Quote:No, SHorts is more valuable than Thomas. Thomas, when we got that 5th for him was a nothing with Jax.
I'd say 4th rounder for Shorts, minimum.
You can say 4th rounder minimum. I'm pretty sure we won't be dictating the terms. If the team wants to trade him, they'll get a 4th rounder at best.
Only 17 players on the roster are from the old regime, not counting Henne because he was resigned by them. Poz, Shorts and Marcedes are the best we have at their positions so they won't go anywhere anytime soon. I assume Scobee is safe, the other 13 are not.
Quote:I could see him possibly beating out Todman.
Suprised you weren't impressed.
5' 9, 220, with 4.4 speed, and clearly legit 4.4. speed if you watched the vid. Good in traffic, good in space. Home run ability, low center of gravity....
He's simply a better talent than Todman. The only question with Cobb is the foot. (injury)
That size and speed is nice. The level of competition is pretty atrocious though. My reservations are based on that. We'll see though. I'm also a blatant homer and will root for Storm and Todman either way.
Quote:That size and speed is nice. The level of competition is pretty atrocious though. My reservations are based on that. We'll see though. I'm also a blatant homer and will root for Storm and Todman either way.
I would worry about level of competition if he was simply running through holes that a truck could go through....
If you look on the footage, he was good in traffic, in my opinion his talents are transcendent, and the RB position itself tends to be instinctive.
I think the only issue with Cobb really is the foot.
Cobb probably won't threaten Storm's roster spot, it would be Todman's if any
Is Todman UCF too?
It's not directly related to small schools. However with Gene Smith he was always trying to make a name for himself by taking a guy really early. Like he knew something someone else didn't. He wanted to make a name for himself rather than elavaluate and pick the right guy. I was never a fan of his picks and even refrained from posting for a long time. Thank God that era is over because Caldwell has been a smooth operator so far. Only pick I did not agree with was a CB with a torn up knee so early... Coming back from those for a corner is nearly impossible. Revis is a prime example. However if that's my only complaint... Wow. Love Bortles. I think he's Big Ben 2. Elite
Quote:Is Todman UCF too?
Todman is from UConn.
From what I saw in clips of Cobb, it was mostly downhill running. He hit the hole, made one cut and was gone. Not something that would come so easily at the next level. Maybe I need to see more.
Quote:It's not directly related to small schools. However with Gene Smith he was always trying to make a name for himself by taking a guy really early. Like he knew something someone else didn't. He wanted to make a name for himself rather than elavaluate and pick the right guy. I was never a fan of his picks and even refrained from posting for a long time. Thank God that era is over because Caldwell has been a smooth operator so far. Only pick I did not agree with was a CB with a torn up knee so early... Coming back from those for a corner is nearly impossible. Revis is a prime example. However if that's my only complaint... Wow. Love Bortles. I think he's Big Ben 2. Elite
Revis didn't succeed in Tampa because he was a terrible scheme fit. He will be back to form this year for sure.
Quote:I could see him possibly beating out Todman.
Suprised you weren't impressed.
5' 9, 220, with 4.4 speed, and clearly legit 4.4. speed if you watched the vid. Good in traffic, good in space. Home run ability, low center of gravity....
He's simply a better talent than Todman. The only question with Cobb is the foot. (injury)
Quote:I would worry about level of competition if he was simply running through holes that a truck could go through....
If you look on the footage, he was good in traffic, in my opinion his talents are transcendent, and the RB position itself tends to be instinctive.
I think the only issue with Cobb really is the foot.
Cobb probably won't threaten Storm's roster spot, it would be Todman's if any
Is Todman UCF too?
I tend to agree with you here. Cobb just has that look of a potentially great RB. He has the speed and quickness to make guys miss in small windows. His 4.4 speed is legit. He runs like...dare I say it....Fred Taylor. Seriously.
Quote:I tend to agree with you here. Cobb just has that look of a potentially great RB. He has the speed and quickness to make guys miss in small windows. His 4.4 speed is legit. He runs like...dare I say it....Fred Taylor. Seriously.
I agree, that kid can ball.
Quote:Todman is from UConn.
From what I saw in clips of Cobb, it was mostly downhill running. He hit the hole, made one cut and was gone. Not something that would come so easily at the next level. Maybe I need to see more.
Isn't our running game/ scheme designed for 1 cut and go?....
Quote:Isn't our running game/ scheme designed for 1 cut and go?....
If it were as simple as that, Denard should be flourishing.
Quote:If it were as simple as that, Denard should be flourishing.
Not necessarily, RB is not his natural position. Besides that, he's built like a WR.
TMD I don't think you're taking shorts' injury history into enough consideration. No team is going to give a 2nd-4th rounder on a person that has had what 3? concussions now, add that with his groin injury from last year that killed his production. He's a high risk medium reward player at this point. If he had no concussion history, no injury history I'd be able to see some desperate team give up a 2nd, 3rd.
Furthermore, I think in negotiations every team will just point to this season and say, you're not a #1 WR. He was pretty much shut out each game until garbage time when he got his numbers up except for a few games. Now if he would have had blackmon production the entire season then I can see him fetching a draft pick, but at that point in time do you really want to give up someone on the upswing of his career that's demonstrating promise?
Just seems counter productive to me.
As for the depth chart going into the season I think it'll be Shorts > Sanders > Lee > Robinson but I think we'll be seeing a lot more 3 WR sets now. Especially if M Lewis doesn't step up his game to make it worth having him on the field now that we should have a stable line.
Quote:TMD I don't think you're taking shorts' injury history into enough consideration. No team is going to give a 2nd-4th rounder on a person that has had what 3? concussions now, add that with his groin injury from last year that killed his production. He's a high risk medium reward player at this point. If he had no concussion history, no injury history I'd be able to see some desperate team give up a 2nd, 3rd.
Furthermore, I think in negotiations every team will just point to this season and say, you're not a #1 WR. He was pretty much shut out each game until garbage time when he got his numbers up except for a few games. Now if he would have had blackmon production the entire season then I can see him fetching a draft pick, but at that point in time do you really want to give up someone on the upswing of his career that's demonstrating promise?
Just seems counter productive to me.
His numbers should be better this year playing opposite Lee/Robinson. He could easily net us a 2nd-3rd round pick. I would call Cleveland and test the waters since he's a local kid, plus they have some extra ammo to play with in next years draft, so the sting of losing a 2nd-3rd rounder won't be that bad.
Quote:Not necessarily, RB is not his natural position. Besides that, he's built like a WR.
I think his body is similar to CJ0K's. If it's as simple as one cut and go, Denard would be perfect. Natural RB or not, he's got elite skills as a ballcarrier.
Quote:His numbers should be better this year playing opposite Lee/Robinson. He could easily net us a 2nd-3rd round pick. I would call Cleveland and test the waters since he's a local kid, plus they have some extra ammo to play with in next years draft, so the sting of losing a 2nd-3rd rounder won't be that bad.
Injury history though. I don't think a team is going to give up that kind of draft pick on a guy with his injury history unless he's worth the rsik/reward, and at that point why would you want to trade him?
Quote:Injury history though. I don't think a team is going to give up that kind of draft pick on a guy with his injury history unless he's worth the rsik/reward, and at that point why would you want to trade him?
He's missed 5 games in 3 seasons with injuries, so I don't really think it's fair to consider him injury prone and it's not like I just want to trade the guy, but at this point in the teams development, we need to keep collecting future assets. A 2nd or 3rd for a guy like Shorts should be a no brainier, particularly on an expiring contract.
I think his first game was his best game. Injuries didn't help either. Nice guy. Met him a couple times.
Wow guys. Shorts isn't going anywhere this year. It's bad enough going into the season without Blackmon, but now you're talking about getting rid of Shorts?? It's going to take some time for the rookies to get up to speed, not to mention you often see rookies injure themselves during training camp. It just doesn't make sense. Use your head people.
But two (3?) of those are concussion related. It's not like a broken wrist were once it heals you probably don't have to worry about it, Concussions stack, that's why people miss weeks at a time when they get a concussion and some miss months at a time after having consecutive concussions. Also he may have only missed 5 games, but how many games did he play in injured and his performance slipped. A lot more than five