivers to help him. Bortles does not...
*if Bortles is put on the field now, is he just being set up to fail? a tough question. That's a question that ultimately can only be answered by no one except Bortles himself. He will determine if he is elite or not. An elite quarterback will elevate everyone else's game. A backup isn't able to do that...
Someone please give this fan an award for best QB breakdown for the Jaguars. To debate your point would be mute to anyone with football knowledge past the pee-wee level and there's always a few on any stance. I thought that's what coach meant by competition and playing the best players to win but again, i digress.
Quote:His flaws are most certainly not overstated. Chad Henne is a decent backup. But he's really just not that good. His receivers make a lot of mistakes, but even if they weren't, we wouldn't see much improvement. We've converted just 5 third downs this year. 18% -- lowest in the league. Henne is who he is. A mediocre QB that makes a decent backup. A consummate professional, but not starting-material.
Henne had Brandon Marshall and was still trash.
Quote:Yes. And a good chef cant be a good chef without good ingredients.
But Prisco said it, must be gospel
Here in lies the debate. Some will say a good chef can take crap ingredients and make them delicious. A lousy chef takes the best ingredients and ruins them because he is poor in his execution of the recipes.
Quote:Here in lies the debate. Some will say a good chef can take crap ingredients and make them delicious. A lousy chef takes the best ingredients and ruins them because he is poor in his execution of the recipes.
There so much a chef can do with mac n cheese. Swiss cheese like the OLine
Quote:Do you have a point or do you just like posting meaningless non sequiturs as responses?
Just trying to defend Gus and Jedd?
Your point was quoting Prisco??