They're all dead.
Two stolen passports used to board the flight. Not a good sign. If it is terrorism, I wonder if it's related to the group that committed the knife attack in Kunming City on March 1st.
Quote:They're all dead.
Two stolen passports used to board the flight. Not a good sign. If it is terrorism, I wonder if it's related to the group that committed the knife attack in Kunming City on March 1st.
That was my gut reaction when I first heard the story.
The media is even reporting that the Boeing 777 is one of the safest, and most reliable aircraft in the World. I think everyone is hoping that this was just a horrible accident, but deep-down, we all expect what the truth is...
Quote:That was my gut reaction when I first heard the story.
The media is even reporting that the Boeing 777 is one of the safest, and most reliable aircraft in the World. I think everyone is hoping that this was just a horrible accident, but deep-down, we all expect what the truth is...
I'm with you loud & clear jagswilldestroyou....agreed.
I had not heard any reporting on communications ... so was there no distress communications?
Quote:I had not heard any reporting on communications ... so was there no distress communications?
It seems to have simply vanished.
I've been speculating some and it's a little concerning. If there was a bomb in the cargo compartment, why were the two stolen passport users on board? A bomb of that sort could be detonated with a timer. If there was a bomb in the passenger compartment, did each person bring an innocuous looking component on board? If so, that changes everything for all of us travelers.
No one has taken credit yet which may preclude a terrorist action.
The 777 is a relatively new aircraft. It's a big and robust with an excellent safety record. The chance of a sudden catastrophic failure is remote but that can be answered by looking at maintenance records which are being examined with a fine tooth comb right now.
Regardless of the cause, my thoughts are with the families of these people. As a traveler myself, it gives me pause. We put our lives in the hands of so many different people when flying and hope for the best. Occasionally something fails in the system and catastrophe strikes. I hope no one suffered.
It's an awful story for sure. I have flown to the Philippines and India for my job. Even though you usually feel safe, you still take pause anytime you step on the plane.
I haven't been on a plane since I was 14 pre-9/11 and I don't ever have the intention of getting back on one.
Quote:It seems to have simply vanished.
I've been speculating some and it's a little concerning. If there was a bomb in the cargo compartment, why were the two stolen passport users on board? A bomb of that sort could be detonated with a timer. If there was a bomb in the passenger compartment, did each person bring an innocuous looking component on board? If so, that changes everything for all of us travelers. No one has taken credit yet which may preclude a terrorist action.
The 777 is a relatively new aircraft. It's a big and robust with an excellent safety record. The chance of a sudden catastrophic failure is remote but that can be answered by looking at maintenance records which are being examined with a fine tooth comb right now.
Regardless of the cause, my thoughts are with the families of these people. As a traveler myself, it gives me pause. We put our lives in the hands of so many different people when flying and hope for the best. Occasionally something fails in the system and catastrophe strikes. I hope no one suffered.
Maybe if there were bombers they planned on killing themselves along with everyone else?
It's a very sad and tragic story for everyone.
Quote:I haven't been on a plane since I was 14 pre-9/11 and I don't ever have the intention of getting back on one.
With the exception of the horrendously inefficient security theater that is the TSA, it is now safer than it has ever been.
Quote:With the exception of the horrendously inefficient security theater that is the TSA, it is now safer than it has ever been.
I understand that it's the incredibly inefficient TSA I want to avoid. Not to mention I can't think of a reason id need to fly anywhere, heck I've only left Florida maybe a dozen times and half of those trips where to Georgia Tennessee or South Carolina. Twice have made the trip to DC never plan on going that far north again and the one time I was on a plane was a church trip to South America where we built a church.
Just saw where Vietnam was sending a helicopter to a yellow raft believed to maybe be from the missing plane.
This is such a tragic story. I've been on Malaysian Airlines a few times and they've provided great service from my experience.
Quote:With the exception of the horrendously inefficient security theater that is the TSA, it is now safer than it has ever been.
While many think they may be inefficient, wouldn't they be a big reason that flying is safer than its ever been?
This is the exact reason I dont mind an extra security check while flying. Malaysian Airlines does not have the same security as flights in the US since they do not fly here.
Also, I believe the 5 people that did not get on the plane had their bags full, and they said many people get on planes with stolen passports in this region so they can fly to a Western country.
Quote:While many think they may be inefficient, wouldn't they be a big reason that flying is safer than its ever been?
This is the exact reason I dont mind an extra security check while flying. Malaysian Airlines does not have the same security as flights in the US since they do not fly here.
Also, I believe the 5 people that did not get on the plane had their bags full, and they said many people get on planes with stolen passports in this region so they can fly to a Western country.
The problem wasn't enough security, it was the mindset with which hijackings were approached that was exploited. General rule was to sit tight and wait it out. That's not going to happen anymore. Nowadays the biggest threat to a plane is from a bomb smuggled into the plane either in checked luggage or from ground crew. Neither of which is checked by the TSA.
Quote:The problem wasn't enough security, it was the mindset with which hijackings were approached that was exploited. General rule was to sit tight and wait it out. That's not going to happen anymore. Nowadays the biggest threat to a plane is from a bomb smuggled into the plane either in checked luggage or from ground crew. Neither of which is checked by the TSA.
How was it not security when two people stole passports and it was put on Interpol, and somehow still got on the plane?
5 people checked into the flight, and hopefully all their baggage was pulled....
I would call that security.
Quote:How was it not security when two people stole passports and it was put on Interpol, and somehow still got on the plane?
5 people checked into the flight, and hopefully all their baggage was pulled....
I would call that security.
The Interpol database has 40 million stolen or missing ID documents in it. No system in the world can check that many listings and still operate efficiently. The TSA does checks at the airport to see if the person on the boarding pass is the same as the person on the passport but it doesn't cross reference every stolen document on Interpol's list.
Intrestingly when Malaysia Air had been asked for ACARS data, there has been no comment.
Originally an airline official said data was being reviewed but no response given since then.
Automatic Communications And Reporting System data sends coded signals to satellite or ground stations about aircraft performance.
ACARS data is what helped forensic analysts with the Air France crash.
Any anomaly detected by the algorithm is reported immediately.
This data could either be close held during the investigation or it ceased, which lends credibility to catastrophic in flight incident.
Any way it does not look like there will be a favorable outcome.
Quote:With the exception of the horrendously inefficient security theater that is the TSA, it is now safer than it has ever been.
The Israelis laugh at the TSA. Their security is so effective because they have the unmitigated gall to do the 'P' word so deeply troubling to the U.S. - Profile.
Quote:The Israelis laugh at the TSA. Their security is so effective because they have the unmitigated gall to do the 'P' word so deeply troubling to the U.S. - Profile.
Profiling is only a problem for the ones that seemingly wish to enable harm being done.
I have no problem profiling. If one is doing nothing wrong/ not hiding anything, then they won't get arrested. Profiling is merely "moneyball" but in the realm of security. "Too bad if they don't like it" is how I would handle it. Once the statistics proved to refocus, then any changes would be made by that. Math is colorblind/ ethnic blind.