Quote:I definitely agree, it's the right pick if it works out.. and I also agree on not just taking safe picks..
I get why they made the pick.. they think he's a franchise QB... I just feel Watkins is not only safe, but he's safe to be a stud.. and there are other QB's that can sit for a year and possibly be as good as Bortles, or no less of a risk anyways..
obviously time will tell.. our defense should be improved, but I fear without blackmon, it wont make much of a difference.
Losing is in my blood, so what's another horrible year I suppose? I mean, I am a sixer fan.. nuff said.. jags fan, nuff said, and a purdue fan.. last place in football and basketball this past season... nuff said lol
at this point I am purely numb
Again, if you're looking at a WR or QB, and you feel the QB is a guy who can be a franchise level QB, you draft the quarterback. It's a no brainer. There's plenty of depth at WR in this draft. The same can't be said for potential franchise QBs.
Quote:The entire premise of this whole thread is based on the fact that you know more than Caldwell, or are a better talent evaluator than him. I'm curious how many hours of study you put into evaluating the draftees?
My guess, much like almost everyone else, is that you had your favorites in your head and you trusted which of the talking heads you wanted to believe based on those favorites.
And rather than seeing a single play in a Jaguars' uniform you've decided that this was a 'bad pick' based on your own preconceived notions.
Was I surprised by the pick? Yes. But, from what I am hearing, Caldwell and Bradley were in complete agreement on the pick. Forgive me if I trust their judgement more than your annual rant.
This will be my entire contribution to the thread.
Well said.
Safest pick of the "elite" players was Bortles (other than the tackles)..
Most important position in the NFL... I just hope we don't play Bortles until Blackmon is back.
Quote:I love how people are saying that a WR is a "safe" pick. Since when?
As a Jags fan, you should know round 1 WRs are the safest pick out there!
Quote:ya that's what I am hoping it was.. but honestly, they could have just not even brought that up at all
Except they were asked the question in an interview, side stepping a question is worse.
Quote:I'm sure most of you will not be shocked to know that i DISLIKE the pick.. and for multiple reasons.
The farther this process went, the further QB's were slipping.
Bortles is absolutely ZERO of a lock to be better than a guys like Bridgewater.
For all the people hating on Teddy for his handsize, are you ready for this? Bortles has 1/8 of an inch bigger hands.. 1/8 people...
there were absolute stud locks avialable at 3 with watkins and mack available.
We could have taken a stud like watkins, and then traded up to pick 32 for Teddy, or get a guy like Garropolo in the 2nd.. a guy who probably isn't that much behind bortles.
It just seems like another year gone by, another questionable decision by this team's braintrust... Doesnt matter who is in charge, nothing seems to change.
Now they are saying he isnt ready to start?
so this is supposed to be our franchise QB, yet isn't ready to come in and start on a 4-12 football team lead by Chad Henne?
So basically, You are telling me I have to watch this upcoming season as if we didn't even have a 3rd overall pick at all...
HOW AWESOME!
I know most will pull the "trust in the GM" stuff.. but seriously... no one on this team has proven anything
Do you guys realize that last TRUE STUD this team has drafted was MJD?? how many years ago was that? 7 years ago? roughly?
7 drafts and 1 true stud, and how many times have we drafted in the top 10 since then? almost every time?
I mean obviously me and everyone else not liking this pick will have to eat our words if he becomes a franchise QB, which I hope he does... obviously, because we desperately need one
but this just seems like a complete 50/50 gamble ONCE AGAIN... instead of drafting a true guaranteed(or as close to it as it gets) stud and getting a gamble at QB in round 2 that is no more of a gamble than this guy
This team is going to win 5 or 6 games again next year smh...
I don't trust anything this regime has done other than finagle the city into sinking a bunch of money with them on scoreboards for people to track their Fantasy Football on.
I have seen ZERO which leads me to believe that anything is really much different than before. I still believe the organization is not run properly, is cheap, and does not understand the way that the NFL works. I am very skeptical of all of them. They took another 'big-tall' QB with shorter hair.
Honestly Watkins was not a #3 overall pick in terms of talent or measurables. He is virtually the same size and speed as Blackmon but with not as good ball skills and not as physical. This is not to say that Sammy has poor ball skills or is a wimp, just JB seemed to man handle people more and went up to snatch the ball out of the air while Sammy caught screens and ran past blown coverages allowing Boyd to chuck a bomb downfield and he run underneath it. If a WR gets taken top 5 he needs to be a stone cold lock like CJ, Larry Fitzgerald or AJ Green. Sammy just was not of that caliber in my opinion.
With Mack the trump card is small school and lack of real competition. Also feel like he wasn't a great fit in our scheme as much as some other guys.
I admit I was pretty shocked and disappointed by the pick at first but am warming up to the idea more and more. This is how I felt last draft and when it was over I could see that Dave has a plan and that he is assembling something good here. Fear not, Blake is not another Blaine.
Quote:man.. ive had my share of disagreements with you... but in hindsight... when u were negative about this team, we ended up sucking...ill give you that... ill take KJD and TMD over some of the new "against the grain" guys anyday lol
lol thanks.. well, I want to be wrong here, I hope this kid is the real deal.. and honestly he could be, and I do agree he has the highest ceiling, I definitely agree with that.
I just hope he's not as big a risk as I think he is... maybe I am scared because of the whole Gabbert debacle
Quote:I don't trust anything this regime has done other than finagle the city into sinking a bunch of money with them on scoreboards for people to track their Fantasy Football on.
I have seen ZERO which leads me to believe that anything is really much different than before. I still believe the organization is not run properly, is cheap, and does not understand the way that the NFL works. I am very skeptical of all of them. They took another 'big-tall' QB with shorter hair.
It's good to see you're capable of being consistently wrong.
This pick wasn't very popular with the media. They thought it was a reach, especially at 3rd overall.
Quote:Why is it so impossible to wait until we can evaluate this pick through watching the progress that Bortles makes as the preseaon and season unfolds. One thing that is quite apparent the Jaguars had targeted blake and pulled the trigger because they felt the Browns were going to take him they had no intention of losing the oppitunity to pick Bortles! It was mentioned that they would have taken Bortles even if Clowney was there! They wanted this kid and they got him. We will see if all these message board GM's are right or Jacksonville just drafted the best quarterback in this draft. Dave Caldwell put his money where his mouth is and has drafted what he believes will be the begining of the Jaguars return to the playoffs next year. Time will tell! I'm on board and can't wait to see this season unfold!
Taking Bortles with Clowney still on the board is a scary notion if true.
This whole Cleveland was going to take Bortles at 4 thing is starting to reak a little bit like the excuses Gene & co gave for not trading down because they thought Miami was going to take Alualu at 12. I don't need to hear about Caldwell's conviction for Bortles and him being the pick all along as some sort of justification of the pick because that kind of stuff should be obvious. And as said the previous staff acted the same way when the Alualu pick was made. "Oh we truly believe in Bortles".....well, no [BAD WORD REMOVED]....
Everything I've read, the 2 QB that Cleveland wanted from this draft were either Manziel or Bridgewater. It seems people are trying hard to manufacture a case that Cleveland was going to take Bortles, but I just don't see it.
If Dave turned down say the Buffalo trade because he was scared of losing Bortles, then IMO, are we still stuck with a similar falling in love with player X mindset with our GM/ front office regarding high picks. If so I am not happy. Whenever as a GM you fixate/ fall in love with
one player, thats how mistakes are made and opportunities are missed (draft wise/ trade wise). As much as I loved Bridgewater and wanted him as the pick at 3, I also had a contingency of Manziel who I almost equally would have been happy with.
Quote:This pick wasn't very popular with the media. They thought it was a reach, especially at 3rd overall.
A few of them did. Other's were praising the pick. This was an interesting analysis by ESPN Science and demonstrates his accuracy. They ranked him as the best QB in the draft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myzT8aZrgxg
I don't have a problem with the pick, they ranked him as the BEST player coming out of this draft. Let's see how accurate that evaluation was, only time will tell.
Quote:Taking Bortles with Clowney still on the board is a scary notion if true.
This whole Cleveland was going to take Bortles at 4 thing is starting to reak a little bit like the excuses Gene & co gave for not trading down because they thought Miami was going to take Alualu at 12.
Everything I've read, the 2 QB that Cleveland wanted from this draft were either Manziel or Bridgewater.
If Dave turned down say the Buffalo trade because he was scared of losing Bortles, then are we still stuck with a similar falling in love with player X mindset with our GM/ front office. If so I am not happy. Whenever as a GM you fixate/ fall in love with one player, thats how mistakes are made and opportunities are missed (draft wise/ trade wise).
I think the fact that CLE could've taken either other QB with their first pick but chose to trade back is evidence that they were not targeting either. I mean if you are in love with a guy why risk it and then also why draft Gilbert in the top 10 and risk your guy getting taken before your next pick. That's not a logical move.
Quote:If Dave turned down say the Buffalo trade because he was scared of losing Bortles, then are we still stuck with a similar falling in love with player X mindset with our GM/ front office. If so I am not happy. Whenever as a GM you fixate/ fall in love with one player, thats how mistakes are made and opportunities are missed (draft wise/ trade wise).
You don't pass up on a guy you think is going to be a Franchise Quarterback. Not to mention that Caldwell didn't just fall in love with the player, and say "This is the guy!" The scouts independently said that Bortles was the best guy as well.
If Blaine Gabbert was a great QB, nobody would be complaining about Gene falling in love with him in any case.
Quote:Twas a good pick.
Yep you called it too.
They had him as their #1 guy on their board. There isn't much to say there. If you disagree with that...ok.
Also, I do disagree with the idea that the longer this process went on...the farther the QBs dropped...the only one that DIDN'T drop was Bortles. He was always in the Top 10, all process long. Ranging anywhere from #1 overall all of the way to #8...never really a further drop than that.
Manziel and Bridgewater were on the decline in the process...not Bortles.
I'm going to peg the clowney thing as, they already took bortles, so they arent going to make him feel less loved by saying they would have taken clowney over him as if we had to settle for him..
we couldnt have been dumb enough to actually mean that
Quote:I think the fact that CLE could've taken either other QB with their first pick but chose to trade back is evidence that they were not targeting either. I mean if you are in love with a guy why risk it and then also why draft Gilbert in the top 10 and risk your guy getting taken before your next pick. That's not a logical move
Thats the problem - falling in love with ONE player would have negated Cleveland from being able to make the great trade they did and coming out with an A+ in the first round.
Quote:You don't pass up on a guy you think is going to be a Franchise Quarterback. Not to mention that Caldwell didn't just fall in love with the player, and say "This is the guy!" The scouts independently said that Bortles was the best guy as well.
If Blaine Gabbert was a great QB, nobody would be complaining about Gene falling in love with him in any case.
I get the first sentence. BUT
Bortles wasn't and shouldn't have been seen as the only franchise QB in this draft. If our guys felt that he was, thats a bit concerning.
Quote:They had him as their #1 guy on their board. There isn't much to say there. If you disagree with that...ok.
Also, I do disagree with the idea that the longer this process went on...the farther the QBs dropped...the only one that DIDN'T drop was Bortles. He was always in the Top 10, all process long. Ranging anywhere from #1 overall all of the way to #8...never really a further drop than that.
Manziel and Bridgewater were on the decline in the process...not Bortles.
The only one that didn't drop was Bortles because WE took him. No one knows how far he might have fallen.
The above logic is like saying Alualu wasn't going to fall to the lower half of the first round because we took him at 12.
If Bridge and Manziel fell, Bortles likely would have too.
You are right. No one cares.