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So is Otto basically a strong side backer who plays close and can rush or cover? I'm confuzzled.

Quote:So is Otto basically a strong side backer who plays close and can rush or cover? I'm confuzzled.

 

Pretty much.  He's a linebacker used as a pass rusher opposite the LEO.  But like the LEO pass rushing isn't his only responsibility.

I hope Leroy Reynolds develops into solid depth. I would hate for Dekota to have an early season injury at a position that seems to be important.

Quote:So is Otto basically a strong side backer who plays close and can rush or cover? I'm confuzzled.

Pretty much. Which we did not have last year.

Seahawk fan here. I've been reading the board for a while and figured it's time to signup and join the discussion. I've been following the Jaguars since Bradley took over as head coach and with a few favorite of my ex-seahawks joining your team, I've sort of adopted the Jaguars as my favorie AFC team.

 

As to the new "OTTO" linebacker position, it sounds very similar to the same position/responsiblity that Seattle has it's current SLB Bruce Irvin playing. Seattle has only changed to this scheme since last season as it takes the right type of player to handle the duties of the position. At the same time, it takes the right type of LEO to make sure it works, as well.

 

The way Seattle plays it's defense, both the LEO and SAM are interchangeable in what they are asked to do. They will both be blitzing, dropping in coverage, or setting the edge. Sometimes each doing so at the same time. The difficulty for opposing offense is that they won't know which player will be rushing and which will be dropping back. If your SLB is a good rusher and gets one-on-one isolation with a tightend. Game over. So while I would expect the SAM position for your team to change, I would also look for the LEO position to change the way it's played, too.

 

OT: The Jaguars KILLED the draft. Bortles may not be as developed in his craft to be a day 1 starter, but they took the right QB imo. I watched Bortles during the draft process and he showed the best leadership qualities out of any other QB in this draft. Allen Robinson was one of my favorite WR in this years class and Lee was a straight up steal, with a huge upside. The rest of the picks don't know as much about.

 

I guess you need an athletic Qb with speed to play the position.  If the LB plays that close tot he LOS he has to have the speed to drop back in coverage.

Sounds like we're a 3-4 defense trying to pretend we are a 4-3 defense lol. 

Quote:Sounds like we're a 3-4 defense trying to pretend we are a 4-3 defense lol. 

 

 

Close. I've been saying since last year that the Jaguars basically play a 3-4 disguised as a 4-3.

Quote:Close. I've been saying since last year that the Jaguars basically play a 3-4 disguised as a 4-3.

where you been 02? Don't see you around much any more

So, what's the point?  

 

Get the best of both worlds?  (3-4 and 4-3)?

 

Or is it that it may just be easier to find the right pieces for our defense in lower rounds?....

Quote:So, what's the point?  

 

Get the best of both worlds?  (3-4 and 4-3)?

 

Or is it that it may just be easier to find the right pieces for our defense in lower rounds?....

I'd imagine it would allow them to disguise their plays extremely well having LBers that can play both 4-3 and 3-4 at any given time. 

Quote:where you been 02? Don't see you around much any more

 

 

I'm starting to come back around more. For a while there after we switched to this board my log-in wasn't working properly prompting me to be on Facebook more, plus OT at work has kept me busy.


 

As for the LBs in this scheme, are they forced to sacrifice potential depth in order to field both 3-4 and 4-3 LBs among their LB roster spots?

Quote:As for the LBs in this scheme, are they forced to sacrifice potential depth in order to field both 3-4 and 4-3 LBs among their LB roster spots?

A LB could swing between the Mike and the Otto or between the Mike and the Will but it will be hard for a player to play well at all 3 spots.

 

However some of our defensive ends could be tested at OTTO (like Bruce Irvin was) to offset that lack of depth at LB.

Quote:Seahawk fan here. I've been reading the board for a while and figured it's time to signup and join the discussion. I've been following the Jaguars since Bradley took over as head coach and with a few favorite of my ex-seahawks joining your team, I've sort of adopted the Jaguars as my favorie AFC team.

 

As to the new "OTTO" linebacker position, it sounds very similar to the same position/responsiblity that Seattle has it's current SLB Bruce Irvin playing. Seattle has only changed to this scheme since last season as it takes the right type of player to handle the duties of the position. At the same time, it takes the right type of LEO to make sure it works, as well.

 

The way Seattle plays it's defense, both the LEO and SAM are interchangeable in what they are asked to do. They will both be blitzing, dropping in coverage, or setting the edge. Sometimes each doing so at the same time. The difficulty for opposing offense is that they won't know which player will be rushing and which will be dropping back. If your SLB is a good rusher and gets one-on-one isolation with a tightend. Game over. So while I would expect the SAM position for your team to change, I would also look for the LEO position to change the way it's played, too.

 

OT: The Jaguars KILLED the draft. Bortles may not be as developed in his craft to be a day 1 starter, but they took the right QB imo. I watched Bortles during the draft process and he showed the best leadership qualities out of any other QB in this draft. Allen Robinson was one of my favorite WR in this years class and Lee was a straight up steal, with a huge upside. The rest of the picks don't know as much about.

 

Hey thanks for a little more insight on this. I can't help but root for the Hawks a bit considering Bradley's ties there are really helping us a lot in this rebuild.

Quote:Seahawk fan here. I've been reading the board for a while and figured it's time to signup and join the discussion. I've been following the Jaguars since Bradley took over as head coach and with a few favorite of my ex-seahawks joining your team, I've sort of adopted the Jaguars as my favorie AFC team.

 

As to the new "OTTO" linebacker position, it sounds very similar to the same position/responsiblity that Seattle has it's current SLB Bruce Irvin playing. Seattle has only changed to this scheme since last season as it takes the right type of player to handle the duties of the position. At the same time, it takes the right type of LEO to make sure it works, as well.

 

The way Seattle plays it's defense, both the LEO and SAM are interchangeable in what they are asked to do. They will both be blitzing, dropping in coverage, or setting the edge. Sometimes each doing so at the same time. The difficulty for opposing offense is that they won't know which player will be rushing and which will be dropping back. If your SLB is a good rusher and gets one-on-one isolation with a tightend. Game over. So while I would expect the SAM position for your team to change, I would also look for the LEO position to change the way it's played, too.

 

OT: The Jaguars KILLED the draft. Bortles may not be as developed in his craft to be a day 1 starter, but they took the right QB imo. I watched Bortles during the draft process and he showed the best leadership qualities out of any other QB in this draft. Allen Robinson was one of my favorite WR in this years class and Lee was a straight up steal, with a huge upside. The rest of the picks don't know as much about.

 

Thanks for posting and come back often! Your post has helped this Defense / Defensive Philosophy to crystallize in my head a little more. When the team signed Dekoda Watson, they stated that they liked him at Strongside Linebacker but would also use him to pass rush. Now that you've stated that the SAM and LEO are interchangeable players, this makes more sense to me.

 

I agree with the article that stated the OTTO LB is an effort to bring a "46" flavor to the Defense, but it's a bit difficult for me to visualize this using just four DL (counting the LEO as a DL). It's going to be a lot of fun to watch this Defense develop.

Quote:So, what's the point?


Get the best of both worlds? (3-4 and 4-3)?




Or is it that it may just be easier to find the right pieces for our defense in lower rounds?....

That how I see it. It's more about a fit than can this guy be special and do more than his job. This scheme can make guys like Dakoda look like a stud

Sounds like a bunch of mumbo jumbo jargon to make this defense sound cool and vicious.

Quote:Sounds like a bunch of mumbo jumbo jargon to make this defense sound cool and vicious.

 

The best defense is 4-3 cover 2 zone where the 4 down lineman can pressure the qb.  Which JDR tried to install but Smith and Harris kept acquiring scrubs.

Quote:The best defense is 4-3 cover 2 zone where the 4 down lineman can pressure the qb. Which JDR tried to install but Smith and Harris kept acquiring scrubs.

Why is that?