He's pretty much the second coming of John Kitna.
I can't hate Henne, because he's proof of something I've been saying for years: a good QB is hard to find.
We used to crucify David for not playing like Tom.
Now we Praise Chad for not playing like Blaine.
I welcome our kinder gentler ways and all, but man, we can do better.
Good QB are not easy to find.....thats why you don't pass on one .....or TWO.....just because you already drafted BUM Byron Leftwich a year or 2 prior. Which is exactly what we did when both Roethlisberger and Rodgers were sitting in our laps during our 2004, 2005 drafts, respectively.
Quote:Good QB are not easy to find.....thats why you don't pass on one .....or TWO.....just because you already drafted BUM Byron Leftwich a year or 2 prior. Which is exactly what we did when both Roethlisberger and Rodgers were sitting in our laps during our 2004, 2005 drafts, respectively.
What a news scoop, Jimmy Olsen.
I never thought of that, nor read about it 10000 times in this forum.
Quote:Well, there's the Jets for one...
Quote:There are a lot of terrible QBs in the NFL. What are you smoking?
That was the point.
You're the one on the Henne Hatefest. Those other terrible QBs in the NFL wouldn't have done better here with that line up, even a few better than average would have struggled here.
Quote:What a news scoop, Jimmy Olsen.
I never thought of that, nor read about it 10000 times in this forum.
Apparently it is/ was a news scoop for this franchise, genius....we went through long period of time ignoring QB development.
Quote:That was the point Einstein. And if I was smoking anything it would come from Oklahomie.
You're the one on the Henne Hatefest. Those other terrible QBs in the NFL wouldn't have done better here with that line up, even a few better than average would have struggled here.
That clinches it, we've got to stick with Henne. There are lots of bad QBs in the league, so we'd better lock ours down before the competition for him heats up!
Quote:That clinches it, we've got to stick with Henne. There are lots of bad QBs in the league, so we'd better lock ours down before the competition for him heats up!
Yup, add 2112 to that list too.
Quote:That clinches it, we've got to stick with Henne. There are lots of bad QBs in the league, so we'd better lock ours down before the competition for him heats up!
As a back up. What don't you get about that? Get another sub par QB as you suggest? Learn a new system and help the rook pick up on it?
Fans that attend games have suffered for years attending games. Maybe you guys on the couch have better insight.
All complaints, no solutions.
Quote:Yup, add 2112 to that list too.
Did you read what I said at the top of the page? Or are you reverting back to pre-ban TMD logic?
If I we all hadn't read Ketchman stating your obvious point for the past 5 years, pretty much daily, you wouldn't have gotten the cub reporter treatment. Yes, we know you don't pass on Rodgers or Roethlisberger just because you've invested in your QB - which I'm certainly not.
The bigger issue, being argued in other threads is WHO that QB is THIS year, if anyone.
NO ONE thinks it's Henne. We just have different ideas about his significance.
Quote:I'm not trolling and i'm not saying he should start next year, but let's think about what he had to work with.. a terrible O line, no RB, 1 good WR and a bunch of rookies/UDFAs under a rookie HC and OC. I hope we keep him around as a back up, because it's clear to me at least that he's not nearly as bad as we've made him out to be, now obviously he isn't "the guy" and is not a franchise QB, but he's definitely a more serviceable backup than Gabbert or Stanzi.
Agreed in comparasion he is far better than Blaine Gabbert with the same line, receivers, etc and I wouldnt mind if they resigned Chad to be the backup but I dont think any fans really want to see him as the franchise QB long term as Gus had suggested.
No, we really haven't been too hard on Henne. The fact is he is at best a decent backup. While he hasn't had much to work with -- he hasn't given the offense much to work with either. Some people think that he's a 'good backup' even one of the 'best backups in the league'. I don't think that's remotely the case, and I think it wouldn't be hard to upgrade him.
Chad Henne was abysmal in the Red Zone last year. His stats outside of that were better -- but some in part thanks to Garbagé time.
I'm not sure we'll upgrade him in Free Agency. I think we potentially could. But I think Caldwell will determine it's not worth it in the long run.
Are there worse QB's out there? Absolutely. But I don't think our aim is 'better than Gabbert' at this point. Or at least I hope it's not. Going into next year with Henne as the starter (for the entire year), and I think this team will have another Top 5 pick next year.
Quote:Its funny seeing the "usual suspects" being the ones to lay the groundwork by defending Henne....
Its almost like they sense the Jags not going QB high in the draft, so they are in prep mode of brother-in-law'ing the organization (what else is new?)) Yet, they try to spin it as the people that have a bad opinion of Henne as "the bad guys".... Its laughable.
They can't just say it like it is. Henne is terrible - independent of our QB situation.
It's posts like this that really expose how silly you can be at times. Nobody is "brother-in-law'ing" anything here. They're simply looking at the options, and they are smart enough (apparently smarter than you) to recognize that there may not be an opportunity to truly upgrade the QB position this year either in the draft, or free agency.
For whatever reason, you're incapable of recognizing this reality. Probably because you're still trying to spin Bridgewater like he's a legitimate franchise QB. What's really funny about your situation is that many teams, and a lot of experts who you like to reference when they serve your purposes are starting to come to the same conclusion about the QB crop in the 2014 draft. It's not nearly as good as some have been lead to believe.
Henne isn't terrible. Henne is as average as the QB you referred to as being "elite" a few years back. His skill set is different, but he's just as pedestrian as David Garrard was when he was here. The reality here is that based on the options presented to this team, Henne may very well be the best one for the short term. That's not an endorsement of his mad QB skills as I know you'll attempt to spin it so you can convince yourself you're the smartest guy in the room.
It's simply a statement of fact that the rookie pool isn't presenting this team with a guaranteed legitimate starter who can step in and be better than Henne.
The free agent market is also not providing this team with a savior.
So, this team may be stuck with Henne for another year. That's the reality. You call it brother-in-law'ing directed at those who live in the real world. That's fine. You're certainly entitled to keep deluding yourself into thinking you're smarter than anyone else here by throwing terms like that around, but you and I both know the truth is you're no deep thinker.
Quote:It's posts like this that really expose how silly you can be at times. Nobody is "brother-in-law'ing" anything here. They're simply looking at the options, and they are smart enough (apparently smarter than you) to recognize that there may not be an opportunity to truly upgrade the QB position this year either in the draft, or free agency.
For whatever reason, you're incapable of recognizing this reality. Probably because you're still trying to spin Bridgewater like he's a legitimate franchise QB. What's really funny about your situation is that many teams, and a lot of experts who you like to reference when they serve your purposes are starting to come to the same conclusion about the QB crop in the 2014 draft. It's not nearly as good as some have been lead to believe.
Henne isn't terrible. Henne is as average as the QB you referred to as being "elite" a few years back. His skill set is different, but he's just as pedestrian as David Garrard was when he was here. The reality here is that based on the options presented to this team, Henne may very well be the best one for the short term. That's not an endorsement of his mad QB skills as I know you'll attempt to spin it so you can convince yourself you're the smartest guy in the room.
It's simply a statement of fact that the rookie pool isn't presenting this team with a guaranteed legitimate starter who can step in and be better than Henne.
The free agent market is also not providing this team with a savior.
So, this team may be stuck with Henne for another year. That's the reality. You call it brother-in-law'ing directed at those who live in the real world. That's fine. You're certainly entitled to keep deluding yourself into thinking you're smarter than anyone else here by throwing terms like that around, but you and I both know the truth is you're no deep thinker.
Yep, and this is one of the people I was talking about ^^^
There most certainly is a bonafide upgrade to the position this offseason, and its NOT ONLY with Bridgewater. (Even though Bridge is clearly the top of the crop). Manziel, Bortles, Garoppolo and even a trade for Mallett, all would do the trick.
Henne IS terrible....and you know this, or else your head is just as much the "hat rack" as you labeling others of having. You are just in the usual fence sitting position - ready to brother in law the Jags front office for passing on legitimate QB's again, this offseason. There are legit QB options. Plenty.
Oh, and by the way, FBT...
A few weeks ago, you entertained the idea of the Jags bringing in MICHAEL VICK, okay....I'd check your judgments at the door, lol
Quote:No, we really haven't been too hard on Henne. The fact is he is at best a decent backup. While he hasn't had much to work with -- he hasn't given the offense much to work with either. Some people think that he's a 'good backup' even one of the 'best backups in the league'. I don't think that's remotely the case, and I think it wouldn't be hard to upgrade him.
Chad Henne was abysmal in the Red Zone last year. His stats outside of that were better -- but some in part thanks to Garbagé time.
I'm not sure we'll upgrade him in Free Agency. I think we potentially could. But I think Caldwell will determine it's not worth it in the long run.
Are there worse QB's out there? Absolutely. But I don't think our aim is 'better than Gabbert' at this point. Or at least I hope it's not. Going into next year with Henne as the starter (for the entire year), and I think this team will have another Top 5 pick next year.
"Better than Gabbert" may be our only alternative for the short-term. There could be some possibility of upgrading Henne, but seriously, how much of an upgrade are we going to find in free agency? Are there any guys in the draft who could truly step into a starting role and be better than Henne?
The point the OP was making has some validity here because we did have some issues that contributed to our red zone woes last year. It can't all fall on Henne when the running game, and our offensive line were as inept as they were last year. He wasn't perfect by any means, but he also wasn't fully to blame.
Laying the blame at the feet of the QB is nothing unusual. It's either the QB or the coach who are going to take the heat when the team struggles. In the end, if the team isn't getting it done in the red zone, a lot of things are going wrong, not just one player.
If the team fixes the offensive line issues, and finds an impact player to help the running game, and we continue to improve the WR corps, I think even a pedestrian Chad Henne can show improvement. If the team has to go another year with him as the starter because we've drafted a QB who is going to be more or less a developmental guy, then let's hope they do fix the other aspects of the offense.
Quote:"Better than Gabbert" may be our only alternative for the short-term.
If by the above you mean "Henne", then you're not only wrong, but you're merely laying the groundwork to shill.
Theres no good reason on God's green earth that this team should avoid the QB position to the point where Henne is the full time starter next year by choice.
I remember when people were so ready to ditch Garrard. He was terrible. He wasn't the answer. Need our guy.
Our QB situation since he left has become worse. Dire, even.
Good thing is, I don't think we can get much worse. Henne starts, Gabbert starts, rookie starts, or a mixture of the 3... we can only go up from here with our play at QB.
....I hope.
Quote:Yep, and this is one of the people I was talking about ^^^
There most certainly is a bonafide upgrade to the position this offseason, and its NOT ONLY with Bridgewater. (Even though Bridge is clearly the top of the crop). Manziel, Bortles, Garoppolo and even a trade for Mallett, all would do the trick.
Henne IS terrible....and you know this, or else your head is just as much the "hat rack" as you labeling others of having. You are just in the usual fence sitting position - ready to brother in law the Jags front office for passing on legitimate QB's again, this offseason. There are legit QB options. Plenty.
None of those rookies are a "bonafide" upgrade for sure. That's simply you doing what you normally do, confusing fact with your opinion. Nothing is guaranteed, but keep on convincing yourself how smart you are.
Henne is serviceable as needed until we can find a legitimate upgrade. I know this concept really confuses you, but don't worry. Other people understand my point. Eventually someone will find a way to dumb it down enough so you'll grasp. I don't anticipate the front office NOT bringing in a QB or two this off season. I, like others here, simply realize that just because you bring in players doesn't mean they're magically going to be an immediate fix. The odds of that are slim. There aren't "plenty" of legitimate options available. There are plenty of POSSIBLE options, of which I'm sure the team is going to explore.
Quote:Oh, and by the way, FBT...
A few weeks ago, you entertained the idea of the Jags bringing in MICHAEL VICK, okay....I'd check your judgments at the door, lol
You do understand the context of that recommendation, right? I know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but really? There was a point to that recommendation that clearly eludes you.
Quote:If by the above you mean "Henne", then you're not only wrong, but you're merely laying the groundwork to shill.
Theres no good reason on God's green earth that this team should avoid the QB position to the point where Henne is the full time starter next year by choice.
You're really not worthy of any more responses. You're not smart enough to understand the point.
Quote:I remember when people were so ready to ditch Garrard. He was terrible. He wasn't the answer. Need our guy.
Our QB situation since he left has become worse. Dire, even.
Yep, and I brought the argument up THEN, that people around here were cluelessly overbashing Garrard, because I saw Garrard "at worst" as nothing less than average.
I knew there was worse than Garrard, yet certain people on this board kept with their crusade, led with their overused vs Tennessee meltdown to cite Garrard as the worst QB in the league and someone we just had to get rid of ASAP....
The better plan would have been to keep Garrard as the starter until a Jaguars developed QB proved to earn the promotion to unseat him.