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As much crap as I gave Henne this year, he wasn't THAT bad considering what he had to work with. 

Quote:Not getting a franchise quarterback could spell another 2-3 years of sub .500 play. Even though getting Manziel and Bridgewater do not guarantee the opposite of that, I would like to believe either could lead us above .500 rather than not taking either of them and settling on defense.

 

I mean, having an all-pro defensive end is great, but look at the Texans. They have the BEST defensive end in the league, and are sitting at the bottom of the barrel. Which teams have at least good quarterbacks and weren't competitive this year?

 

Matt Ryan, and Eli Manning said Hello. 

Quote:Unless our goal is to get our franchise QB in 2015.

 

No, that still sucks.

It's hard not to be the laughing stock of the NFL when desire is expressed to re-sign someone as bad as Henne even before seeing who is available in free agency.

I really can't stand watching either of our QBs.  Gabbert, well you know, and Henne is just awful.  I'd be happy if they draft one, sign another, and keep Matt Scott as insurance and see where the season goes from there. 

 

What I really want from this front office is to bring in 4 new QBs and have a battle royal for the starting spot. 

I expect they'll at least offer Henne a contract.  (whether he accepts it is another story)

 

I also expect they'll take a quarterback before the 4th round and that guy will be starting by mid-season. 

Quote:I expect they'll at least offer Henne a contract.  (whether he accepts it is another story)

 

I also expect they'll take a quarterback before the 4th round and that guy will be starting by mid-season. 

 

I'd hope it will be before mid season.  Maybe week 2 or 3.  Unless Henne starts lighting it up in some freak accident situation. 

Henne is a solid backup QB and should be paid as one.  I do think he has earned another contract with the Jags and I do think the Jags need him on the roster in 2014.  You have to have a QB capable of running the full offense and capable of winning games.  Henne is the only QB that gives us that. 

 

I see Henne and Gabbert + a rookie QB entering camp with Henne beginning as the starter, Gabbert the backup, and the rook at #3.  Then just let the rookie earn his way past the others.  If he does it in camp, great, let him start the season. 

 

If the rookie never unseats Henne, then we may have a problem.  But sometimes it takes a year of seasoning for a QB, which we all know Gabbert didn't get.  I think people would be a little more patient, even with a high draft pick, rather than throw him to the wolves or expect him to outplay Henne right away.

I think people are not listening to the GM and they're setting an awfully high bar for their expectations related to when any rookie QB, if we draft one, would take the reins and become the starter.

 

I would love to see the team draft a QB at #3 or #39, and to see that QB holding a clipboard for as long as he possibly can.  I'd much rather be forced to wait to see him succeed, than to throw him into the mix too soon and wind up with Gabbert 2.0. There isn't a QB in this draft who I would think is "plug and play" material.  Each one has issues that will need to be addressed, and I'd much rather see that handled before he takes over and not hope it will click for him somewhere down the road.

Quote:I think people are not listening to the GM and they're setting an awfully high bar for their expectations related to when any rookie QB, if we draft one, would take the reins and become the starter.

 

I would love to see the team draft a QB at #3 or #39, and to see that QB holding a clipboard for as long as he possibly can.  I'd much rather be forced to wait to see him succeed, than to throw him into the mix too soon and wind up with Gabbert 2.0. There isn't a QB in this draft who I would think is "plug and play" material.  Each one has issues that will need to be addressed, and I'd much rather see that handled before he takes over and not hope it will click for him somewhere down the road.

 

I wouldn't hate to see a rookie QB on clipboard duty for his first season.  My prediction of a rookie starting (at some point in his first year)  has more to do with my opinion that he could legitimately push Henne for his job by midseason.  It's wild speculation at this point - but I think there are a few QBs in this class capable of doing so. 

 

Also - for those kicking around the idea of the Jags putting off drafting a QB early until 2015  -  Caldwell sure doesn't sound so inclined. 

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<p style="font-family:'Mercury SSm A', 'Mercury SSm B', Georgia, serif;color:rgb(41,41,41);font-size:16px;">"We'll look at them all- we have looked at them all. Brett is one we've looked at in depth. He was a junior who we didn't know if he was going to come out or not but we had an inkling late in the season so we were able to see him. Was very productive at Wyoming and is an interesting prospect. But i'd say total, we'll probably look at 18-22 quarterbacks this year before the draft."


 
 

Quote:I think people are not listening to the GM and they're setting an awfully high bar for their expectations related to when any rookie QB, if we draft one, would take the reins and become the starter.

 

I would love to see the team draft a QB at #3 or #39, and to see that QB holding a clipboard for as long as he possibly can.  I'd much rather be forced to wait to see him succeed, than to throw him into the mix too soon and wind up with Gabbert 2.0. There isn't a QB in this draft who I would think is "plug and play" material.  Each one has issues that will need to be addressed, and I'd much rather see that handled before he takes over and not hope it will click for him somewhere down the road.

Totally agree

Quote:I think people are not listening to the GM and they're setting an awfully high bar for their expectations related to when any rookie QB, if we draft one, would take the reins and become the starter.

 

I would love to see the team draft a QB at #3 or #39, and to see that QB holding a clipboard for as long as he possibly can.  I'd much rather be forced to wait to see him succeed, than to throw him into the mix too soon and wind up with Gabbert 2.0. There isn't a QB in this draft who I would think is "plug and play" material.  Each one has issues that will need to be addressed, and I'd much rather see that handled before he takes over and not hope it will click for him somewhere down the road.

But, but, if we just draft an quarterback, ANY QUARTERBACK, and start him right away, We'll be the best.....

 

 

Seriously, I'm glad the Jaguar FO is smarter than some of the posters in this thread. They know what they have in Henne. They can also project how he will do with better talent surrounding him than the average Joe fan. They know that they've seen Henne surrounded by the 2 worst rosters in the history of the franchise.

If we take a QB at 3, I have a very hard time believing he wouldn't be a day-1 starter, especially when you take into consideration most first rounders, and in some cases, 2nd rounders, come in and start pretty much right away.


The two most realistic qb options at 3 are Teddy and Johnny. I'd bet the farm Teddy outright wins the job over Henne in training camp, and in Johnny's case, the offense would be tweaked in order to cater to his strengths, which would ease the learning curve.


Now if we wait until round two or three to take a qb...like Jimmy G or, if he falls, Carr, then, okay. I could POSSIBLY see Henne starting for a few games, until he's inevitably benched for poor play.


But a qb taken at 3? Nah. They'll end up being the week one starter. Sure, the organization will preach "open competition" which is the way it should be. But if Henne is the competition, let's be real, it's not going to be as difficult to win the job as people want to make it out to be.

Looking at the past, No QB has been completely ruined just because he started too soon. They were ruined because of their own shortcomings that they couldn't fix.

 

Put the rookie in, coach. He'll either get better or he wont. Holding a clipboard may skip the rough grind at the start but he'll still end up the same.

Quote:Looking at the past, No QB has been completely ruined just because he started too soon. They were ruined because of their own shortcomings that they couldn't fix.

 

Put the rookie in, coach. He'll either get better or he wont. Holding a clipboard may skip the rough grind at the start but he'll still end up the same.

 

 

This.

 

Playing football doesn't ruin young QBs, being a bad QB ruins young QBs.

Henne's best year he had 15 TDs (to go with 19 picks).  Not trying to take shots at the guy, but historically, he just isn't very good.  The numbers do not lie.  And they do not reflect a guy who is going to turn a corner.  Rookies like Manuel and Glennon and sub-par retreads like Campbell and Cassel put up similar or better numbers than he did.  I get that there is value in a guy knowing a system, but it isn't going to change much (unless he gets bit by a radioactive spider).  We can do better by doing pretty much anything OTHER than re-signing him.  We can keep making excuses for the guy or we can bring in someone who is competent at the position. 

Quote:  We can do better by doing pretty much anything OTHER than re-signing him.  We can keep making excuses for the guy or we can bring in someone who is competent at the position. 

 

You don't think he makes sense as the back-up behind a rookie?  (which may entail starting some of the games while the kid prepares)

I think he is an average at best backup.  I willed myself through this season by telling myself, "only x more games and I won't have to see this awful guy anymore."  The thought of him even having the potential to see the field makes my stomach turn.  It's probably an unpopular opinion, but I would almost prefer drafting a rookie QB early who could potentially start day 1 and a rookie late who is more of a project (similar to RGIII and Cousins) and let them compete with Gabbert and Scott. Let the competition determine who stays and who goes in camp.  And to be honest, I would probably draft another QB in the first 4 rounds the following year.  The rookie pay scale allows teams to acquire QBs much more easily than in years past.  Worst case scenario, you have TWO guys who can run the offense with efficiency and maybe you trade one down the line.  My mentality is we need to draft them early and often until one steps up and can run this offense.  Our offense has been doo doo for far too long.   Henne is a security blanket.  An insurance policy.  Okay..  but if he's called on, is he significantly better than what you would have with a rookie?  His stats say no.  His track record says no.  So why commit $3.5M or whatever to lock him into sticking around a couple more years.  Just so we can trot someone out to lose games for us?  He makes me miss Garrard for crying out loud. Even the games we won he was:

 

vs TEN 14-23 for 180 yards and 2 INT

vs HOU 23-32 for 239 yards 0 TDs

vs CLE 22-40 for 195 yards 2 TDs and 1 INT

vs HOU 12-27 for 117 yards and 2 TDs

 

The notion we are screwed without Henne coming back doesn't resonate with me.  These numbers are from the games we actually WON.  And they stink.  Gimme somebody, anybody new to try to get excited about.  I can't fake it with this guy anymore. 

Quote:Henne's best year he had 15 TDs (to go with 19 picks).  Not trying to take shots at the guy, but historically, he just isn't very good.  The numbers do not lie.  And they do not reflect a guy who is going to turn a corner.  Rookies like Manuel and Glennon and sub-par retreads like Campbell and Cassel put up similar or better numbers than he did.  I get that there is value in a guy knowing a system, but it isn't going to change much (unless he gets bit by a radioactive spider).  We can do better by doing pretty much anything OTHER than re-signing him.  We can keep making excuses for the guy or we can bring in someone who is competent at the position. 

That's the same fanspeak that the Jags have had about just about everything. Coaches, General Managers, Quarterbacks, and just about everything. The irony is the one constant. Every time the fans think they can do better, and start screaming for an upgrade, they end up worse off than the position they hoped to upgrade. The team is finally righting the ship from the look of things, but the fans simply won't let the process take it's course. At least this time around, I don't think it will matter all that much. I think the PTB are going to do what they think will make this team great, in spite of what the "know it all fan" thinks.

Statistically, even Mark Sanchez would be a better option if you wanted to bring in a vet to backup a rookie.  He's at least had a 26 TD season.