Quote:Of course. If any QB is ruined you can just claim the QB didn't have the mythical "it" and call it a day, and then the other side is left trying to prove a negative. It's a pretty common tactic.
And I think Newton is a pretty classic case of a QB who has hit a ceiling and will never achieve a higher level until he revamps his mechanics to become a much more accurate QB. He's still the same exact guy who came into the league 3 years ago. Basically the same comp% and same passer rating in Year 3 that he had as a rookie. It's a shame. He could have been so much more than this.
Are you suggesting the reason Newton hasn't got any better is because he has started from day 1?
Also if a QB is 'ruined' by playing a few bad football games, he was never going to have the mental toughness to succeed.
Quote:Are you suggesting the reason Newton hasn't got any better is because he has started from day 1?
Also if a QB is 'ruined' by playing a few bad football games, he was never going to have the mental toughness to succeed.
Thank you for quoting that. I didn't see the edit and was well worth the lolz.
I like the idea of letting the O-Line gel and using Henne as the heavy bag, before Bortles is starting games. I do think a rookie QB under immediate and constant pocket duress can negatively impact his future.
I think there is value in breaking down NFL game tape to get a better understanding of how defenses try to attack and confuse QBs at this level. Even if he isn't on the field, that will help his development. Obviously working with the coaches on mechanics and footwork will help as well. But experience is the greatest teacher. At some point you have to take the diapers off and hope he doesn't wet the bed. When it happens, it happens.
If he can learn it all on the bench, that assumes once Blake hits the field he won't get any better or worse. That isn't the case.
It depends on the coaches, do they have a solid plan? Will it work? Any team can sit their player for a year, but can you teach him what he needs to learn during that time? I think our staff can.
Quote:Ask Aaron Rodgers.
Yep, or McNabb or Brady...
Quote:Maybe we should have sat Gabbert for 3 years.
....at least 1 year would have been smart.
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Also if a QB is 'ruined' by playing a few bad football games, he was never going to have the mental toughness to succeed.
....and there we go. The first cLoWn post.
Thats what many people were saying when we threw Gabbert in there immediately.
Quote:I like the idea of letting the O-Line gel and using Henne as the heavy bag, before Bortles is starting games. I do think a rookie QB under immediate and constant pocket duress can negatively impact his future.
Ah, the cerebral approach. :thumbsup:
but some say....
NOEZ!!! HENEEDSTOZSTARTGAME1IFHEZCANNOTHANDLEITTHENTEHSUCKZANYWAYZ!!!!!!!!
(The Jack Del Macho approach, i.e. moron)
Quote:Yep, or McNabb or Brady...
....at least 1 year would have been smart.
....and there we go. The first cLoWn post.
Thats what many people were saying when we threw Gabbert in there immediately.
Or you can ask Manning, Flacco and Wilson. It works both ways.
You have to be tough to play this game, you cant wrap players in cotton wool to protect their sensitive little fweelings that might get booboos if they throw a pick or lose a game. If Blaine Gabbert was ruined because his own sucky performance made his delicate little feelings get hurty wurted, then he is not man enough to lead an NFL team.
As it is, its pretty clear to anyone who has watched the reason Gabbert sucked is because he isn't very good.
1983 Draft Class - Round 1
Elway #1 and Marino #27 started from Day 1
Eason #15 and O'Brien #24 sat out for the better part of the year.
Just saying ....for every Aaron Rogers there is a bust as well.
I think each person develops in their own way .... there is no magic formula.
Working on his mechanics is something that is going to take time. He's going to get extra reps before or after practices to work on these issues.
Learning the playbook and mastering that will be a process as well. He's not going to get a ton of reps during the regular weekly practices when they're installing the offense for a particular game, so he's going to have to take (as David Garrard put it) a lot of mental reps.
Most of his experience is probably going to come from standing on the sideline watching the game unfold. I suspect he'll also get an opportunity to get on the field late in games to see how he's progressing.
Quote:Working on his mechanics is something that is going to take time. He's going to get extra reps before or after practices to work on these issues.
Learning the playbook and mastering that will be a process as well. He's not going to get a ton of reps during the regular weekly practices when they're installing the offense for a particular game, so he's going to have to take (as David Garrard put it) a lot of mental reps.
Most of his experience is probably going to come from standing on the sideline watching the game unfold. I suspect he'll also get an opportunity to get on the field late in games to see how he's progressing.
NO!!! HE MUST PLAY IMMEDIATELY!!!! BECAUSE I WANT THAT!!! <BANGS FISTS ON TABLE> <KICKS DOOR> <POUTS>
Quote:NO!!! HE MUST PLAY IMMEDIATELY!!!! BECAUSE I WANT THAT!!! <BANGS FISTS ON TABLE> <KICKS DOOR> <POUTS>
He's going to play this year. I just don't see him starting unless Henne is injured. I'm sure they're going to want to look at his progress by getting him into games when the situation calls for it, and that will not only serve as a way of measuring his development, but also to help build his confidence, and allow him to adjust to the speed of the game.
I know this is going to disappoint the start him early crowd, but they'll just have to take a deep breath and relax.
I definitely don't want Bortles to start. I'm totally happy with him coming into the game late in the 4th with the game totally out of reach. It's great experience to build on without all the pressure and it's the necessary baby steps you need to take to get him adjusted to the speed of the next level..
Quote:I definitely don't want Bortles to start. I'm totally happy with him coming into the game late in the 4th with the game totally out of reach. It's great experience to build on without all the pressure and it's the necessary baby steps you need to take to get him adjusted to the speed of the next level..
He's going to need a lot of work to address the footwork and mechanics issues. The kind of time required makes him fortunate to land in a situation where he doesn't have to be rushed into starting. He'll get plenty of reps in training camp, and he'll see more than his fair share of playing time in the preseason. Once the season starts, it'll be about continuing to develop the muscle memory for the mechanical issues, and the mental aspect of the game in watching film and studying. There is zero rush to get him on the field. There's no sense of urgency at all, and that's a good thing.
Quote:NO!!! HE MUST PLAY IMMEDIATELY!!!! BECAUSE I WANT THAT!!! <BANGS FISTS ON TABLE> <KICKS DOOR> <POUTS>
You are so mature.
An fMRI study would be really interesting on athletic performances based in the wait and sit or start right away approach. Sadly, I don't think it'd be a practical study.
Quote:You are so mature.
Hey, I'm just illustrating a certain sect of posters on this board with what you quoted.
Quote:1983 Draft Class - Round 1
Elway #1 and Marino #27 started from Day 1
Eason #15 and O'Brien #24 sat out for the better part of the year.
Just saying ....for every Aaron Rogers there is a bust as well.
I think each person develops in their own way .... there is no magic formula.
good point !
Quote:1983 Draft Class - Round 1
Elway #1 and Marino #27 started from Day 1
Eason #15 and O'Brien #24 sat out for the better part of the year.
Just saying ....for every Aaron Rogers there is a bust as well.
I think each person develops in their own way .... there is no magic formula.
If Bortles was as seasoned in college as Elway and Marino was, I am sure Bortles would then be starting from day 1 as well.
...and not for nothing, but O Brien and Eason weren't exactly chopped liver. Eason took his team to the SB in 1985, no? And O Brien had a several productive seasons, too.