Quote:They stuck with Keenum far too long given what he was giving. Hell, they stuck with Keenum last year longer than we stuck with Gabbert last year, and that was a new regime that wanted to see what Gabbert had. IMO, McNair knew exactly what he was doing - trying to ensure that first pick. Schaub had a rough patch of pick 6's, but overall was still the better option. Clearly. That proved itself in the 2nd half of the Texans Jags game. From that point forward, Schaub should have been playing if winning was truly what they were trying to do at that point.
You really do love to twist facts in an effort to bolster your nonsensical conspiracy theories.
Schaub seriously injured his ankle, tearing ligaments. It was a big deal when he did so not because of the injury itself, but because he was playing so badly at the time that his own home team fans celebrated the injury. There were multiple reports talking about how Texan players though their fans were pretty low rent for cheering the injury, but their reaction was based upon the fact that Schaub was terrible.
McNair wasn't dictating who played. Kubiak was trying to get Schaub back in, but the ankle injury was more significant than anyone thought. It's all out there if you bothered to use Google for 30 seconds. There was no conspiracy here. Schaub was no better than Keenum on the field, then he was hurt. When he came back, he still stank it up. There's a reason he's not on the Texans roster any longer.
Quote:Can this thread be locked too? Or just moved out of the draft forum?
If you don't like it you don't have to click on it.
The people debating it are staying on topic, so theres no reason to lock it.
Quote:Right, a guy like Gabbert gets more time to prove he's garbage because more he's got more investment in him. Keenum is a nothing. They had squat invested in him. He should get 2 maybe 3 games of bad play (before going back to Schaub). IMO, they stuck with him the length they did, because they had no motive to try and win games at that point because it was counterproductive to the big picture (1st overall)
The only reason Keenum got as much time as he did was due to the fact that Schaub wasn't healthy, but keep spinning the conspiracy theory that McNair ordered his coach to play a lesser player so they could get Teddy Bridgewater.
Quote:You really do love to twist facts in an effort to bolster your nonsensical conspiracy theories.
Schaub seriously injured his ankle, tearing ligaments. It was a big deal when he did so not because of the injury itself, but because he was playing so badly at the time that his own home team fans celebrated the injury. There were multiple reports talking about how Texan players though their fans were pretty low rent for cheering the injury, but their reaction was based upon the fact that Schaub was terrible.
McNair wasn't dictating who played. Kubiak was trying to get Schaub back in, but the ankle injury was more significant than anyone thought. It's all out there if you bothered to use Google for 30 seconds. There was no conspiracy here. Schaub was no better than Keenum on the field, then he was hurt. When he came back, he still stank it up. There's a reason he's not on the Texans roster any longer.
kinda like Brunell's elbow "injury" that year 2003, when they wanted to play Leftwich? I remember Brunell telling people that he felt like he could play and wanted to play but it was the coach's decision not to play him. I also remember a few weeks after that "severe" injury, whispers eminating from Houston that Schaub felt he was fine and didn't know why he wasn't out there.
I could see why the Jags played Leftwich - the new regime at the time a lot vested in him, plus Brunell was the "old regime's" QB. The Texans with Keenum? Notsomuch.
Based on the obsessive nature of the Tank4Teddy movement the diva was spearheading, I guess we can expect Bridgewater's name to be the first one called at the top of the draft tonight. Otherwise, what were they tanking for exactly? Your campaign was centered around one player. Not trades. Not any other player. It was all about Bridgewater. So, he's going first tonight, right? If they truly tanked for Teddy, they're not taking anyone else here.
Good God, how long can this go on? The idea of a NFL team tanking for a draft choice is about the same as Nasa intentionally blowing up a shuttle so they could build another one that they are not even sure will make it into orbit. It just ain't gonna happen. So, if you truly believe this TMD then you should not follow the sport anymore. You claim to be of a time that standards and morals were so much higher than nowadays so certainly you would not want to follow a league that would embrace planned failure and manipulation of the system. Right?
Quote:The only reason Keenum got as much time as he did was due to the fact that Schaub wasn't healthy, but keep spinning the conspiracy theory that McNair ordered his coach to play a lesser player so they could get Teddy Bridgewater.
I admit at the time it seemed like Teddy would be the target of the 1st overall pick. AT that time that was more widely assumed. I was wrong with the "
target" but don't believe I was wrong with the main idea of them tanking so they would get the top overall pick and first pick in every round, which gives you the most options/ opportunities on draft day.
Quote:Good God, how long can this go on? The idea of a NFL team tanking for a draft choice is about the same as Nasa intentionally blowing up a shuttle so they could build another one that they are not even sure will make it into orbit. It just ain't gonna happen. So, if you truly believe this TMD then you should not follow the sport anymore. You claim to be of a time that standards and morals were so much higher than nowadays so certainly you would not want to follow a league that would embrace planned failure and manipulation of the system. Right?
Dude, IMO, tanking for the first pick isn't some strange thing. Look at the NBA, NHL they do it there too. There's a history of it. Thats why the lottery was invented.....but it still doesn't stop it....look at the 76ers (and probably at least the Bucks) this year, you gonna tell me they didn't deliberately try to lose games so they could get the most ping pong balls???
The only reason its not done in baseball, is because 1st overall (or even top 5) picks are much further from a sure thing there.
I think the Colts did. Texans I dont think so. They had high expectations.
The Colts started the year with a joke roster on purpose to get Luck. Jmo imo jmo
keep an eye on that thread where tmd stated if the falcons don't get a trade down that he will admit he is wrong. Flying off the handle about a division rival getting extra picks in a trade that hasn't happened yet.
Quote:kinda like Brunell's elbow "injury" that year 2003, when they wanted to play Leftwich? I remember Brunell telling people that he felt like he could play and wanted to play but it was the coach's decision not to play him. I also remember a few weeks after that "severe" injury, whispers eminating from Houston that Schaub felt he was fine and didn't know why he wasn't out there.
I could see why the Jags played Leftwich - the new regime at the time a lot vested in him, plus Brunell was the "old regime's" QB. The Texans with Keenum? Notsomuch.
Once again, twisting facts to suit your agenda.
Brunell had surgery to remove the bursa sac from his elbow. He wasn't even allowed back at the stadium after the surgery because of a staph infection. By the time he was healthy enough to return, the team had made the move to Leftwich, and they were letting their first round selection establish himself as the starter. To add to that, Brunell did himself no favors by getting into a contract dispute with the team that ultimately lead to them drafting Leftwich. You conveniently ignored that tidbit.
FYI, if you ask Brunell today if he was really ready to play at the time, you'd get a different answer.
Yes, a player has never declared that they were fine despite the fact that they weren't medically cleared to get back on the field, or they really weren't ready to play. Torn ligaments in an ankle is such a minor injury that the team simply followed the orders of McNair to fluff the medical reports to make it sound worse than it was. I'm sure the NFLPA wouldn't have a problem with that at all.
Keenum was an undrafted player. Leftwich was a first round selection on a team that had just undergone a fight over reworking Brunell's contract. Leftwich was expected to take over as the starting QB at some point. So, the situations are very different, but I know you need a straw man to hoist up that conspiracy theory of yours.
It just keeps sounding more and more desperate as you try to prop up this idiotic conspiracy theory.
Quote:I admit at the time it seemed like Teddy would be the target of the 1st overall pick. AT that time that was more widely assumed. I was wrong with the "target" but don't believe I was wrong with the main idea of them tanking so they would get the top overall pick and first pick in every round, which gives you the most options/ opportunities on draft day.
They didn't tank for Teddy.
They didn't tank for any player.
They simply had a run of bad luck that became the perfect storm.
No team tanks intentionally. If they do, they don't belong in the NFL.
You can spin it however you need to in order to keep that house of cards conspiracy theory of yours alive so you can keep milking it for attention. Most here are laughing at you.
Quote:keep an eye on that thread where tmd stated if the falcons don't get a trade down that he will admit he is wrong. Flying off the handle about a division rival getting extra picks in a trade that hasn't happened yet.
Don't worry. He'll be running away from that as soon as Houston makes their pick at 1.
Quote:I think the Colts did. Texans I dont think so. They had high expectations.
The Colts started the year with a joke roster on purpose to get Luck. Jmo imo jmo
The Colts did from game 1 that year....I don't believe the Texans had any intention of tanking as that season began. But by the time the season fell into the crapper at 2-6? Thats about where I believe McNair gave the word get that 1st pick.
Quote:I think the Colts did. Texans I dont think so. They had high expectations.
The Colts started the year with a joke roster on purpose to get Luck. Jmo imo jmo
Manning was injured. The Colts were only as good as Manning while he was there. They didn't tank. They simply lost their golden goose and didn't draft well enough to maintain without him.
Quote:The Colts did from game 1 that year....I don't believe the Texans had any intention of tanking as that season began. But by the time the season fell into the crapper at 2-6? Thats about where I believe McNair gave the word get that 1st pick.
Yes, and coaches just say okay and don't have any concern about their future. Tanking is a great thing to have on your resume for future job prospects. It's really worked out for you, right?
This just gets dumber and dumber where you're concerned.
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Keenum was an undrafted player. Leftwich was a first round selection on a team that had just undergone a fight over reworking Brunell's contract. Leftwich was expected to take over as the starting QB at some point. So, the situations are very different, but I know you need a straw man to hoist up that conspiracy theory of yours.
Go back and read what I said - I stated that I could see why the Jags played Leftwich - I also used that to show that the Jags / Texans situations were indeed different, and that Keenum should have been benched much faster.
Quote:Manning was injured. The Colts were only as good as Manning while he was there. They didn't tank. They simply lost their golden goose and didn't draft well enough to maintain without him.
Thats true. They had no plan B.
Although, when they knew Manning was out for the year, they made little attempt to fix the problem.
Quote:Manning was injured. The Colts were only as good as Manning while he was there. They didn't tank. They simply lost their golden goose and didn't draft well enough to maintain without him.
They knew Manning's situation well before week 1 got there. They could have ensured they got themselves a better QB. But no, they saw that Luck was the golden goose at the end of the tunnel and playing the scrub QB they had would ensure that they would go from Manning to Luck, i.e. 1 HOF to another, (or so they thought, to be determined, but thats the mindset).