Quote:The worst thing is, even if it is a player he once claimed to like, he will be in here saying:
"We could have gotten more value at that pick."
"I liked him, but later in the draft. The Jaguars reached. Alualu."
"We could have traded the pick for Bryce Brown or Ryan Mallet."
I don't even have a problem with what he says but rather the way he says it. He's like an annoying 5 year old badger at times.
Do we seriously need 6 pages of talking about TMD's posts? Talk about feeding the trolls.
Is this forum so lost now that all that happens after the first page is arguing about TMD and what he said last year?
^ the above poster is right. Lets get back to the topic a hand which is Cyprien and his beastlyness.
a lot of the threads go on a bit of a tangent but you can only talk about 1 player so much before other players come up, comparison, previous picks, the rest of the secondary, etc... The thing is, we can talk cyps stats and his play last season until we are blue in the face but he is only going into his second season so we wont truly know how much of a beast he is for a couple years.
so if other random debates surface in a thread, I don't mind diving in.
Cyprien should be a lot better this year. I thought he played pretty solid considering the entire back side of our D was new. Imagine if he takes a jump going into his second year.
The thing about Cyprien is his talent does not appear to be as advertised. As the season progressed, I saw no signs of improvement. A truly talented rookie ascends quickly then may or may not hit a rookie wall.
With Cyprien, it appears that the NFL hit him right away, and not the other way around in the late season. You can't have this out of a second round pick.
Let's just say, when I mess around with those seven-round on-line draft machines and I see Jimmie Ward and Deone Bucannon available in the late second or third, Mr. Cyprien might want to start reserving empty boxes as I have no reservations about moving him. Cyprien did not make enough plays. Cyprien does not finish off the ball carrier like the great safeties do.
How inflexible is this Gus Bradley system? Can Bradley design a defense to fit his talent? I see Cyprien as an old school strong safety. He should be delegated those responsibilities. Tight end? Check. Patrol the flats? Check. Run-stop support? Check. Occasional blitz? Check.
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How inflexible is this Gus Bradley system? Can Bradley design a defense to fit his talent?
Theres the $64,000 question.
The best coaches design around what they have, not vice versa.
Quote:The thing about Cyprien is his talent does not appear to be as advertised. As the season progressed, I saw no signs of improvement. A truly talented rookie ascends quickly then may or may not hit a rookie wall.
With Cyprien, it appears that the NFL hit him right away, and not the other way around in the late season. You can't have this out of a second round pick.
Let's just say, when I mess around with those seven-round on-line draft machines and I see Jimmie Ward and Deone Bucannon available in the late second or third, Mr. Cyprien might want to start reserving empty boxes as I have no reservations about moving him.
How inflexible is this Gus Bradley system? Can Bradley design a defense to fit his talent?
Good post. You're a straight shooter and that's what I like about you.
No funny business.
Quote:The thing about Cyprien is his talent does not appear to be as advertised. As the season progressed, I saw no signs of improvement. A truly talented rookie ascends quickly then may or may not hit a rookie wall.
With Cyprien, it appears that the NFL hit him right away, and not the other way around in the late season. You can't have this out of a second round pick.
Let's just say, when I mess around with those seven-round on-line draft machines and I see Jimmie Ward and Deone Bucannon available in the late second or third, Mr. Cyprien might want to start reserving empty boxes as I have no reservations about moving him. Cyprien did not make enough plays. Cyprien does not finish off the ball carrier like the great safeties do.
How inflexible is this Gus Bradley system? Can Bradley design a defense to fit his talent? I see Cyprien as an old school strong safety. He should be delegated those responsibilities. Tight end? Check. Patrol the flats? Check. Run-stop support? Check. Occasional blitz? Check.
Read the article in the OP and tell us what you disagree with.
TMD was not able to. I doubt you will either.
Quote:The thing about Cyprien is his talent does not appear to be as advertised. As the season progressed, I saw no signs of improvement. A truly talented rookie ascends quickly then may or may not hit a rookie wall.
With Cyprien, it appears that the NFL hit him right away, and not the other way around in the late season. You can't have this out of a second round pick.
Let's just say, when I mess around with those seven-round on-line draft machines and I see Jimmie Ward and Deone Bucannon available in the late second or third, Mr. Cyprien might want to start reserving empty boxes as I have no reservations about moving him. Cyprien did not make enough plays. Cyprien does not finish off the ball carrier like the great safeties do.
How inflexible is this Gus Bradley system? Can Bradley design a defense to fit his talent? I see Cyprien as an old school strong safety. He should be delegated those responsibilities. Tight end? Check. Patrol the flats? Check. Run-stop support? Check. Occasional blitz? Check.
I have to respectfully disagree. From preseason on I saw a ton of improvement from Cyp. The game slowed down for him, his tackling and angles, pursuit all go better. His coverage improved but is still certainly something he needs to Leo on.
Quote:The thing about Cyprien is his talent does not appear to be as advertised. As the season progressed, I saw no signs of improvement. A truly talented rookie ascends quickly then may or may not hit a rookie wall.
With Cyprien, it appears that the NFL hit him right away, and not the other way around in the late season. You can't have this out of a second round pick.
I agree with this. Not only was he a 2nd round pick but he was the #33 pick in the draft which is comparable to a late 1st rounder (e.g. Ravens, 49ers, Patriots...).
That said, I'll give him the benefit fo the doubt since he hasn't seen any talent close to what he saw last year -- after all, FIU did go 3-9 with wins coming off of Akron, South Alabama, and FAU.
Not only as the Defense gelled in the second half of the season, Cyp began to adapt to game speed.
There were less mental/rookie errors and that "Predator" attitude got better and better.
I sometimes wonder if folks remember that we vaporized the roster and were learning to play with
each other as a team. When I think of the addition of Red, Ziggy, Chris and Dekoda this alone will cause
additional stress on opposing QB's
. Stressed QB's make errors. Add a true rush end and SHTF will be order of the day.
I see more upside for Cyp and have been amused at the crawfishing.
Go Jags
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Quote:The thing about Cyprien is his talent does not appear to be as advertised. As the season progressed, I saw no signs of improvement. A truly talented rookie ascends quickly then may or may not hit a rookie wall.
With Cyprien, it appears that the NFL hit him right away, and not the other way around in the late season. You can't have this out of a second round pick.
Let's just say, when I mess around with those seven-round on-line draft machines and I see Jimmie Ward and Deone Bucannon available in the late second or third, Mr. Cyprien might want to start reserving empty boxes as I have no reservations about moving him. Cyprien did not make enough plays. Cyprien does not finish off the ball carrier like the great safeties do.
How inflexible is this Gus Bradley system? Can Bradley design a defense to fit his talent? I see Cyprien as an old school strong safety. He should be delegated those responsibilities. Tight end? Check. Patrol the flats? Check. Run-stop support? Check. Occasional blitz? Check.
You make some valid points but you have to be blind to say you saw no improvements from Cyprien over the season.
He was terrible before the bye and became a very serviceable player as the season went on. We'll have to wait and see how he progresses this year before we put a pin in his role on the defense.
I saw big improvement the 2nd half of the season. He is very athletic and tough. The biggest issue is his mental game. Cyprien improved in the latter half of the season. He will be a good player for us.
Quote:Read the article in the OP and tell us what you disagree with.
TMD was not able to. I doubt you will either.
I'm not debating anything. I am telling you the way it is as I see it.
Cyprien is not going to make it unless he suddenly develops higher talent. If the player is NOT talented when you draft him, you are going to learn the lesson the old fashioned way...you bust.
You can NOT coach Tony Boselli into having crooner talent. He either sings with talent like Bing Crosby or he doesn't.
Quote:I'm not debating anything. I am telling you the way it is as I see it.
Cyprien is not going to make it unless he suddenly develops higher talent. If the player is NOT talented when you draft him, you are going to learn the lesson the old fashioned way...you bust.
You can NOT coach Tony Boselli into having crooner talent. He either sings with talent like Bing Crosby or he doesn't.
So you think the article is wrong but you are unable to say why?
Gotcha.
Lets just blame the Gator infested media on that one too.
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He was terrible before the bye and became a very serviceable player as the season went on.
....and whats the correlation?...
The schedule was difficult in the beginning and got much easier after week 8. So, its not really a surprise that the "perception" might be that Cyp "improved".
Quote:Cyprien is not going to make it unless he suddenly develops higher talent.
Why would anyone think talent was the issue with Cyprien? Did you not learn anything from CS3 year 1 to year 2?
Generally speaking, small college players aren't gonna light it up in their rookie year
Quote:Seattle got a similar player in the 5th round a few years ago.
I never did like the Cyprien selection at 33.
SS that aren't of Polamalu's ability don't have to be selected as high as we took Cyprien.
Quote:How about this. Read the article in the OP and tell us what you disagree with.
For someone with 48k posts on this message board, you sure are incapable of posting anything of substance.
This whole thread is based on an article from Pro Football Focus.
You obviously disagree with the premise of the article, right? So with your superior football knowledge, please let us know what you disagree with.
Quote:Theres the $64,000 question.
The best coaches design around what they have, not vice versa.
Only in the short term (as in when they first arrive and only have what's available to them that are leftovers from the previous regime.) The first year is the chicken salad year. You get by with what you have the best you can.
After that, you add players constantly that you expect to fit your system.
No coach makes wholesale changes or overhauls to what they have built over years and years of trial and error. They make subtle wrinkles. It's a gradual evolution to create a system.
That's the essence of quality. Process management (continuously refine the process) and demanding quality inputs (purge, replace, and develop talent.)
No coach is "stuck" with its roster (if the GM and coach are working together as they should, if they aren't that franchise is doomed.) Guys that don't fit are jettisoned and better players are put in their place.