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But Henne looks great in practice.

 

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lee is open. Should be a fairly easy throw but Henne sees the rush and does the Gabbert (squat down and stop looking to throw). Henne takes a sack here but the ball should have been released before he was hit.

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Pocket is fine but Henne drifts towards the pass rushers. Could easily go the opposite way and see an open Allen hurns. He walked into another sack.

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Just to show Robinson (I believe) is open.

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Same play. Instead of taking a few steps back to avoid Kerrigans arm, Henne decides to move forward making it very easy to get grabbed and ultimately sacked. The pocket is fine if he stays back some.


Coaches flat out lying. Don't believe me then believe lags. He said 4 were on the o-line and the rest on Henne.

 guys like the OP will default back to "but but but THE COACHES SAID!!!"

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The truth of the matter is that most sacks are on more than one person. Short of the OL letting a guy through completely unblocked, the QB should still have time to make a decision and throw the ball away if necessary. If the QB hangs on to the ball too long and eventually gets sacked, the OL could have blocked better or longer, or the receivers could have got more separation. Any explanation that blames one person and one person alone for a sack is unlikely to be strictly accurate.

I believe everything the coaches say.


I also believe that the moon is made out of cheese.

Quote:To the dismay of some posters, the Jaguar coaches listed the responsible parties for the 10 sacks on Sunday:

 

6 sacks credited to missed blocks by the O-line.

2 sacks credited to receivers running the wrong route.

1 sack credited to a RB for missing a block.

1 sack credited to Henne for holding the ball too long.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl.../15772049/

 

I think some people's heads are gonna explode!

 

That is actually still at least 3 sacks on Henne even if you go with the rather generous assessment they used.  The two sacks that they blame on receivers running the wrong route should have resulted in Chad throwing the ball away.  The guy is an NFL vet.  He should have known it was a busted play and got rid of the ball.

I appreciate what the coaches are doing here but I saw that game in person from less than 100 feet away. It was obvious after maybe the 3rd sack that Henne just wasn't even trying to move the ball downfield. I saw him on at least 2 occasions pull a Gabbert and mid throw tuck his arm back and take the sack. That's unacceptable at least put the ball in the air so the receivers have a chance to make a play. Henne shoulders more blame than just 1 sack, the O-line and receivers didn't do him any favors but he played timid. It made literally me sick watching the second half (I was there with my 2 friends who are redskins fans) and knowing anytime Henne dropped back to pass he was taking the sack. Don't even get me started on the play action, we don't even need to think about those until we can move the ball more than an inch on runs.

Quote:I think a lot of fans want to blame Henne because it's a nice, neat, simple-minded way of looking at the problem. They can vent all their frustrations on one guy and not have to think too much. It lets everybody else off the hook- players, coaches, and GM.

Agreed.  It's the easiest target to go after.  I'm not sure I agree with the coaches that only 1 sack was on Henne, but if they're seeing things in the coaches film that would indicate such, that's fine.  Regardless of who is at fault, the play calling and the execution have to get better this week, and with Indy's depleted line, hopefully we're able to get into some sort of rhythm offensively. 

Quote:That is actually still at least 3 sacks on Henne even if you go with the rather generous assessment they used.  The two sacks that they blame on receivers running the wrong route should have resulted in Chad throwing the ball away.  The guy is an NFL vet.  He should have known it was a busted play and got rid of the ball.

Probably, but you've got a guy who is doing everything he can with his limited capabilities to try to make a play.  Bad decision on his part, but I think he's trying to make something out of nothing in these instances. 

Didn't the coaches also say Henne played "efficiently"?


Yea... Sorry if I'm not buying it.

Coaches say things. Sometimes they say things that aren't true.  Big deal.  I still stick with my opinion of 4 sacks being avoidable by a quicker decision or throw-away by Henne.  He's very far from blameless in that loss.  

Quote:Didn't the coaches also say Henne played "efficiently"?


Yea... Sorry if I'm not buying it.

Saying he played efficiently isn't exactly what I'd call a ringing endorsement.  They want him to take more risks. 

Quote:Probably, but you've got a guy who is doing everything he can with his limited capabilities to try to make a play. Bad decision on his part, but I think he's trying to make something out of nothing in these instances.

If he threw it away, everyone would have been wide open. Not a huge fan of the guy but he's got virtually nothing to work with and is in 3rd and long all the time.

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lee is open. Should be a fairly easy throw but Henne sees the rush and does the Gabbert (squat down and stop looking to throw). Henne takes a sack here but the ball should have been released before he was hit.

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Pocket is fine but Henne drifts towards the pass rushers. Could easily go the opposite way and see an open Allen hurns. He walked into another sack.

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Just to show Robinson (I believe) is open.

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Same play. Instead of taking a few steps back to avoid Kerrigans arm, Henne decides to move forward making it very easy to get grabbed and ultimately sacked. The pocket is fine if he stays back some.


Coaches flat out lying. Don't believe me then believe lags. He said 4 were on the o-line and the rest on Henne.

 

I didn't quote all of your posts but I agree.

 

I re-watched some of Blake in the preseason and I think several of those "sacks" Blake would have at least attempted to make a play.  Whether that be by sliding up and delivering a throw or rolling out AWAY from the rush instead of standing their like a tackling dummy or drifting right into the pressure.  Lord I cannot wait until we get to see Blake play.

 

Not all of those sacks are on Henne but more than the one they say is on him can be avoided by better QB play.  To say otherwise is borderline moronic.  I don't know if Jaguar fans have seen bad QB play here for so long they can't see it or what.

Quote:Saying he played efficiently isn't exactly what I'd call a ringing endorsement. They want him to take more risks.

That's wonderful. Still not buying it.

Quote:That's wonderful. Still not buying it.

I'm not sure what you're expecting to buy here. 

Quote:I'm not sure what you're expecting to buy here.

That Henne was responsible for only one sack on Sunday??


It says it in the thread title.

Quote:Saying he played efficiently isn't exactly what I'd call a ringing endorsement.  They want him to take more risks. 

 

Which he didn't do.

 

He won't do.

 

Because he's not capable of doing it.  The coaches are trying to make something out of nothing.  I know it's all coach speak but I'm tired of the load of crap they've been pushing at us with Chad Henne.  I'm not the only one and it's not unreasonable for any fan to think that way.

 

They have the far and away better player on the bench and they aren't playing him.  He's "developing" by sitting on his [BLEEP] while the rest of the offense "develops" taking their lumps on the field.  I don't think it makes sense and if they stick with Henne as long as it seems they plan to they are wasting precious time for Blake to develop on the field with HIS offense.  

Quote:Didn't the coaches also say Henne played "efficiently"?


Yea... Sorry if I'm not buying it.

Agreed. Even if the sacks weren't his fault, he still play absolutely terrible. I know the "I want Bortles" chants are going to come around 1230 on Sunday.

Quote:Which he didn't do.

 

He won't do.

 

Because he's not capable of doing it.  The coaches are trying to make something out of nothing.  I know it's all coach speak but I'm tired of the load of crap they've been pushing at us with Chad Henne.  I'm not the only one and it's not unreasonable for any fan to think that way.

 

They have the far and away better player on the bench and they aren't playing him.  He's "developing" by sitting on his [BLEEP] while the rest of the offense "develops" taking their lumps on the field.  I don't think it makes sense and if they stick with Henne as long as it seems they plan to they are wasting precious time for Blake to develop on the field with HIS offense.  

I think he was attempting to do what they wanted based on the fact that he was trying to allow plays to develop, and he was holding on to the ball for too long.  Whether he's capable of stretching the field or not is questionable, but if you look at the number of 20+ yard pass plays, he's actually been more effective this year than last, and he's doing this despite the other issues. 

Quote:I think he was attempting to do what they wanted based on the fact that he was trying to allow plays to develop, and he was holding on to the ball for too long.  Whether he's capable of stretching the field or not is questionable, but if you look at the number of 20+ yard pass plays, he's actually been more effective this year than last, and he's doing this despite the other issues. 

 

Trying to allow plays to develop?  He looked lost beyond words back there and that's inexcusable, regardless how the WRs are running routes, for a veteran like Chad.  I felt bad for him at times because the offensive line wasn't allowing him to do what he needed but there were other times where he could have made a play but didn't.  

 

I don't think it's questionable at all.  He's not that good at it.  His arm isn't good and trying to make him throw more deep/intermediate passes is going to have the potential for disaster.  

 

The guy locks onto WRs like a UDFA rookie and that isn't going to change in year 7.