Quote:the age difference is about 5 years when they played for their respective teams.
Hasselbeck in 2009, 2010 threw for:
3029 yards, 60.0%, 6.2 ypa, 17 tds / 17 ints, 75.1 rating
3001 yards, 59.9%, 6.8 ypa, 12 tds / 17 ints, 73.2 rating
Henne in 2012, 2013 threw for:
2084 yards, 53.9%, 6.8 ypa, 11tds / 11 ints / 72.2 rating
3241 yards, 60.6%, 6.4 ypa, 13tds / 14 ints / 76.5 rating
i see similar production and play from an 34 year old hasselbeck and 28 year old henne.
Ok, that explains why you are making your comparisons, but the difference being that Hasselbeck already had displayed a high level of QB in his career past. These past 2 years pretty much is Henne's high water mark. Its not getting any better from here, and could easily decline. How many games were won with Hasselbeck as starter compared to Henne in that same time?
Quote:Haha, concession....
I understand the point very well. Thats your problem here.
That's not a concession. That's pity for you.
Quote:Ok, that explains why you are making your comparisons, but the difference being that Hasselbeck already had displayed a high level of QB in his career past. These past 2 years pretty much is Henne's high water mark. Its not getting any better from here, and could easily decline. How many games were won with Hasselbeck as starter compared to Henne in that same time?
Seahawks
4- 12
7 - 9 (won the weak NFC west)
Jaguars
2 - 14
4 - 12
Blaine started a couple of the games above, so I'd saw it's relatively close. Henne is what he is, but he's not absolute trash. The devil you know kind of deal.
Also, if we resign Henne, I'l go on record to say he has his career year in 2014. That will be good for us since we've already locked him up for the term he'll be useful for us (mentoring a developmental QB).
Quote:That's not a concession. That's pity for you.
Label it whatever you wish/ need to try and snag some faux support from the peanut gallery....peel off the layer of bull poop and its a concession.
We both know how you like to take the side of the Jaguars FO in debates like these. You know Henne is terrible. You also know that they would be at best making a questionable decision by passing on one of the top 4 QB I mentioned in the top 2 rounds of this draft which would ultimately mean Henne again for 2014.
Quote: You also know that they would be at best making a questionable decision by passing on one of the top 4 QB I mentioned in the top 2 rounds of this draft which would ultimately mean Henne again for 2014.
draft the player, not the position
Quote:draft the player, not the position
I agree.....see post a few posts back.
This year, the draft affords you several QB that will be quality pro's. Hence, "drafting the player" (Bridge/ Manziel/ Bortles) Go get one.
Quote:I agree.....see post a few posts back.
This year, the draft affords you several QB that will be quality pro's. Hence, "drafting the player" (Bridge/ Manziel/ Bortles) Go get one.
in the top 5, we better be getting more than just a quality pro
Quote:I agree.....see post a few posts back.
This year, the draft affords you several QB that will be quality pro's. Hence, "drafting the player" (Bridge/ Manziel/ Bortles) Go get one.
Well 2 of those 3 QBs are not top 3 pick worthy imo.
Quote:Well 2 of those 3 QBs are not top 3 pick worthy imo.
I agree....thats why you make the trade down with Atlanta if Bortles is your guy.
Quote:in the top 5, we better be getting more than just a quality pro
Especially since you'd be conceding higher caliber players at other positions. Draft Hara Kiri for a team that needs to get the most out of every pick.
Quote:franchise level QB.
LOL... not in this draft at pick #3.
Quote:LOL... not in this draft at pick #3.
Teddy Bridgewater is about as close as it gets, I get the feeling that the Teddy haters are simply racist at this point if you actually watched all of his snaps like I have you'd see the kid can play QB.
Quote:Teddy Bridgewater is about as close as it gets, I get the feeling that the Teddy haters are simply racist at this point if you actually watched all of his snaps like I have you'd see the kid can play QB.
If you have to resort to the racism card, your argument is inherently weak.
Quote:I agree....thats why you make the trade down with Atlanta if Bortles is your guy.
because he's worth the #6 pick but not the 3rd pick? and CLE and OAK are just gonna pass on a QB good enough to go #6 overall?
sounds like you have a great plan
Quote:because he's worth the #6 pick but not the 3rd pick? and CLE and OAK are just gonna pass on a QB good enough to go #6 overall?
sounds like you have a great plan
Trading down to #6 recoups value.
I understand you are probably like Gene Smith and puff your chest out thinking - I will take MY player ANYWHERE I want....macho jumbo - you know, the kind of attitude that gets you Alualu at pick 11....., but smart people assign proper value to perspective draft picks and try to get those players where they belong.
Its entirely possible that one of the big 3 falls to 6. I think it should be Bortles, since he's the least talented of the 3.
If all 3 are indeed gone, then you take Mack or the BAP at that point (6), or even trade down some more.
The idea is to have contingency plans....something Gene Smith was either too stupid or too proud to do.
Quote:Trading down to #6 recoups value.
I understand you are probably like Gene Smith and puff your chest out thinking - I will take MY player ANYWHERE I want....macho jumbo - you know, the kind of attitude that gets you Alualu at pick 11....., but smart people assign proper value to perspective draft picks and try to get those players where they belong.
Its entirely possible that one of the big 3 falls to 6. I think it should be Bortles, since he's the least talented of the 3.
If all 3 are indeed gone, then you take Mack or the BAP at that point (6), or even trade down some more.
The idea is to have contingency plans....something Gene Smith was either too stupid or too proud to do.
it would be incredibly foolish to trade down 3 spots if you felt like a franchise QB is staring you in the face and 2 teams behind you have just as much of a need at QB as youi, has nothing to do with macho jumbo or whatever you're talking about
if we trade down with no intention of taking a QB in the top 10 and thinking that Mack or Watkins would be there at 6, then I would agree with what you're saying, but I can't understand trading down hoping your franchise saving QB is going to be there and if he's not just getting a consolation prize
Quote:Trading down to #6 recoups value.
I understand you are probably like Gene Smith and puff your chest out thinking - I will take MY player ANYWHERE I want....macho jumbo - you know, the kind of attitude that gets you Alualu at pick 11....., but smart people assign proper value to perspective draft picks and try to get those players where they belong.
Its entirely possible that one of the big 3 falls to 6. I think it should be Bortles, since he's the least talented of the 3.
If all 3 are indeed gone, then you take Mack or the BAP at that point (6), or even trade down some more.
The idea is to have contingency plans....something Gene Smith was either too stupid or too proud to do.
This has nothing to do with Alualu, Gene Smith, macho jumbo (whatever that's supposed to be) and everything to do with getting your franchise QB. Whatever you get in return in moving down three spots (maybe an extra third?) is not worth potentially losing a guy you have pegged as a franchise QB. And you know that.
I see this idea kind of tossed around...
"no franchise caliber guys"
"not worthy of top 3-5"
"no Andrew Lucks"
Is it not possible to draft a guy #3 that becomes a franchise guy based on his skills and maturation process in the NFL and under Gus (and other coaches)
Why not Teddy (or Manziel or whomever) and maybe he isn't ready day 1, maybe Henne (or Gabbert) starts 8 games... or 16 games...
And Teddy is ready day 1 of 2015... Likely more ready than whatever rook is drafted #1 overall or what have you in that years draft.
Quote:I see this idea kind of tossed around...
"no franchise caliber guys"
"not worthy of top 3-5"
"no Andrew Lucks"
Is it not possible to draft a guy #3 that becomes a franchise guy based on his skills and maturation process in the NFL and under Gus (and other coaches)
Why not Teddy (or Manziel or whomever) and maybe he isn't ready day 1, maybe Henne (or Gabbert) starts 8 games... or 16 games...
And Teddy is ready day 1 of 2015... Likely more ready than whatever rook is drafted #1 overall or what have you in that years draft.
I don't think anyone is saying a player can't be developed. My point here is that any player who is a developmental project is not going to be considered an immediate upgrade for Henne. He's going to require time to develop into the eventual starter. I think most people feel that way. There are probably only a few on this board who truly subscribe to the mindset that there is a legitimate immediate starter in the draft.
The point of this thread is that your best "bridge" option right now appears to be the guy who currently holds the starting position. I would imagine the front office is getting ready to announce they've come to terms with Henne for an extension so they can have that insurance policy in place prior to the draft. Henne knows the system, and he is serviceable until the eventual starter is up to speed.