Quote:Hey, off-topic, but I was watching NFL network waiting for the Bradley interview last night and caught "A football life: Randall Cunningham". What a fabulous program. I had forgotten just how incredible his skills were. Tons of fun watching the highlights of him making some of the best athletes in the NFL look absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention him launching the ball what seemed like 85 yards to the deep receivers on the run. Plus the 91 yd. punt... Honestly, I'd vote HOF for the guy, especially considering his multi-contributions to where the NFL is today.
Great show, great story.
Yeah, I saw it months ago, as well as having the opportunity to watch his career at the time. He was a very exciting player. Unfortunately, he was one of those QB who tried to get by too much on his athletic ability only....and that usually worked against most teams in the regular season.....but in the playoffs when you're facing better opponents and better coaches in a do or die scenario....Randall was often stymied. I remember Fritz Shurmur (I think it was) in the 1989 wild card game employing a 3-8 defense the whole game and Randall simply couldn't figure out how to beat it.
I said roughly 6% chance, jagsabc. Yeah Keenan Allen did it last year. Big deal, the odds are extremely low. Look at the math I did from the receptions per game post on the last page.
if you wanna bet on 6% chance, ill take a bet against that any day.
Quote:I said roughly 6% chance, jagsabc. Yeah Keenan Allen did it last year. Big deal, the odds are extremely low. Look at the math I did from the receptions per game post on the last page.
if you wanna bet on 6% chance, ill take a bet against that any day.
whats the 6% chance?....that Shorts finishes a whole season?
Quote:whats the 6% chance?....that Shorts finishes a whole season?
yeah, nice deflection. why would we want to talk about the point at hand?
CSIII is the Jaguars best WR. This makes no sense.
Quote:CSIII is the Jaguars best WR. This makes no sense.
Sure it does if you think a 4th round pick has more value than the production he's providing.
Quote:Sure it does if you think a 4th round pick has more value than the production he's providing.
i think i have been missing the point. they want us to trade cecil for a 4th, then we can draft cecil in the 4th again, and then enter a never ending loop of trading and drafting shorts. thus preventing him from ever aging or ever actually helping the team.
Quote:i think i have been missing the point. they want us to trade cecil for a 4th, then we can draft cecil in the 4th again, and then enter a never ending loop of trading and drafting shorts. thus preventing him from ever aging or ever actually helping the team.
You're starting to get with the program.
Trade our best WR when we just drafted our QB of the future?? Brilliant!!!
Quote:Trade our best WR when we just drafted our QB of the future?? Brilliant!!!
Isn't that really the best time to do so?
Quote:Trade our best WR when we just drafted our QB of the future?? Brilliant!!!
LOL.....Suddenly I'm reminded of similar comments made about 2-3 years ago when people scoffed at trading MoJo.....
People like you would scoff at the idea of trading ANY player, unless the player clearly had no value at all to the team and thus of course, couldn't net any return value in a trade, either.
People like you miss the bigger picture.
So you want to sign Cecil to a long term contract (that will be pricey; you're not getting him long term, cheap)....when in a year or 2 at the most, he's going to likely be finding PT scarce when Lee and Robinson are well into their ascent, combined with likely improvement/ further involvement from Sanders. Then of course, trading Shorts AT THAT TIME because of a more expensive contract, will prove tougher, if not impossible, and we'll be forced to either keep him on the roster at the bloated contract despite there not being enough footballs to go around.....or cut him and get nothing.....
Thats just brilliant and forward thinking,
jenius'es...
If you are going to try and get something for Shorts, this will be the opportune time. (between now and the trade deadline)
Quote:LOL.....Suddenly I'm reminded of similar comments made about 2-3 years ago when people scoffed at trading MoJo.....
People like you would scoff at the idea of trading ANY player, unless the player clearly had no value at all to the team and thus of course, couldn't net any return value in a trade, either.
People like you miss the bigger picture.
So you want to sign Cecil to a long term contract (that will be pricey; you're not getting him long term, cheap)....when in a year or 2 at the most, he's going to likely be finding PT scarce when Lee and Robinson are well into their ascent, combined with likely improvement/ further involvement from Sanders. Then of course, trading Shorts AT THAT TIME because of a more expensive contract, will prove tougher, if not impossible, and we'll be forced to either keep him on the roster at the bloated contract despite there not being enough footballs to go around.....or cut him and get nothing.....
Thats just brilliant and forward thinking, jenius'es...
If you are going to try and get something for Shorts, this will be the opportune time. (between now and the trade deadline)
except shorts is only a 26 year old wide receiver. not a 27 year old rb with a lot of mileage on his legs.
also there is only need for one premier rb on a team and we had jennings as a back up.
another issue is you have 3-4 WRs on the field at the same time. and you are hinging this whole thing on lee and robinson panning out. it might not happen. maybe one of them gets injured?
it just doesnt make sense. you just are putting yourself in a position to do one of those TMD "i told you so's"
I don't think it will be much to retain him long term. It's not like he has mounds of ammunition to demand top pay for the position. I doubt they pay it if he tries
Quote:except shorts is only a 26 year old wide receiver. not a 27 year old rb with a lot of mileage on his legs.
also there is only need for one premier rb on a team and we had jennings as a back up.
another issue is you have 3-4 WRs on the field at the same time. and you are hinging this whole thing on lee and robinson panning out. it might not happen. maybe one of them gets injured?
it just doesnt make sense. you just are putting yourself in a position to do one of those TMD "i told you so's"
Lee/ Robinson/ Sanders?......????......Last time I checked, thats 3. Not to mention, we don't know the ceilings of Copeland/ Doss/ Hurns that are there right now...
And additional capable FOURTH WR can be added next offseason, and MUCH cheaper for the role that we'll be asking of such. You wanna pay Shorts all that money to be essentially an insurance policy?? Dumb.
Quote:LOL.....Suddenly I'm reminded of similar comments made about 2-3 years ago when people scoffed at trading MoJo.....
People like you would scoff at the idea of trading ANY player, unless the player clearly had no value at all to the team and thus of course, couldn't net any return value in a trade, either.
People like you miss the bigger picture.
So you want to sign Cecil to a long term contract (that will be pricey; you're not getting him long term, cheap)....when in a year or 2 at the most, he's going to likely be finding PT scarce when Lee and Robinson are well into their ascent, combined with likely improvement/ further involvement from Sanders. Then of course, trading Shorts AT THAT TIME because of a more expensive contract, will prove tougher, if not impossible, and we'll be forced to either keep him on the roster at the bloated contract despite there not being enough footballs to go around.....or cut him and get nothing.....
Thats just brilliant and forward thinking, jenius'es...
If you are going to try and get something for Shorts, this will be the opportune time. (between now and the trade deadline)
That's an assumption on your part. The team has the leverage right now based on his track record. They also have a track record that shows they're not going to overpay for his services. If they're working on an extension now, they'll more than likely offer him market value for his services. If he doesn't take it, so be it. He'll play out his contract and move on. I don't see them trading him in either instance.
Quote:I don't think it will be much to retain him long term. It's not like he has mounds of ammunition to demand top pay for the position. I doubt they pay it if he tries
I'd be shocked if he/ his agent isn't looking for security type money/ contract length right about now. He's 26 going on 27....if not now, when???
Quote:I'd be shocked if he/ his agent isn't looking for security type money/ contract length right about now. He's 26 going on 27....if not now, when???
"Security type money?" What does that mean? For a 4th round pick coming out of a rookie contract, $4-5 million per would probably be considered life changing, and it's almost certainly in the range he's worth as far as the team is concerned.
TMD, put out a number that you feel would be appropriate to resign Shorts for. How much dollars for how many years?
Quote:"Security type money?" What does that mean? For a 4th round pick coming out of a rookie contract, $4-5 million per would probably be considered life changing, and it's almost certainly in the range he's worth as far as the team is concerned.
FBT, c'mon...you're no NFL novice you know how these things work....when players come off of their initial rookie deals and are around Cecils current age, and they are seen as starters, they want the big money/ long term deal. They always cite "security" or other rhetoric.
Given the contracts handed out this free agency period to WR, I'm going to guess that Cecil's agent is going to be looking for 5 MIL per year minimum, maybe 6, and at a length of 4 to 5 years contract. They'll likely seek guaranteed money in the neighborhood of 13 MIL.
As said, thats just too much for a WR that by the time a calendar year rolls around, he's not going to have trouble getting onto the field for snaps ahead of Lee/ Robinson/ Sanders.
Paying that kind of money for a WR4 is just not smart, IMO.
You've gotta project here and not just think for the "now".
Quote:TMD, put out a number that you feel would be appropriate to resign Shorts for. How much dollars for how many years?
With me, its not so much the per year dollars that I'm worried about as I am the contract length (guaranteed money). I'd give Cecil a one year extension to his current deal and pay him 5 MIL for that and thats it. (doubt his agent would take that) As said, by that time (2015) Cecil will likely be hard pressed to find many snaps.
Quote:"Security type money?" What does that mean? For a 4th round pick coming out of a rookie contract, $4-5 million per would probably be considered life changing, and it's almost certainly in the range he's worth as far as the team is concerned.
Man, I don't know if 4-5 million is a comfortable level for Shorts. I could certainly see 2-3 million per. I think the average wide receiver pay is just over 1 million per. But by all accounts he is the consummate professional with an outstanding work ethic.