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Quote:I'm not, are you?....LOL, do you actually think the difference of having SHorts on the roster as opposed to someone else really makes that much difference as to the W/ L thinking??

 

Going forward, this team isn't winning any more games with Shorts than without him. 

 

 

 

I'm not saying he is an elite receiver in the NFL, but he makes this team better.  We get worse if we lose him.

Quote:I'm not saying he is an elite receiver in the NFL, but he makes this team better.  We get worse if we lose him.

 

Read what I added to that post. 

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He's decent, but I see both Lee and Robinson as better players, and in the end Shorts will be lucky to be beating out Sanders for reps. 

 

 

Then let them prove it on the football field rather than internet messageboards.     If you think rookie WRs are sure things, you're not familiar with the alarming attrition rates of drafted WRs  who make it in the NFL.      You would think a fan who's watched Matt Jones, Reggie Williams, RJ Soward and Justin Blackmon firsthand would be well aware of that.     

 

And heaven forbid the Jaguars put out an 11 personnel package with 3 receiving targets that a defense has to account for (especially when 2 of them are playing on dirt cheap rookie contracts for the next 4 years).   You do realize that roughly 40-50% of all total NFL offensive snaps are run in 3 WRs sets ? 

 

And any 26 year old WR who can torch Joe Haden for a last minute game winning TD has a place on my roster. 

Quote:Then let them prove it on the football field rather than internet messageboards.    

 

If you think rookie WRs are sure things, you're not familiar with the alarming attrition rates of drafted WRs  who make it in the NFL.      You would think a fan who's watched Matt Jones, Reggie Williams, RJ Soward and Justin Blackmon firsthand would be well aware of that.     

 

Ummm, I think I know about that. I've been watching football for 30 years. 

 

I think it speaks more to how high I am on the WR we got. 

 

I was never all that high on the Matt Joneses/ Reggie Williams' of the world. Yeah, if we had THAT group coming in as draft picks, then I'd be more apt to keep a guy like Shorts at all costs. 

 

I also think people forget we added Tandon Doss, and I do not think he was merely signed as a return guy. He was starting to show flashes the past year. He's only 24 as well. I am confident Sullivan could get Cecil SHorts' level production (going forward) from Doss. 

If Blackmon comes back for the 2015 season, we let Shorts walk. If he doesn't, then we see how Shorts plays this year with the 2 young bucks and decide after the season.

Quote:If Blackmon comes back for the 2015 season, we let Shorts walk. If he doesn't, then we see how Shorts plays this year with the 2 young bucks and decide after the season.

 

If you sign Shorts long term before that point, then there is no "just letting him walk". 

Quote:If Blackmon comes back for the 2015 season, we let Shorts walk. 

 

And if Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny have a love child with Jerry Rice, we'll draft him in the 1st round and trade off Lee and Robison. 

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I also think people forget we added Tandon Doss, and I do not think he was merely signed as a return guy. He was starting to show flashes the past year. He's only 24 as well. I am confident Sullivan could get Cecil SHorts' level production (going forward) from Doss. 

 

The Ravens may have been the only team in the NFL with a worse WR situation than the Jaguars last year, and Doss stepped up to contribute a whopping 19 receptions for 305 yards in what the organization was counting to be  his "breakout year".    The Superbowl winning organization sunk a mid round pick into him and didn't even think he was worthy of a RFA tender after 3 years. 

Quote:The Ravens may have been the only team in the NFL with a worse WR situation than the Jaguars last year, and Doss stepped up to contribute a whopping 19 receptions for 305 yards in what the organization was counting to be  his "breakout year".    The Superbowl winning organization sunk a mid round pick into him and didn't even think he was worthy of a RFA tender after 3 years. 

 

The Ravens issues on offense went farther than the Raven's WR, and you oversell how bad their WR's were. They were better than our group without Blackmon. 

 

Not sure what you expected from Doss. In his spot start last year he got 100 yards and a TD, IIRC, 

Quote:The Ravens issues on offense went farther than the Raven's WR, and you oversell how bad their WR's were. They were better than our group without Blackmon. 

 

Not sure what you expected from Doss. In his spot start last year he got 100 yards and a TD, IIRC, 

Smith and Pita > Shorts and Lewis.

Quote:The Ravens issues on offense went farther than the Raven's WR, and you oversell how bad their WR's were. They were better than our group without Blackmon. 

 

Not sure what you expected from Doss. In his spot start last year he got 100 yards and a TD, IIRC, 

 

The Ravens were absolutely desperate for a #2 WR after Jacoby Jones messed up his knee.    Doss, a 3rd year vet and former mid round pick, got leapfrogged by an undrafted free agent rookie for the job.   

 

Evidently the Ravens didn't expect much from Doss, which is why they didn't even think he was worth a RFA tender. 

Quote:The Ravens were absolutely desperate for a #2 WR after Jacoby Jones messed up his knee.    Doss, a 3rd year vet and former mid round pick, got leapfrogged by an undrafted free agent rookie for the job.   

 

Evidently the Ravens didn't expect much from Doss, which is why they didn't even think he was worth a RFA tender. 

 

Or the Raven's gambled that they could re-sign Doss cheaper/ without the committment, and lost. 

Quote:Or the Raven's gambled that they could re-sign Doss cheaper/ without the committment, and lost. 

 

The Ravens had $28 million dollars of cap space to spend coming into this offseason.  

 

If a team doesn't want to gamble a whopping 1.46 million dollar "commitment" on you having watched you up close for 3 years, they obviously don't think you're very good at football and perfectly at ease with "losing"  you.  

Quote:The Ravens had $28 million dollars of cap space to spend coming into this offseason.  

 

If a team doesn't want to gamble a whopping 1.46 million dollar "commitment" on you having watched you up close for 3 years, they obviously don't think you're very good at football and perfectly at ease with "losing"  you.  

 

Well teams do make those kinds of gambles. I thought I read somewhere that the Ravens were hoping to re-sign him in the offseason, but I could be wrong there. 

 

I still maintain that I anticipate Doss' surprising a few here with his receiving, once Sullivan gets the chance to work with him. 

Id rather we keep him, Hope we sign him to a long deal(for as cheap as possible lol)

From the comments I read from Caldwell and Bradley about Doss, he was brought in as a Special Teams ace, sort of like Kassim Osgood.  He can play all four special teams, and he lead the league in punt returns if I recall the interviews correctly. 

 

I wouldn't expect much receiving production from Doss, but I think he will be active each week for Special Teams duties, and he can run routes in a pinch.  He will probably be our 5th or 6th leading WR when the season is over.

 

1. Lee 2. Robinson 3. Shorts 4.Sanders 5. Brown 6. Doss

 

A lot of people think Robinson may lead the team in catches this year. 

Quote:From the comments I read from Caldwell and Bradley about Doss, he was brought in as a Special Teams ace, sort of like Kassim Osgood.  He can play all four special teams, and he lead the league in punt returns if I recall the interviews correctly. 

 

I wouldn't expect much receiving production from Doss, but I think he will be active each week for Special Teams duties, and he can run routes in a pinch.  He will probably be our 5th or 6th leading WR when the season is over.

 

1. Lee 2. Robinson 3. Shorts 4.Sanders 5. Brown 6. Doss

 

A lot of people think Robinson may lead the team in catches this year. 

 

i dont. if he is healthy, shorts will lead in receptions. by a large margin. 

Quote:i dont. if he is healthy, shorts will lead in receptions. by a large margin. 

 

LOL....

 

either you are underrating the talent of Robinson/ Lee, or you are really overrating Shorts. 

Quote:LOL....

 

either you are underrating the talent of Robinson/ Lee, or you are really overrating Shorts. 

 

how many rookie WRs do you think led their team in receptions in the past say, 5 seasons?

 

edit: im assuming this is another one of those posts that you will conveniently not have an answer for. 2 per 32 teams a year is about the average. that leaves about a 6% chance of that happening. 

Only 1 WR in the entire 2013 NFL rookie class combined last year had more receptions than Shorts, and now there's going to be 2 non-first round rookies on his same roster that easily beat him in receptions? 

 

Sounds legit.