Quote:Nobody is saying that. If the "woman" is "responsible" enough to have unprotected sex, gets pregnant and has a child, then the "woman" should be responsible enough to provide for the child.
That doesn't mean that they will be able to provide for them.
They get pregnant. They lose their part time job. They have to drop out of college.
Alternately, they get pregnant, their parents kick them out, and they have to drop out of high school. No father to provide support for them. I don't see you arguing for making the father provide for the child, even though he's also 'responsible' enough to have unprotected sex. (And of course he doesn't have to carry the child around for 40 weeks)
Financial concerns is one of the top reasons people have abortions.
Also keep in mind that many abortions are performed because contraception failed.
If men could get pregnant, you'd be able to get abortions at Walmart.
Quote:If men could get pregnant, you'd be able to get abortions at Walmart.
It would be an amendment.
Quote:That doesn't mean that they will be able to provide for them.
They get pregnant. They lose their part time job. They have to drop out of college.
Alternately, they get pregnant, their parents kick them out, and they have to drop out of high school. No father to provide support for them. I don't see you arguing for making the father provide for the child, even though he's also 'responsible' enough to have unprotected sex. (And of course he doesn't have to carry the child around for 40 weeks)
Financial concerns is one of the top reasons people have abortions.
I believe that I stated earlier that it should be up to the "woman" and her partner to deal with the consequences.
So you have to drop out of college? Well, that's what happens when you have unprotected sex and the result ends up in an unexpected pregnancy.
Pregnant as a high school student? Legally their parents can not kick them out if they are under the age of 18.
Bottom line is, it all comes down to personal responsibility.
Quote:I believe that I stated earlier that it should be up to the "woman" and her partner to deal with the consequences.
So you have to drop out of college? Well, that's what happens when you have unprotected sex and the result ends up in an unexpected pregnancy.
Pregnant as a high school student? Legally their parents can not kick them out if they are under the age of 18.
Bottom line is, it all comes down to personal responsibility.
People don't believe in consequences for their actions. Personal responsibility is someone else's problem.
Quote:I believe that I stated earlier that it should be up to the "woman" and her partner to deal with the consequences.
So you have to drop out of college? Well, that's what happens when you have unprotected sex and the result ends up in an unexpected pregnancy.
Pregnant as a high school student? Legally their parents can not kick them out if they are under the age of 18.
Bottom line is, it all comes down to personal responsibility.
Again, many pregnancies result from protected sex.
They drop out of college, they can't get a job, how exactly are they
supposed to provide for their child again? And of course take care of their child at the same time (which can be very expensive). You can't leave a baby at home alone.
It may not be legal, but parents still do it. (Especially step-parents, when no birth-parents are available).
Quote:If men could get pregnant, you'd be able to get abortions at Walmart.
I don't see why men getting pregnant would change anything, and since they can't that's a lazy argument.
Quote:We're still arguing this because it's the Holocaust of our generation.
Did you really just say that?
Quote:I think America lacks the social floor needed to adequately support 56 million unwanted children, largely thanks to the conservative right.
Translation: We'll keep making 'em. You keep payin' for 'em.
Gotta love the liberals and their disdain for anything remotely resembling personal responsibility.
Who the hell are those evil conservatives to think a person should be responsible for a life that they just made.
Oh, that's right. obama is your daddy now......
Quote:Did you really just say that?
56 million abortions don't lie.
Quote:I don't see why men getting pregnant would change anything, and since they can't that's a lazy argument.
The laws against abortion have been created by men in overwhelming numbers. If men had to deal with a fetus in their body they would have a completely different view of their right to terminate a pregnancy.
Also, it's not an argument, it's an observation.
Quote:Nothing is Free, using that term is a manipulation of who is actually paying.........
Whoever pays for it.. providing birth control free of cost means a lower number of abortions. Using your metaphor, you won't stop the Holocaust, but if you could shut down Auschwitz, why would you fight against that?
Quote:Translation: We'll keep making 'em. You keep payin' for 'em.
Gotta love the liberals and their disdain for anything remotely resembling personal responsibility.
Who the hell are those evil conservatives to think a person should be responsible for a life that they just made.
Oh, that's right. obama is your daddy now......
So the implication is only liberals get abortions and conservatives do not? Liberals take no personal responsibility, but conservatives do by nature? I wanna make sure I have this right.
Quote:The laws against abortion have been created by men in overwhelming numbers. If men had to deal with a fetus in their body they would have a completely different view of their right to terminate a pregnancy.
Also, it's not an argument, it's an observation.
But it's an observation on a hypothetical theory that is impossible to observe, it's an off hand lazy comment implying men are only against abortion because they physically can't understand a women's reason to seek an abortion.
Quote:Whoever pays for it.. providing birth control free of cost means a lower number of abortions. Using your metaphor, you won't stop the Holocaust, but if you could shut down Auschwitz, why would you fight against that?
Not my analogy, but it's one I can sympathize with. Like I've said on a personal level I hate all abortions for any reason, I've stood in the protest, held signs on the highways, donated to pro-life charities, and even offered to adopt a child to convince a mother we new not to abort her baby (ultimately she went through with the abortion, haven't spoken to her sense), but on a legal level, it should default to the states.
Now if you want me to subsidize everyone's sexual activity that's not going to happen either, it's not like birth control is impossible to get today anyways. Condoms are already free at many health clinics but that's not your point. You want me to compromise on a financial stand against subsidizing lifestyle choices for a social and moral issue I find reprehensible.
Quote:That doesn't mean that they will be able to provide for them.
They get pregnant. They lose their part time job. They have to drop out of college.
Alternately, they get pregnant, their parents kick them out, and they have to drop out of high school. No father to provide support for them. I don't see you arguing for making the father provide for the child, even though he's also 'responsible' enough to have unprotected sex. (And of course he doesn't have to carry the child around for 40 weeks)
Financial concerns is one of the top reasons people have abortions.
Also keep in mind that many abortions are performed because contraception failed.
The usual liberal argument is a "women's right to choose what she can and can't do with her body". I fail to see in any argument that liberals tend to put forth that has anything to do with the male in question.
With that being said, what right(s) should the male have regarding an "unwanted" or "unexpected" pregnancy? Say the "mother" is a do nothing kind of person? Should she alone have the right to determine the baby's future or lack thereof?
If it's all because of financial issues, perhaps the "mother" should invest a few dollars in some kind of protection prior to having willful unprotected sex. The same goes for a potential "father".
It all comes down to personal responsibility. If a "poor" girl and a "poor" guy decide to have unprotected sex, then they should be accountable and be responsible enough to suffer the consequences period. We all learn from a very early age about "where babies come from".
Quote:So the implication is only liberals get abortions and conservatives do not? Liberals take no personal responsibility, be conservatives do by nature? I wanna make sure I have this right.
Did you forget what you are arguing for? or did I say that too fast........