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Quote:None of these QBs are top 10 talents. Some of these do have 1st round talent and ability but in all honestly any QB taken in the first round will probably be overdrafted depending on what team they are taken by.....

 

For those complaining about "PRO DAY" (which I never cared about) and trust the type....No offense the in accuracy and duck passes show up on take as well. One game definitely comes to mind to me immediately:

 

Houston - http://draftbreakdown.com/video/teddy-br...ston-2013/

 

:02 - Curl route, not the type of zip you want to see on that ball with that type of tight coverage and it is high. Better catch than throw

 

:15 - Curl route, great placement against tight coverage. However, needs to have that tight spiral in NFL, too wobbly of a ball

 

:32 - good read and and pass, pretty much perfectly executed by QB

 

:43 - routes taken away, good scramble

 

:58 - looks deep first then takes curl route to sideline. I love the read, but hate the wobbly ball on the throw

 

1:12 - receiver slips...another curl route

 

1:23 - dump off curl route, great read as man was wide open, and got rid of ball just before taking contact

 

1:42 - QB roll out to curl route, love the pass as it shows velocity and excellent ball placement.

 

1:52 - great placement on slant route with the velocity you want to see

 

2:05 - sack...never had a chance

 

2:15 - drop on screen pass. Pass didn't have good zip and looks a little wobbly as well,  but that was on receiver

 

2:30 - curl route, but ball again lacks velocity and that ball is very wobbly, definitely feel it is a mechanical issue that can be fixed

 

2:46 sack...again never had a chance

 

2:57 great step up inside pocket....took dump off as I a guessing nothing was available deeper. Given they are up a TD, where they are on the field, and it was 3rd and 23 good play to pick up a lot of lost yardage before punting.

 

3:10 - great playaction set up to deep curl route, but I don't like the footwork when he releases the ball. It is a be reason I feel the pass wasn't complete as it lacked velocity and accuracy. Almost picked

 

3:26 - ball batted at LOS

 

3:38 - great escape, keeps eyes down field, great pass with zip on slant route to sideline

 

3:54- dangerous pass into coverage, probably should have been incomplete or picked

 

4:04 - dropped pass on curl route

 

4:13 - scramble then ball thrown away

 

4:28 - scramble then ball thrown away

 

4:45 - screen pass

 

4:52 - wobbly deep pass, but it gets there. Would have liked to see a better pass which would have probably led to a TD, the replay shows the receiver had to slow down a bit....ball only traveled about 36-38 yards in the air.

 

5:24 - horrible screen pass

 

5:32 - great read and pass with velocity, accuracy,  and timing...everything you want to see 

 

6:05 -  horrible pass and mechanics, what was he thinking???, should have been a pick

 

6:25 - good pass on curl route which allowed receiver to pick up some YAC

 

6:31 - not a good throw to flat.

 

6.41 - reverts back to bad mechanics and the wobbly ball returns.

 

6:54 - good read under pressure to get a completion

 

7:07 - bad footwork again, very wobbly inaccurate pass

 

7:21 - QB roll out, not a great throw but it is complete

 

7:32 - coverage sack?

Just watched that and I came away more impressed. They put up one of his worst games and what I saw is a guy who was pressured all day and still got up and made throws. The guy can play period. All these questions about him come out after the season and during the "shorts league practices". This happened last time. Everyone fell in love with Gabbert because he had all the tools and impressed in workouts and couldn't play a lick of football cause he just wasn't good.

 

I watch the tape and the tape looks good. I like a guy who can be pressured all day and still find throws and move the ball throughout the game. This cut up showed his resolve to me if anything.    

Quote:Just watched that and I came away more impressed. They put up one of his worst games and what I saw is a guy who was pressured all day and still got up and made throws. The guy can play period. All these questions about him come out after the season and during the "shorts league practices". This happened last time. Everyone fell in love with Gabbert because he had all the tools and impressed in workouts and couldn't play a lick of football cause he just wasn't good.

 

I watch the tape and the tape looks good. I like a guy who can be pressured all day and still find throws and move the ball throughout the game. This cut up showed his resolve to me if anything.    

 

I wasn't saying he was a horrible prospect....

 

I was just pointing out that his mechanics need work so that he can be very consistent with his velocity and accuracy. Almost all of his bad passes came from horrible mechanics....not pressure from the opposing defense.

Quote:Just watched that and I came away more impressed. They put up one of his worst games and what I saw is a guy who was pressured all day and still got up and made throws. The guy can play period. All these questions about him come out after the season and during the "shorts league practices". This happened last time. Everyone fell in love with Gabbert because he had all the tools and impressed in workouts and couldn't play a lick of football cause he just wasn't good.

 

I watch the tape and the tape looks good. I like a guy who can be pressured all day and still find throws and move the ball throughout the game. This cut up showed his resolve to me if anything.    

 

If only he didn't suffer the unfortunate skin problem he'd be as valuable as the TAMU midget. :whistling:

Its not hard for him to gain weight. Hes over 6'2''. Thats a lot of frame to fill out. 1 year in a strength and eating program he could easily be up to 225 or more

 

Other criticisms are fair, worrying about his size, durability and toughness is a non issue. 

Quote:If only he didn't suffer the unfortunate skin problem he'd be as valuable as the TAMU midget. :whistling:

Race baiter. :down:

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Other criticisms are fair, worrying about his size, durability and toughness is a non issue. 

Totally agree. And even if he got injured, he has shown numerous times he can play through injury.

 

My concerns have always been about lack of arm talent with him. And after continually going over the tape I have come to the realization that he doesn't lack arm strength...he lacks consistency with his mechanics.

 

If he is able to sit at least a year I think he could develop into a very special player in the NFL.

Quote:Race baiter. :down:

 

It's the only reason left why the former best pick in the draft suddenly isn't worth a first round pick anymore. Everything else has been beat to death.

I think Jon Gruden said if a quarterback works out and looks terrible, he doesn't drop him in rank, he removes him from his board.

 

We're still talking about Bridgewater?

Jon Gruden's opinion's on QBs doesn't really sway me much either way...

 

Especially now that he's essentially a talking head on ESPN.

Quote:I think Jon Gruden said if a quarterback works out and looks terrible, he doesn't drop him in rank, he removes him from his board.

 

We're still talking about Bridgewater?

 

That Gruden had a helluva track record in drafting and developing QB, too....huh?

Quote:Totally agree. And even if he got injured, he has shown numerous times he can play through injury.

 

My concerns have always been about lack of arm talent with him. And after continually going over the tape I have come to the realization that he doesn't lack arm strength...he lacks consistency with his mechanics.

 

If he is able to sit at least a year I think he could develop into a very special player in the NFL.

 

He lacks plus arm strength. Hes not gonna make on the rope throws without having his feet set. Look at the upper tier of QBs in the NFL. Not all of them have cannons for arms. Many make up for that by being very good pre snap and having great anticipation. For me, Teddy has those two things which make up for his arm.

 

Id even argue that SOME qbs (maybe even a majority?) with a cannon arm gives them overconfidence and it leads to bad decisions. Not saying that having a huge arm is bad, but the decision making of those QBs could be classified as poor at times. Flacco, Stafford, Cutler, EJ Manuel, Fitzpatrick, all make bonehead decisions frequently because they think their arm can make up for it. 

Quote:He lacks plus arm strength. Hes not gonna make on the rope throws without having his feet set. Look at the upper tier of QBs in the NFL. Not all of them have cannons for arms. Many make up for that by being very good pre snap and having great anticipation. For me, Teddy has those two things which make up for his arm.

 

Id even argue that SOME qbs (maybe even a majority?) with a cannon arm gives them overconfidence and it leads to bad decisions. Not saying that having a huge arm is bad, but the decision making of those QBs could be classified as poor at times. Flacco, Stafford, Cutler, EJ Manuel, Fitzpatrick, all make bonehead decisions frequently because they think their arm can make up for it. 

 

<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">I agree Teddy wont be tops in the league as far as Arm Strength, but I was just pointing out that when his mechanics are good his arm strength is not a problem.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">However, I do disagree with you about the the "great anticipation" part. On all the tape I have seen on him I honestly can only point to about 2 - 3 plays where you actually throws with anticipation. He does usually throw with good ball placement (I think better mechanics will make him even better with ball placement/accuracy)

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">To me when you throw with anticipation you throw the ball before the receiver is finished with their route or hit them in stride.....Alot of the times I see him throwing the ball  when these comeback are curls route are completed rather than throwing guys open....

Quote:I agree Teddy wont be tops in the league as far as Arm Strength, but I was just pointing out that when his mechanics are good his arm strength is not a problem.

 

However, I do disagree with you about the the "great anticipation" part. On all the tape I have seen on him I honestly can only point to about 2 - 3 plays where you actually throws with anticipation. He does usually throw with good ball placement (I think better mechanics will make him even better with ball placement/accuracy)

 

To me when you throw with anticipation you throw the ball before the receiver is finished with their route or hit them in stride.....Alot of the times I see him throwing the ball  when these comeback are curls route are completed rather than throwing guys open....

 

Watch the Florida game. Plenty of examples there. While your definition is partly correct, there is more to anticipation than just that. It could also be throwing to an open part of the field when the WR is currently covered, but knowing by the time the ball reaches there he will be open. 

Quote:If that is true that he played at 220 for his sophomore year, then I would agree his frame is less of a concern. 

"Bridgewater’s weight was as high as 222 pounds while playing at Lousiville but an oral procedure during his sophomore season caused him to lose a significant amount of weight. His jaw was broken in order to correct an overbite and straighten his teeth. 
"I couldn’t eat for two months, and that was a period when I lost most of my weight," Bridgewater said. "So I just want to get back to that range, 220, 225 range, and just feel good.”"

 

 

 

That jaw surgery isn't secret info either. It's just purposefully left out when guys want to knock how low his weight got last year. He'll be just fine weight wise. 

Quote:Watch the Florida game. Plenty of examples there. While your definition is partly correct, there is more to anticipation than just that. It could also be throwing to an open part of the field when the WR is currently covered, but knowing by the time the ball reaches there he will be open. 

 

He definitely had some great anticipation throws in the Florida game, however even the majority of the throws in that game the guys were already done with their route and open by the time he threw the ball.

 

I think his timing/anticipation, accuracy, and arm strength all look great when he throws with proper mechanics. When he is consistent with his mechanics he will also be consistent in these areas as well.

Quote:Pirk's absolute refusal to acknowledge jaw surgery requiring a liquid diet as a very strong reason for dropping to 188 is bewildering to me. It's almost like he's only been cherry picking stats and quotes this whole offseason...oh wait.


He played at 222 lbs during his Sophomore year. and he had already gained a lot of it back by the combine. He will be in the 220-230 range in short order and the size concerns will be an afterthought.


His frame is no more of a worry than it should be for Carr, Fales, Manziel, McCarron, Morris, Murray...or Aaron Rodgers, Eli, Kaepernick, Geno, Glennon, etc.

Quote:"Bridgewater’s weight was as high as 222 pounds while playing at Lousiville but an oral procedure during his sophomore season caused him to lose a significant amount of weight. His jaw was broken in order to correct an overbite and straighten his teeth.

"I couldn’t eat for two months, and that was a period when I lost most of my weight," Bridgewater said. "So I just want to get back to that range, 220, 225 range, and just feel good.”"




That jaw surgery isn't secret info either. It's just purposefully left out when guys want to knock how low his weight got last year. He'll be just fine weight wise.

He still struggling to keep weight on a whole year removed from surgery. He gained almost 10 pounds for the combine then lost it a month later at his pro day.

Quote:Bridgewater weighed in 10 pounds lighter than at the combine. Part of that weight loss was due to working out in Florida with Wienke and having a cold, but he hopes to play around 220 pounds in the pros.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/03/17/qb-bridgewater-works-out-during-louisville-pro-day/6539533/'>http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/03/17/qb-bridgewater-works-out-during-louisville-pro-day/6539533/</a>


Oh wait. He had a cold...


The only person who seems to be making excuses is Bridgewater.

Quote:And some scouts think Manziel sucks too. "Some" scouts say this for every single prospect. Heck there are some who think Clowney wont be good. I know many of you wet your pants whenever you see negative news about Teddy, but try to control yourselves. 

Manziel does suck tho. 

Quote:So...you maintain that he is a "once in a generation" player worthy of paying a coach under the table in order to secure the first pick and draft him first overall.


...and for the record, I think most of us would have more respect for you if you just said something like, "Yeah guys, I may have got a little carried away. I think he's going to be good, but my original stance was probably a bit much."


As it stands, you are currently distancing yourself from your original stance through your posts, but you are too damn arrogant to admit it.


Just a reminder: you banged the drum and preached to us all, for weeks, that Teddy was a surefire franchise changing QB on the level of Manning and Elway. And you chastised and LOL'd at those of us who disagreed. You even created a deep reaching conspiracy worthy of an a Oliver Stone screenplay, in which Texans owner paid his lameduck head coach some fall money to purposely lose games in order to acquire said franchise changing "once in a generation" QB.


And by your stubborn defiance, we are all to assume you still believe all of that of which you were so adamantly convinced about?


When I suggesting 6 months ago that you Houston would not select Teddy 1st overall and you condescendingly LOL'd at me until you dribbled pee down the front of your sweatpants- Is it possible that me declaration wasn't nearly as hilarious as you originally had thought?


C'mon TMD, answer the questions. It's called humility. It won't kill ya.

 

 

Kinda disturbs me that you care so much about this. 

I think it's sad that Manziel is even thought of as half the QB Teddy is, Teddy is a QB, Manziel is a RB who can throw to 6'5 WRs after scrambling around for 5 minutes.

If I were Caldwell I'm taking Watkins at #3 and if Bridgewater falls past pick #16, I'm trading back into the first round and picking him.