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Quote:Yea I usually do

Yet you're not now.

Quote:Yes because being the 3rd pick in the draft is just whole universes away from the 1st selection. :wacko: The Jags managing 2 whole spots ahead of the 1st pick just totally validates Gus right now, lol. 

 

I mean, wow, is the above even serious??

Love the indignation. Really plays up the schtick.

Quote:Yet you're not now.

I simply attracted to your ignorance, it has a strong gravitational pull, I now know why you're so attracted to TMD's posts.

Quote:I simply attracted to your ignorance, it has a strong gravitational pull, I now know why you're so attracted to TMD's posts.

Oddly enough, you continue to respond after claiming you ignore most of my posts. If you're trying to imply ignorance attracts ignorance, what exactly are you saying about yourself?

Quote:Yes because being the 3rd pick in the draft is just whole universes away from the 1st selection. :wacko: The Jags managing 2 whole spots ahead of the 1st pick just totally validates Gus right now, lol.


I mean, wow, is the above even serious??

Is Gus Bradley a terrible hire then? Let's get you on record if you aren't already. I'm pretty sure I know what your stance is if we have the first pick in the draft. Your outrage at the question reveals more about how close to the mark I was than anything else.

Quote:If the Jags can get Bridgewater later than 3, then I don't want him at 3. I want the Jags to get the player they want, at the best value possible. 

 

The problem with this is that none of us have any way of knowing the exact spot that Bridgewater (or any other player) would be taken if the Jaguars didn't take them first.  If Cleveland will 100% take Bridgewater at 4 and the Jags take him at 3, we won't know the situation and people on this board will still complain that they should have traded down and taken him later.

 

It's a clear strawman point of view to take.  You put the team in a situation where you can complain about what they did regardless of what they actually do and how good of a move it turned out to be.

Quote:The problem with this is that none of us have any way of knowing the exact spot that Bridgewater (or any other player) would be taken if the Jaguars didn't take them first.  If Cleveland will 100% take Bridgewater at 4 and the Jags take him at 3, we won't know the situation and people on this board will still complain that they should have traded down and taken him later.

 

It's a clear strawman point of view to take.  You put the team in a situation where you can complain about what they did regardless of what they actually do and how good of a move it turned out to be.

 

Thats his MO. 

Quote:Thats his MO.

"Schtick."

Quote:With all the talk of Bridgewater slipping to late round 1 or 2nd round, I still think the Jaguars pick him with the 3rd pick.  Call me crazy but it's a gut feeling.  Your thoughts?

Third pick of a later round, sure. Not the third pick of the first, but then again, as Vic used to say, "I wouldn't worry about that."

There will be far better options to pick from at #3 than Bridgewater.

Quote:There will be far better options to pick from at #3 than Bridgewater.

 

My only concern is this: When will we get a shot at a prospect who is better than Teddy? Hes not perfect. But next year we probably wont be selecting top 5. Maybe the top 3 prospects are gone by our selection. Relying on 2nd rounders or beyond to become "the guy" isnt really a great plan. The odds are stacked heavily against you. 

 

I agree that Mack/Watkins are higher rated players. But Im not so sure it would be wise to pass on a QB who IMO has the potential to be the leader of a franchise. Maybe he's not going to be a Brees/Manning/Luck, but I mean, who is? Its rare that those guys come around. If thats the standard for drafting a QB in the 1st you are going to be waiting a long time. If you think he doesnt have the capability to be an upper tier QB then ok, select a building block and I wont really be against it. But Im just hoping the front office isnt relying on hitting a late round QB to be successful, because those odds are very low. 

Quote:My only concern is this: When will we get a shot at a prospect who is better than Teddy? Hes not perfect. But next year we probably wont be selecting top 5. Maybe the top 3 prospects are gone by our selection. Relying on 2nd rounders or beyond to become "the guy" isnt really a great plan. The odds are stacked heavily against you.


I agree that Mack/Watkins are higher rated players. But Im not so sure it would be wise to pass on a QB who IMO has the potential to be the leader of a franchise. Maybe he's not going to be a Brees/Manning/Luck, but I mean, who is? Its rare that those guys come around. If thats the standard for drafting a QB in the 1st you are going to be waiting a long time. If you think he doesnt have the capability to be an upper tier QB then ok, select a building block and I wont really be against it. But Im just hoping the front office isnt relying on hitting a late round QB to be successful, because those odds are very low.

If we aren't selecting in the top 5 next year, that means the team is improving, yes?


And just because we aren't picking in the top 5 doesn't mean we won't have an opportunity to move into a position to do so if necessary.


This notion we must grab Bridgewater just because, even if it's a reach, is pretty shortsighted. Especially if you draft the guy and he proves to be anything but a franchise QB. Then you've wasted the third pick in the draft on a player who wasn't worth it, passing on one who was. Haven't we seen enough of that in the past to want to avoid those types of pratfalls?

Quote:If we aren't selecting in the top 5 next year, that means the team is improving, yes?


And just because we aren't picking in the top 5 doesn't mean we won't have an opportunity to move into a position to do so if necessary.


This notion we must grab Bridgewater just because, even if it's a reach, is pretty shortsighted. Especially if you draft the guy and he proves to be anything but a franchise QB. Then you've wasted the third pick in the draft on a player who wasn't worth it, passing on one who was. Haven't we seen enough of that in the past to want to avoid those types of pratfalls?

 

Well yeah obviously dont pick him if you dont believe in him. I just think he is going to be the best QB prospect we have a shot at. We could always trade up next year I guess but im not sure Dave would do that. 

Quote:Well yeah obviously dont pick him if you dont believe in him. I just think he is going to be the best QB prospect we have a shot at. We could always trade up next year I guess but im not sure Dave would do that.

We're going to have a shot at every QB prospect.


If this year addresses all of the major issues with the roster, Caldwell's philosophy may change. Nobody knows for sure what will happen next year.

Quote:My only concern is this: When will we get a shot at a prospect who is better than Teddy? Hes not perfect. But next year we probably wont be selecting top 5. Maybe the top 3 prospects are gone by our selection. Relying on 2nd rounders or beyond to become "the guy" isnt really a great plan. The odds are stacked heavily against you. 

 

I agree that Mack/Watkins are higher rated players. But Im not so sure it would be wise to pass on a QB who IMO has the potential to be the leader of a franchise. Maybe he's not going to be a Brees/Manning/Luck, but I mean, who is? Its rare that those guys come around. If thats the standard for drafting a QB in the 1st you are going to be waiting a long time. If you think he doesnt have the capability to be an upper tier QB then ok, select a building block and I wont really be against it. But Im just hoping the front office isnt relying on hitting a late round QB to be successful, because those odds are very low.

Not trying to call you out specifically, but the above is the definition of drafting scared. Reread it and think about it.

Quote:My only concern is this: When will we get a shot at a prospect who is better than Teddy? Hes not perfect. But next year we probably wont be selecting top 5. Maybe the top 3 prospects are gone by our selection. Relying on 2nd rounders or beyond to become "the guy" isnt really a great plan. The odds are stacked heavily against you. 

 

I agree that Mack/Watkins are higher rated players. But Im not so sure it would be wise to pass on a QB who IMO has the potential to be the leader of a franchise. Maybe he's not going to be a Brees/Manning/Luck, but I mean, who is? Its rare that those guys come around. If thats the standard for drafting a QB in the 1st you are going to be waiting a long time. If you think he doesnt have the capability to be an upper tier QB then ok, select a building block and I wont really be against it. But Im just hoping the front office isnt relying on hitting a late round QB to be successful, because those odds are very low. 

 

 

If we don't get the QB this year then we go Winless for Winston next year.... :whistling: 

Quote:If we don't get the QB this year then we go Winless for Winston next year.... :whistling:

Or we could have Tanked for Teddy, Missed for Mallett, or Lost for Lefevour...

 

Hmm...

Disagree with Bridgewater being a reach at 3. Bridgewater is far more polished than any of these players coming out of college 

 

- Cam Newton 

- Kaepernick 

- Wilson

- Flacco 

- Brady

 

I would select any of the above QB's at 3 any day (perhaps not Newton).

 

GM's also take into account the class for next year, and unless all of those underclassmen declare, it looks like a pretty thin QB class. Take Teddy, let Henne play and take several beatings, keep building, and then lets be a playoff team in 2015 and 2016. 

Quote:If we don't get the QB this year then we go Winless for Winston next year.... :whistling:

Sigh, if people are really putting this much paralysis by analysis into Teddy I am absolutely terrified of how they are going to treat Winston next year. Obviously it's super early and he still has time to develop, but he also has so many flaws right now. Mariota is easily rated higher than him at this point, and I know a lot of people on here don't really like Mariota but he is so much more polished as a QB and has just as much potential. 

Quote:If we don't get the QB this year then we go Winless for Winston next year.... :whistling:

But how much money will Shad pay Gus to purposely lose all of the games next year?!?


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