Quote:Teddy Bridgewater is about as close as it gets, I get the feeling that the Teddy haters are simply racist at this point if you actually watched all of his snaps like I have you'd see the kid can play QB.
Yeah, that's it. It's all about being racists. It couldn't have anything to do with having concerns about his durability at the next level, or the fact that when he's faced stronger competition, he hasn't been overly impressive with his production. It's all about skin color. Okey dokey.
As someone above has already pointed out, once you resort to the race card in the debate, you're pretty much out of arguments.
Quote:I don't think anyone is saying a player can't be developed. My point here is that any player who is a developmental project is not going to be considered an immediate upgrade for Henne. He's going to require time to develop into the eventual starter. I think most people feel that way. There are probably only a few on this board who truly subscribe to the mindset that there is a legitimate immediate starter in the draft.
The point of this thread is that your best "bridge" option right now appears to be the guy who currently holds the starting position. I would imagine the front office is getting ready to announce they've come to terms with Henne for an extension so they can have that insurance policy in place prior to the draft. Henne knows the system, and he is serviceable until the eventual starter is up to speed.
Um....a "bridge" QB is one that is the temporary caretaker starter until the DRAFTED future QB is ready - as in SAME SEASON. If the Jags bring back Henne next season while not drafting what they envision as their franchise QB high, then thats not the same situation.
Example: when the Eagles signed and started Doug Pederson the first half of 1999 when they already drafted McNabb at 2 to be the future. Thats a "bridge" QB....
Your use of "bridge" QB seems to be flawed.
Quote:Um....a "bridge" QB is one that is the temporary caretaker starter until the DRAFTED future QB is ready - as in SAME SEASON. If the Jags bring back Henne next season while not drafting what they envision as their franchise QB high, then thats not the same situation.
Example: when the Eagles signed and started Doug Pederson the first half of 1999 when they already drafted McNabb at 2 to be the future.
Your use of "bridge" QB seems to be flawed.
They're not going to sign Henne to a 1 year deal. If there isn't a guy in this draft who can be developed into a starting QB, Henne is still in place.
I won't bother talking logic with you because it's a lost cause. Logic is something that simply doesn't equate to you and your agenda whoring.
Quote:They're not going to sign Henne to a 1 year deal. If there isn't a guy in this draft who can be developed into a starting QB, Henne is still in place.
OK, then thats not a "bridge" QB. You need to sharpen up on your football terms. I just gave you an example of what a bridge QB is.
Also, not really sure how you are labeling this as "agenda whoring"....but then given that you mistakenly used "bridge QB", you are also blanket stating with that term, too. No agenda here, other than not wanting a bad QB in Henne here as a full time starter next season.
Quote:OK, then thats not a "bridge" QB. You need to sharpen up on your football terms. I just gave you an example of what a bridge QB is.
Also, not really sure how you are labeling this as "agenda whoring"....but then given that you mistakenly used "bridge QB", you are also blanket stating with that term, too. No agenda here, other than not wanting a bad QB in Henne here as a full time starter next season.
He's a bridge to the future. You're not privy to some super secret football terminology that's only shared with fry cooks.
Everything you do on this board is agenda whoring. You know it, and so does everyone else. It's your schtick.
Quote:If you have to resort to the racism card, your argument is inherently weak.
If you presume race has zero impact on everyday happenings, perspectives, etc., then yeah.
That is a factual and logical leap akin to broad jumping the Grand Canyon.
That said, a person can have concerns regarding Bridgewater, racial considerations aside.
Quote:If you presume race has zero impact on everyday happenings, perspectives, etc., then yeah.
That is a factual and logical leap akin to broad jumping the Grand Canyon.
That said, a person can have concerns regarding Bridgewater, racial considerations aside.
I think there are more than enough legitimate concerns there. While he may be the best of the crop in 2014, all that says is that we aren't looking at a draft that's deep in QB talent. There are plenty of guys who have the potential to become franchise level QBs. I don't think any of them are at the level where you can plug them in right away and hit the ground running.
Quote:He's a bridge to the future. You're not privy to some super secret football terminology that's only shared with fry cooks.
Everything you do on this board is agenda whoring. You know it, and so does everyone else. It's your schtick.
In that case (your usage) Henne wouldn't be a "bridge" he'd be a "stop-gap". Not identical concepts.
Quote:In that case Henne wouldn't be a "bridge" he'd be a "stop-gap". Not identical concepts.
Again, this is your schtick coming into play. Argue for the sake of arguing to make yourself feel smart. Good luck with that.
I get it. You're starved for attention. I've got the PMs to prove it, as do others who you whined to when I wasn't responding to you. You desperately need someone to argue with. Again, good luck with that.
Quote:Again, this is your schtick coming into play. Argue for the sake of arguing to make yourself feel smart. Good luck with that.
Not at all. Just trying to help you. A "bridge" QB only applies when you have the future franchise QB already on the roster and is anticipated to claim the starting job at some point in same season.
OK, John. Forget about Caldwell, Bradley, and Khan. This is for you. Who would you like to see the Jaguars pick? I don't care who you think we will pick, because all anyone gets from that question is "all these players projected in the Top 15." You are now the Jerry Jones of this football team. Who is it?
John: I’d like to see Johnny Manziel. I don’t think he’ll be the pick and if I were immersed in the ins and outs of every first-round player, I’m sure I would find other players who could help the team more long-term. But as someone who writes about and follows the team … Johnny Football sure would be intriguing.
Quote:Not at all. Just trying to help you. A "bridge" QB only applies when you have the future franchise QB already on the roster and is anticipated to claim the starting job at some point in same season.
Allow me to queue up the broken record.
Quote:Again, this is your schtick coming into play. Argue for the sake of arguing to make yourself feel smart. Good luck with that.
I get it. You're starved for attention. I've got the PMs to prove it, as do others who you whined to when I wasn't responding to you. You desperately need someone to argue with. Again, good luck with that.
Quote:OK, John. Forget about Caldwell, Bradley, and Khan. This is for you. Who would you like to see the Jaguars pick? I don't care who you think we will pick, because all anyone gets from that question is "all these players projected in the Top 15." You are now the Jerry Jones of this football team. Who is it?
John: I’d like to see Johnny Manziel. I don’t think he’ll be the pick and if I were immersed in the ins and outs of every first-round player, I’m sure I would find other players who could help the team more long-term. But as someone who writes about and follows the team … Johnny Football sure would be intriguing.
While thats Oesher's take...
I think that would be Gus' choice as well. JMO.
Quote:I agree....thats why you make the trade down with Atlanta if Bortles is your guy.
What if atlanta doesnt want to trade?
Quote:What if atlanta doesnt want to trade?
Oh, they'll want to trade once they find out we're offering Henne to them.
Quote:What if atlanta doesnt want to trade?
well, at that point we'd have to see who's available at pick 3. Personally I think only Bridge & Manziel (of the QB) would be value picks there. Bortles would be slightly reaching there, since I see his ceiling as the lower end of franchise QB.
You have to get a flat out stud player at a pick that high. One who will be the class of his position.
Quote:I think there are more than enough legitimate concerns there. While he may be the best of the crop in 2014, all that says is that we aren't looking at a draft that's deep in QB talent. There are plenty of guys who have the potential to become franchise level QBs. I don't think any of them are at the level where you can plug them in right away and hit the ground running.
I don't know how many "legit" concerns there are regarding Bridgewater as a first round prospect.
Now #3 overall? Some may question his lack of ideal height (Ideally 6'4" instead of Bridgewater's 6'2"). Some may think his arm strength isn't Elway-esque. Those who believe those who fit the prototype should be picked in the top 5 would knock him for that. I have a problem with the way he exposes the ball when pressured. Not sure about the durability issues.
However, those concerns would not be enough to sway me from picking him at 3 considering his strengths-especially if Clowney is off the board. His arm is strong enough. He's tall enough (considering shorter QBs have succeeded). He can move. His intangibles are off the charts. I think his issues with ball security can be tweaked.
Quote:I don't know how many "legit" concerns there are regarding Bridgewater as a first round prospect.
Now #3 overall? Some may question his lack of ideal height (Ideally 6'4" instead of Bridgewater's 6'2"). Some may think his arm strength isn't Elway-esque. Those who believe those who fit the prototype should be picked in the top 5 would knock him for that. I have a problem with the way he exposes the ball when pressured. Not sure about the durability issues.
However, those concerns would not be enough to sway me from picking him at 3 considering his strengths-especially if Clowney is off the board. His arm is strong enough. He's tall enough (considering shorter QBs have succeeded). He can move. His intangibles are off the charts. I think his issues with ball security can be tweaked.
Bridgewater's hands meet the criteria (over 9) and he doesn't hold the football low as far as I remember.....I don't see fumbles being a big issue at the next level.
Quote:Bridgewater's hands meet the criteria (over 9) and he doesn't hold the football low as far as I remember.....I don't see fumbles being a big issue at the next level.
I wasn't referring to hand size.
I'm talking about how low he holds the ball when he's getting sacked.
I first noticed it against Miami.
I know I saw a cutup on draftbreakdown and saw the same thing.
But even assuming a flaw here, I think it's coachable and correctable, and if given help, Bridgewater can be an outstanding QB.
Quote:I wasn't referring to hand size.
I'm talking about how low he holds the ball when he's getting sacked.
I first noticed it against Miami.
I know I saw a cutup on draftbreakdown and saw the same thing.
But even assuming a flaw here, I think it's coachable and correctable, and if given help, Bridgewater can be an outstanding QB.
Thats something I never paid much attention to. He only got sacked like 10 times this past season.
Interesting though, and something to ponder.