Quote:Most people on the board seem to want the Jags to sign him to a 2nd contract. I'm just laying down the parameters or rather limits to not reach.
Where have "most people" said anything of the sort? Once again, the queen of hyperbole has spoken.
Quote:Yeah, I had to check the date very quickly because I had the same reaction.
I also thought it was a new injury or a major setback with the earlier injury. Glad to see that isn't the case.
Quote:I'm guessing Shorts' agent is going to be using the Decker contract as a template
Which would be dumb because Shorts isn't gonna get Decker money.
Shorts' agent should use Doug Baldwin's recent new contract as a template. 3 years, 13 million with 8.5 guaranteed. I think that's closer to what Shorts will get. Both have similar career numbers.
Quote:Which would be dumb because Shorts isn't gonna get Decker money.
Shorts' agent should use Doug Baldwin's recent new contract as a template. 3 years, 13 million with 8.5 guaranteed. I think that's closer to what Shorts will get. Both have similar career numbers.
If its similar to those numbers, I'd be much more receptive to keeping Shorts around for a second deal (pending a good trade offer isn't out there)
But I think you are underestimating what Shorts will command on this current market.
Riley Cooper has done less than Shorts careerwise, and got a deal $$$ higher than the above.
Short's agent will likely seek a deal at or just below Eric Decker money.
Agreed. Decker has averaged 80/1000/11 over the past 3 years. The Decker template just doesn't work. Baldwin is a closer comparison.
Quote:Which would be dumb because Shorts isn't gonna get Decker money.
Shorts' agent should use Doug Baldwin's recent new contract as a template. 3 years, 13 million with 8.5 guaranteed. I think that's closer to what Shorts will get. Both have similar career numbers.
Quote:Agreed. Decker has averaged 80/1000/11 over the past 3 years. The Decker template just doesn't work. Baldwin is a closer comparison.
Yeah, I think Baldwin's numbers are closer to reality for Shorts unless he has a breakout year.
Quote:Agreed. Decker has averaged 80/1000/11 over the past 3 years. The Decker template just doesn't work. Baldwin is a closer comparison.
Its less than that.
Decker is averaging 72/ 988/ 10 over the last 3 seasons.
And he has (had) the benefit of Peyton the last 2. In year 2 (of his 4 year career), w/o Peyton, Decker's numbers were "decent" but nothing special.
Deckers numbers this season will plummet back to reality.
Short's agent is likely to be seeking significantly more than Doug Baldwin money.
Quote:If its similar to those numbers, I'd be much more receptive to keeping Shorts around for a second deal (pending a good trade offer isn't out there)
But I think you are underestimating what Shorts will command on this current market.
Riley Cooper has done less than Shorts careerwise, and got a deal $$$ higher than the above.
Short's agent will likely seek a deal at or just below Eric Decker money.
His agent can seek whatever deal he wants. What he'll get here and what he wants are not the same figure I would imagine.
Quote:If its similar to those numbers, I'd be much more receptive to keeping Shorts around for a second deal (pending a good trade offer isn't out there)
But I think you are underestimating what Shorts will command on this current market.
Riley Cooper has done less than Shorts careerwise, and got a deal $$$ higher than the above.
Short's agent will likely seek a deal at or just below Eric Decker money.
Even Cooper's deal isn't so bad either. 5 years, 22.5 million with 10 million guaranteed. Jags can easily afford that and it's only two years longer than Baldwin's and 1.5 million more guaranteed. Seems pretty team friendly if you ask me. Besides to get all the money, I'm sure it depends on games played, Pro Bowl appearances, etc.
I don't know if I see the Jags going 5 years with Shorts, because Caldwell seems like the 3-4 year contracts type of guy, but a deal similar to Cooper's isn't
that bad. A deal like Decker, though, no thanks.
Quote:Even Cooper's deal isn't so bad either. 5 years, 22.5 million with 10 million guaranteed. Jags can easily afford that and it's only two years longer than Baldwin's and 1.5 million more guaranteed. Seems pretty team friendly if you ask me. Besides to get all the money, I'm sure it depends on games played, Pro Bowl appearances, etc.
I don't know if I see the Jags going 5 years with Shorts, because Caldwell seems like the 3-4 year contracts type of guy, but a deal similar to Cooper's isn't that bad. A deal like Decker, though, no thanks.
Agreed. Someone here is acting like Cooper is getting paid like one of the top receivers.
I also agree that Shorts more than likely gets a 4 year deal at most. Again, a lot of this depends on how he does this year. His production over the past 2 seasons helps, but the injury thing plays a factor into what the team is going to be willing to negotiate.
Quote:If its similar to those numbers, I'd be much more receptive to keeping Shorts around for a second deal (pending a good trade offer isn't out there)
But I think you are underestimating what Shorts will command on this current market.
Riley Cooper has done less than Shorts careerwise, and got a deal $$$ higher than the above.
Short's agent will likely seek a deal at or just below Eric Decker money.
Cooper and Shorts have very similar stats.
Cooper has more TDs and a better YPC
Shorts has more Yds and Rec.
25mil over 5 years with 8 mil guaranteed wouldn't be a bad contract for Shorts.
Depending on the progression of Lee Hurns and Robinson however, this all may be moot. There might be no intention of resigning Shorts.
Quote:Even Cooper's deal isn't so bad either. 5 years, 22.5 million with 10 million guaranteed. Jags can easily afford that and it's only two years longer than Baldwin's and 1.5 million more guaranteed. Seems pretty team friendly if you ask me. Besides to get all the money, I'm sure it depends on games played, Pro Bowl appearances, etc.
I don't know if I see the Jags going 5 years with Shorts, because Caldwell seems like the 3-4 year contracts type of guy, but a deal similar to Cooper's isn't that bad. A deal like Decker, though, no thanks.
Uh, yes, but as said, Cooper got that $$$ deal AND has less career numbers than Shorts, ergo, Short's agent isn't going to be stopping there ^^. He's going to be seeking a deal very close to Decker money, especially accounting for the increase in the salary cap.
The scary thing is that if Bortles gets into the starting lineup early in the season the WRs are going to put up inflated numbers. Shorts will get paid. Only if it's Henne all the way then there's a chance he gets a Baldwin kind of deal.
Quote:Cooper and Shorts have very similar stats.
Last season was Coopers first season of doing anything of relevance. They are not "very similar". Shorts has already had 2 (Riley Cooper 2013) type seasons.
Golden Tate got 5 yr/30 million and has similar stats.
Quote:Its less than that.
Decker is averaging 72/ 988/ 10 over the last 3 seasons.
And he has (had) the benefit of Peyton the last 2. In year 2 (of his 4 year career), w/o Peyton, Decker's numbers were "decent" but nothing special.
Deckers numbers this season will plummet back to reality.
Short's agent is likely to be seeking significantly more than Doug Baldwin money.
shorts also isnt going to be brought to another team to be a "#1" guy.
eric decker got paid number 1 money and is expected to be their number 1 receiver.
Quote:The scary thing is that if Bortles gets into the starting lineup early in the season the WRs are going to put up inflated numbers. Shorts will get paid. Only if it's Henne all the way then there's a chance he gets a Baldwin kind of deal.
Not scary, more like good. It artificially inflates Short's trade value. Or at the very least inflates the compensatory pick value if we let him walk because he's going to command too much cash per his actual talent.
If Bortles is making Shorts look that good, he's going to also be making Lee/ Robinson/ Hurns look good also, and they're all a higher ceiling than Shorts.
Quote:shorts also isnt going to be brought to another team to be a "#1" guy.
eric decker got paid number 1 money and is expected to be their number 1 receiver.
Bingo.
If Lee and Robinson show their abilities, and Blackmon returns, there may be even less of an incentive to extend his deal, or to pay him at the levels discussed.
Quote:Golden Tate got 5 yr/30 million and has similar stats.
This is or will likely be the floor or (starting point) for Short's agent regarding his new deal.
Quote:The scary thing is that if Bortles gets into the starting lineup early in the season the WRs are going to put up inflated numbers. Shorts will get paid. Only if it's Henne all the way then there's a chance he gets a Baldwin kind of deal.
If the receivers are putting up inflated numbers, I'd call that a good thing. If it means paying for that increased production to keep the continuity on the offense, I'm sure Khan will have little issue in doing so.