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Quote:Depends on how they want to use Ziggy Hood.   He may have been a DE in Pittsburgh's 3-4, but he was a true 2 gapper and run clogger 5 tech.   Gus could be using him has a Mebane  1 in his defense.

Pretty sure Ziggy is coming in as a 3 tech to be Marks backup. He won't be used as a 2 gap run clogger...

Quote:Todman could run wild if Gerhart blocks for him like he did for AP

you do know Gerhart isn't a fullback right? Plus he'll be starting.

Quote:Right, but he also produced a 100 yard game when asked to make a spot start last season. 

 

Plus, he's only 24. 

 

His YPC is also impressive. 

 

So he had a good game.  Yippie...

 

It's going to be difficult for him to make this team if not for his return ability.

I think if Ace Sanders is deemed the punt returner, Doss' chances will be significantly diminished.

 

If Sanders carves out a big enough role on offense that they don't want to use him at PR, Doss will be a near lock to make it over Mike Brown IMO. 

 

 

Does anyone know if Doss is a gunner?

Quote:Todman could run wild if Gerhart blocks for him like he did for AP

Maybe you should pick a new hobby, football doesn't seem to be your thing.

Quote:So he had a good game.  Yippie...

 

It's going to be difficult for him to make this team if not for his return ability.

 

As the other poster stated.....give Doss a year with Sullivan rather than the trash he had in Baltimore...

 

Shorts already has Sullivan - we've seen the most he can do. 

Quote:As the other poster stated.....give Doss a year with Sullivan rather than the trash he had in Baltimore...

 

Shorts already has Sullivan - we've seen the most he can do. 

 

The same trash that turned Torry Smith into a 1000 yard WR and got just under 49 catches and 7TDs out of an undrafted rookie?

Quote:The same trash that turned Torry Smith into a 1000 yard WR and got just under 49 catches and 7TDs out of an undrafted rookie?

Torrey Smith has not improved one bit since his rookie season. He was a significantly better prospect coming out of MD than Shorts was out of Mt Union and Shorts is a much better pro. Sure Smith had 1000 yards this past season, but it had far more to do with his role changing than improvement as a player. Marlon Brown, while undrafted, is a talented player and also benefited, from a stats standpoint anyway, form the departure of Anquan Boldin and injuries to Dennis Pitta and Jacoby Jones. Jim Hostler is not in the same class of coach as Jerry Sullivan. If he was, he would likely have been promoted to OC by the Ravens or offered a job by former Ravens OC Jim Caldwell upon his hiring as Lions HC rather than simply being let go.

Quote:The same trash that turned Torry Smith into a 1000 yard WR and got just under 49 catches and 7TDs out of an undrafted rookie?

 

Torrey Smith has expected to be that. Ho hum. 

Quote:Torrey Smith has expected to be that. Ho hum. 

 

Lots of players are expected to do lots of things, many don't. No doubt it would be the coaches fault if he didn't reach expectations in your little world where the things you say are not made up fantasies where you actually know what you're talking about.

 

Was undrafted rookie Marlon Brown expected to catch 49 balls and 7 TDs in 12 starts? When was the last time Saint Jerry of the chicken salad out of feathers got one of our UDFA rookies to produce anything close to that? Guess that means he is trash?

Quote:As the other poster stated.....give Doss a year with Sullivan rather than the trash he had in Baltimore...

 

Shorts already has Sullivan - we've seen the most he can do. 

 

You going to be mad when we re-sign Shorts? :yes:

Quote:You going to be mad when we re-sign Shorts? :yes:

He'll probably cry into his Jarrett Dillard jersey

Quote:Lots of players are expected to do lots of things, many don't. No doubt it would be the coaches fault if he didn't reach expectations in your little world where the things you say are not made up fantasies where you actually know what you're talking about.


Was undrafted rookie Marlon Brown expected to catch 49 balls and 7 TDs in 12 starts? When was the last time Saint Jerry of the chicken salad out of feathers got one of our UDFA rookies to produce anything close to that? Guess that means he is trash?

Well, Marlon Brown is better than any UDFA WR that Jerry Sullivan has coached in Jax. He is also 6'5" 215lbs and got a a ton of red zone targets from a QB who is actually efficient in the red zone. I happen to watch quite a bit of Ravens football and follow the Ravens very closely and from my own observation regarding the development, or lack there of, of Ravens receivers as well as information from people who cover the team (Aaron Wilson of the Baltimore Sun, Tony Lombardi of Russell Street Report, Matt Zenitz of the Carroll County Times) I can tell you that Jim Hostler was not on the same level as Jerry Sullivan as a WR coach. As I said in my earlier post, if he were he would still be with the Ravens.

Quote:Well, Marlon Brown is better than any UDFA WR that Jerry Sullivan has coached in Jax. He is also 6'5" 215lbs and got a a ton of red zone targets from a QB who is actually efficient in the red zone. I happen to watch quite a bit of Ravens football and follow the Ravens very closely and from my own observation regarding the development, or lack there of, of Ravens receivers as well as information from people who cover the team (Aaron Wilson of the Baltimore Sun, Tony Lombardi of Russell Street Report, Matt Zenitz of the Carroll County Times) I can tell you that Jim Hostler was not on the same level as Jerry Sullivan as a WR coach. As I said in my earlier post, if he were he would still be with the Ravens.

 

they just have to do whatever they can to downgrade Tandon Doss and prop up Cecil. 

Quote:Well, Marlon Brown is better than any UDFA WR that Jerry Sullivan has coached in Jax. He is also 6'5" 215lbs and got a a ton of red zone targets from a QB who is actually efficient in the red zone. I happen to watch quite a bit of Ravens football and follow the Ravens very closely and from my own observation regarding the development, or lack there of, of Ravens receivers as well as information from people who cover the team (Aaron Wilson of the Baltimore Sun, Tony Lombardi of Russell Street Report, Matt Zenitz of the Carroll County Times) I can tell you that Jim Hostler was not on the same level as Jerry Sullivan as a WR coach. As I said in my earlier post, if he were he would still be with the Ravens.

 

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You can't tell me that because you don't sit in practices, you don't watch his drills and even if you did, there is no objective way for you or anyone to assess the impact, positive or negative on a players game by a coach. Generally the people who try and do that are arrogant trolls who think that watching a few games of football a week means they know which positional coaches do their job well.

 

Maybe Brown and Smith would be superstars were it not for their coaches negative impact, maybe he has squeezed every last drop of talent out of them. You don't know, I don't know, heck even the players and coaches themselves probably couldn't assess it accurately.

 

Even if Sullivan is that much better than any coach Tandon Doss has ever had, is he suddenly, in his 3rd year in the league with just 20 catches to his name, going to become a good WR? Its possible, but history says its very, very unlikely, certainly not to the extent where he is going to displace the man who is unquestionably our best WR.

Quote:As the other poster stated.....give Doss a year with Sullivan rather than the trash he had in Baltimore...

 

Shorts already has Sullivan - we've seen the most he can do. 

You might want to pay attention to what the coaches are saying coming out of these OTAs. 

 

Gus basically laid it out yesterday that there was Cecil, and then there was the rest of the receiving group. 

 

Tell us how that's coach speak, please.  When Jerry Sullivan has spoken very highly of Shorts, and said that he completely disregards the rookie season since he wasn't his coach, then goes on to talk about just how good Shorts can become if he continues to work on things, he contradicts your declaration that we've seen Cecil's ceiling.  But, what does Sullivan know?  He's just a position coach.  An internet wannabe certainly knows better.

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You can't tell me that because you don't sit in practices, you don't watch his drills and even if you did, there is no objective way for you or anyone to assess the impact, positive or negative on a players game by a coach. Generally the people who try and do that are arrogant trolls who think that watching a few games of football a week means they know which positional coaches do their job well.

 

Maybe Brown and Smith would be superstars were it not for their coaches negative impact, maybe he has squeezed every last drop of talent out of them. You don't know, I don't know, heck even the players and coaches themselves probably couldn't assess it accurately.

 

Even if Sullivan is that much better than any coach Tandon Doss has ever had, is he suddenly, in his 3rd year in the league with just 20 catches to his name, going to become a good WR? Its possible, but history says its very, very unlikely, certainly not to the extent where he is going to displace the man who is unquestionably our best WR.

 

Well stated, but a whole lot of wasted energy considering the target audience.

Quote:they just have to do whatever they can to downgrade Tandon Doss and prop up Cecil. 

 

Quote:they just have to do whatever they can to downgrade Tandon Doss and prop up Cecil. 

 

Downgrade Tandon Doss?

 

The man was brought in on a near vet minimum contract to fight for the punt return and 5th WR spot. Its not downgrading him to say that, its the truth. Doss's aim for 2014 is to make and stick with the team by playing STs and WR in a pinch, Shorts' is to lead the team in receptions, TDs and go over 1000 yards. They are on totally different paths at this moment in time. It really is time to put all those silly little boy knee jerks from draft day all those years ago to bed.

 

I'd love nothing more than for whatever light needs to come on to come on and for him (or anyone) to be the WR we've been missing since J-Smooth. I really don't mind who that man is, as I don't have a bunch of misguided bizarre rants from 3 years ago to defend, but its so very unlikely to be Doss, that putting any eggs in that basket is so unbelievably foolish, its laughable.

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You can't tell me that because you don't sit in practices, you don't watch his drills and even if you did, there is no objective way for you or anyone to assess the impact, positive or negative on a players game by a coach. Generally the people who try and do that are arrogant trolls who think that watching a few games of football a week means they know which positional coaches do their job well.


Maybe Brown and Smith would be superstars were it not for their coaches negative impact, maybe he has squeezed every last drop of talent out of them. You don't know, I don't know, heck even the players and coaches themselves probably couldn't assess it accurately.


Even if Sullivan is that much better than any coach Tandon Doss has ever had, is he suddenly, in his 3rd year in the league with just 20 catches to his name, going to become a good WR? Its possible, but history says its very, very unlikely, certainly not to the extent where he is going to displace the man who is unquestionably our best WR.

This area has a very strong local sports media, so I tend to hold what they say in pretty high regard. Also, it is clear that the difference between Cecil Shorts as a rookie and Cecil in his first year with Sullivan and beyond are night and day. I believe that Sullivan has a lot to do with that and that belief is supported by how highly Sullivan is regarded around the organization and the league. It is also clear that Torrey Smith, Tandon Doss, Marcus Smith and others have not or did not improve under Hostler. That coupled with the fact that Hostler was allowed to walk and the fact that he wasn't highly regarded in the Raven organization, per Wilson, Lombardi and others, led to my opinion of him as a coach. I'm not in Mike Tomlin's practices and I wasn't in Mike Mularkey's practices, but I'll offer the opinion that Tomlin's is a better head coach than Mularkey. These are all opinions.


As far as Doss goes, I think he was a similar talent to Shorts coming out of college and I think he can be similar with the same opportunity and coaching in the league. Another opinion that could be right or wrong. Also, I never claimed he could replace Shorts, this team needs Shorts going forward.