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Assuming Henne will start over our rookie is a bad assumption. The coaches will play the better player.


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Quote:There are already two other QBs on the roster who would serve the purpose of taking snaps and losing miserably and other equivalent level talents that will become available in free agency. If Henne wants anything beyond "I'm just happy to still be in the league" money I can't call it a reasonable price for the services of someone at the bottom of the league level.

 

That's a short-sighted way in looking at it. 

 

Your argument doesn't make sense. You don't want Henne because he's a losing QB, but you prefer others because they can lose too? You don't know what you have in the other QBs. If they're worse than Henne, then others suffer too; it isn't just Henne losing. The WRs suffer, the RBs suffer, and the TEs suffer too. Bringing Henne back doesn't mean he's starting. It just gives us a starting point. 

Quote:That's a short-sighted way in looking at it. 

 

Your argument doesn't make sense. You don't want Henne because he's a losing QB, but you prefer others because they can lose too? You don't know what you have in the other QBs. If they're worse than Henne, then others suffer too; it isn't just Henne losing. The WRs suffer, the RBs suffer, and the TEs suffer too. Bringing Henne back doesn't mean he's starting. It just gives us a starting point. 

 

Can we stop this "it hurts the other players" stuff? Did cecil shorts play terribly because he was paired up with Gabbert? Blackmon? No, good players are good players. I don't care if Henne gets resigned. I don't like the idea of the team paying him much, though, and I really don't like the idea of having to watch him under center for another year.

Quote:Can we stop this "it hurts the other players" stuff? Did cecil shorts play terribly because he was paired up with Gabbert? Blackmon? No, good players are good players. I don't care if Henne gets resigned. I don't like the idea of the team paying him much, though, and I really don't like the idea of having to watch him under center for another year.

Cecil and Blackmon put up far better numbers with Henne than with Gabbert.

 

It was an accomplishment for Gabbert just to get past the 50. He most definitely cripples the success of the players around him.

 

For all of Henne's mistakes, he can at least execute the offense.

Quote:Cecil and Blackmon put up far better numbers with Henne than with Gabbert.

 

It was an accomplishment for Gabbert just to get past the 50. He most definitely cripples the success of the players around him.

 

For all of Henne's mistakes, he can at least execute the offense.

 

That has nothing to do with whether the guys around him developed. They obviously did.

 

It really doesn't matter if some player gets 25 yards in a game with Gabbert or 35 yards in a game with Henne, what matters is if they're good players and capable of being supporting cast members when we get a real QB.

Quote:Can we stop this "it hurts the other players" stuff? Did cecil shorts play terribly because he was paired up with Gabbert? Blackmon? No, good players are good players. I don't care if Henne gets resigned. I don't like the idea of the team paying him much, though, and I really don't like the idea of having to watch him under center for another year.

 

 

Quote:That has nothing to do with whether the guys around him developed. They obviously did.

 

It really doesn't matter if some player gets 25 yards in a game with Gabbert or 35 yards in a game with Henne, what matters is if they're good players and capable of being supporting cast members when we get a real QB.

 

You just contradicted yourself. If it didn't matter, then why did we see a difference in performances? 

 

You know, having Henne and getting a "real QB" aren't mutually exclusive.

Quote:You just contradicted yourself. If it didn't matter, then why did we see a difference in performances? 

 

You know, having Henne and getting a "real QB" aren't mutually exclusive.

You obviously don't have a full grasp of the concept of player development and how what they perform like with terrible QBs isn't relevant as long as they develop for the time when the Jaguars don't have a bottom of the league talent under center, you should probably just keep out of it.

If Henne is starting over whoever we bring in at QB, then we've made a huge mistake.  Henne is garbage.

Quote:You obviously don't have a full grasp of the concept of player development and how what they perform like with terrible QBs isn't relevant as long as they develop for the time when the Jaguars don't have a bottom of the league talent under center, you should probably just keep out of it.

 

Oh dear.  The irony is unbearable. 

Maaaan, some of you guys are waaaay to harsh on Henne. He was working with the weakest talented offense around him and was able to help us win 4 of the last 8 games in the first year of a new system. How the hell is that garbage? And he is improving. Give him some protection and some potent weapons, and he would have much more success. Dave and Gus are good at evaluating talent. They wouldn't be trying to sign him to a contract before FA starts if they didn't believe so. Is he a franchise QB? No, that's why Shad said we're going to draft one or two QBs. I think he starts the first part of the season unless the rookie clearly beats him out.

Sorry burt1jason.  But he is straight garbage.  He has had the good fortune of being compared to Gabbert.  He has always buckled under pressure.  He has always had an insane amount of balls batted at the line.  He has never been a guy who can consistently find the end zone.  I don't see the attraction of re-signing a guy you know you cannot rely on.  His stats are rookie-esque which is why I don't endorse re-signing him.  I would rather move forward with some other guy. 

 

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Yes, the Jaguars were a bad team last year.  However, Chad Henne is not a rookie quarterback.  He's been in football for a while now and we have a body of work to judge him by. He is a bad quarterback.  I don't see what he can offer a rookie who is coming in.  Perhaps some people think that Gabbert was ruined by being thrown into the starter's role too quickly, but do you honestly think he would be that much better if he had sat for a year?

I like Henne as a backup. How many teams have a better backup?

We could do a lot worse than having Henne as a back up.

Quote:You obviously don't have a full grasp of the concept of player development and how what they perform like with terrible QBs isn't relevant as long as they develop for the time when the Jaguars don't have a bottom of the league talent under center, you should probably just keep out of it.

 

Because other players will develop without the help of anyone else. You're living in a small bubble if you don't think the most important position has an influence on the development of other positions. They may or may not progress, but to say that they'll develop despite the QB position is ignorant. 

Quote:Because other players will develop without the help of anyone else. You're living in a small bubble if you don't think the most important position has an influence on the development of other positions. They may or may not progress, but to say that they'll develop despite the QB position is ignorant. 

 

So Cecil Shorts didn't develop over his first two seasons even though he was playing with one of the worst QBs of the last few years in Gabbert?

 

Just how stupid are you?

Quote:So Cecil Shorts didn't develop over his first two seasons even though he was playing with one of the worst QBs of the last few years in Gabbert?

 

Just how stupid are you?

You're very ignorant and I don't think you get it, at all.

Quote:You're very ignorant and I don't think you get it, at all.

 

I don't expect the highest level of discourse on a football message board, but you should actually ATTEMPT to get a coherent thought into your post about why you think my point was wrong instead of just lashing out pointlessly.

Quote:So Cecil Shorts didn't develop over his first two seasons even though he was playing with one of the worst QBs of the last few years in Gabbert?

 

Just how stupid are you?

You might consider looking at the game logs over the past 2 seasons to see who was throwing the ball in the games where Shorts had his best production. 

 

Henne's production as a starter was significantly better than Gabbert's over the last 2 years, and Shorts benefited from that quite a bit.  Granted, Henne made boneheaded mistakes as well, but he wasn't nearly as awful as Gabbert.

 

Receivers can't develop if there isn't at least a competent QB throwing them the ball.  Henne is capable of putting up decent stats. 

Quote:Maaaan, some of you guys are waaaay to harsh on Henne. He was working with the weakest talented offense around him and was able to help us win 4 of the last 8 games in the first year of a new system. How the hell is that garbage? And he is improving. Give him some protection and some potent weapons, and he would have much more success. Dave and Gus are good at evaluating talent. They wouldn't be trying to sign him to a contract before FA starts if they didn't believe so. Is he a franchise QB? No, that's why Shad said we're going to draft one or two QBs. I think he starts the first part of the season unless the rookie clearly beats him out.

 

I agree with all of that.