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Quote:Where's TMD at? You still want Shaw as a head coach in the NFL? Terrible play calling and decision making in the second half of the Rose Bowl. Dude sucks to be quite frank with you. 

 

Shaw sucks?...

 

lolz

Shaw coached an absolute dud of a football game today. Everybody who watched that game is saying the same thing.

 

4th and 3, down by 7,  with 5 minutes left against one of the best defenses in the nation and you kick a field goal? Not only do you have to hold the other team, but you still need a touchdown regardless and you'll likely have to drive the length of the field again (something they struggled to do).

 

Terrible play calling and decisions by Shaw and Stanford.

Quote:So when O'Brien and Bilichick are able to finish a  season 11-5 after just a few handful of plays to start a new football season after Brady is rehabbing his banged up knee.. who's "teat of success" are they sucking off of then?    The guy didn't get a HCing gig for what he did with Brady, but for more with what he did without him and when he was faced with adversity.

 

Haha... that's a joke, right? He was a failure before he picked up the HC job in New England. He had ONE winning season. He had FIVE losing seasons (out of six) before Tom Brady came on scene. When "faced with adversity"?  :no:

 

As for the 11-5 season, that isn't enough to support your argument. They played 3 AFC play teams (with the Dolphins twice). They were 1-3. The beat NFC teams 1-0. They played 4 playoff teams and had a losing record. They had opponents with a total win tally of 99-157... the next closest was 10 wins more. No team played few winning opponents or fewer play off teams. 

 

Yeah. Great example.

Quote:for the immediate future of the next 5 to possibly 10 years, the above is probably more true than you realize. 

 

The Texans just got themselves a really good football coach. Coughlin level. 

 

This is borderline laughable. 

 

To say the team might not get a sniff of a division title for the next 5-10 years because of a coach hiring in Houston really is about as overly stated than much of what I've seen on this board in the past, even from a drama queen like you.

 

To make this declaration implies that Gus Bradley and David Caldwell just can't possibly build a team that is ever bit as competitive as the Texans or Colts at this point shows the lengths you'll go to keep up the schtick. 

 

I won't go into the history of coaches tied to the Belichick tree who land head coaching positions elsewhere.  I'll just focus on the fact that O'Brien had the benefit of coaching one of the best quarterbacks to play the game over the past decade.  When he didn't have the benefit of having Tom Brady because of injury, he was the benefactor of such a well oiled machine in New England that made it difficult for anyone to fail. 

 

I'm not saying O'Brien isn't a good coach.  I'm sure he is, just like past Patriot coordinators who landed head coaching gigs were.  Every coach who was plucked from the Patriots lineage under Belichick went on to raging success elsewhere in the NFL, right? 

 

Romeo Crennel, Jim Schwartz, Nick Saban, Al Groh, Josh McDaniels and Eric Mangini combined for zero playoff wins as head coaches in the NFL.  All of them failed miserably as head coaches in the NFL, lending credence to the notion that there's a Belichick curse when it comes to his coordinators advancing to the next level. 

 

To think that O'Brien is going to create this juggernaut in Houston, and there's zero hope for anyone but the Colts to give them a run for the division title is truly a premature notion, but coming from you, it's the typical knee jerk reaction that is required so everyone can read your incessant rantings about how you're smarter than the rest. 

 

You've whined about the Bradley hiring since the day after you abandoned supporting him as a good option for this team.  You liked him right up the point where the team showed interest, then had to abandon that position to maintain your little schtick. 

 

It's quite possible that Gus Bradley turns out to be an excellent head coach.  He's certainly getting a lot of props from people who have a clue about what he's been able to accomplish so far, but what do they know?  Based on what we've seen with the way his players have responded to his coaching style, and how they want to play for this guy, as the talent on the roster improves, I am confident the Jaguars will be pushing for opportunities to win the division.  That won't be 5-10 years from now.  I'm expecting it within the next season or two where you'll see the infusion of talent and the changing culture with the team start to reap benefits.  You can't see this, or you intentionally ignore this because it doesn't support your narrative, or your schtick.  We get it. 

 

If O'Brien turns out to be a good hire, that's great.  It helps to make this division one of the most competitive in the league.  I'd much rather have that than to be stuck with a bunch of patsies.  But, your reaction to this tells me you'd prefer to be the big dog in a weak division.  That tells me you're not one to take on challenges in your own life because that might require you to work harder to succeed, and as everyone here can attest, your defeatist attitude tells us a lot about who you are in the real world. 

 

I'm constantly left wondering why you're a fan of this team, or even if you really ARE a fan at all?  Seriously, you're such a miserable human being to begin with, and for whatever reason, you decided to glob on to this fan base in order to spread your cancer.  Why don't you pick a team that really gets it with the way they operate, grabbing the kinds of coaches and free agents that make you a giddy little fry cook?  You have no ties to this team. 

 

I'm convinced you're not really a fan of the Jaguars, but more a fan of the attention you get on this message board.  My bet is you're actually a fan of another team, but you don't infest their message board because you don't get the attention you crave so desperately.  You relish when people respond to you because it's attention.  It doesn't matter if they're laughing at you as long as they're talking to you. 

Quote:This is borderline laughable. 

 

To say the team might not get a sniff of a division title for the next 5-10 years because of a coach hiring in Houston really is about as overly stated than much of what I've seen on this board in the past, even from a drama queen like you.

 

To make this declaration implies that Gus Bradley and David Caldwell just can't possibly build a team that is ever bit as competitive as the Texans or Colts at this point shows the lengths you'll go to keep up the schtick. 

 

I won't go into the history of coaches tied to the Belichick tree who land head coaching positions elsewhere.  I'll just focus on the fact that O'Brien had the benefit of coaching one of the best quarterbacks to play the game over the past decade.  When he didn't have the benefit of having Tom Brady because of injury, he was the benefactor of such a well oiled machine in New England that made it difficult for anyone to fail. 

 

I'm not saying O'Brien isn't a good coach.  I'm sure he is, just like past Patriot coordinators who landed head coaching gigs were.  Every coach who was plucked from the Patriots lineage under Belichick went on to raging success elsewhere in the NFL, right? 

 

Romeo Crennel, Jim Schwartz, Nick Saban, Al Groh, Josh McDaniels and Eric Mangini combined for zero playoff wins as head coaches in the NFL.  All of them failed miserably as head coaches in the NFL, lending credence to the notion that there's a Belichick curse when it comes to his coordinators advancing to the next level. 

 

How many of those coaches actually had HC experience before trying their first stint in the NFL as head coach? O Brien now has that. So, comparing him with other failed BB coaching tree prospects is not an equal comparison. 


 

To think that O'Brien is going to create this juggernaut in Houston, and there's zero hope for anyone but the Colts to give them a run for the division title is truly a premature notion, but coming from you, it's the typical knee jerk reaction that is required so everyone can read your incessant rantings about how you're smarter than the rest. 

 

You've whined about the Bradley hiring since the day after you abandoned supporting him as a good option for this team.  You liked him right up the point where the team showed interest, then had to abandon that position to maintain your little schtick. 

 

I liked Bradley, but he was my SIXTH choice for Jags HC. Lets not forget that. Behind, 1. Reid, 2. Kelly, 3. O'Brien, 4.B. Kelly, and 5. McCoy


 

It's quite possible that Gus Bradley turns out to be an excellent head coach.  He's certainly getting a lot of props from people who have a clue about what he's been able to accomplish so far, but what do they know?  Based on what we've seen with the way his players have responded to his coaching style, and how they want to play for this guy, as the talent on the roster improves, I am confident the Jaguars will be pushing for opportunities to win the division.  That won't be 5-10 years from now.  I'm expecting it within the next season or two where you'll see the infusion of talent and the changing culture with the team start to reap benefits.  You can't see this, or you intentionally ignore this because it doesn't support your narrative, or your schtick.  We get it. 

 

Gus isn't a bad guy to have as Head Coach.....but his overalweak assistant staff - highlighted particularly by his Coordinator choices will eventually be his downfall if indeed he does fail here in Jax. 


 

If O'Brien turns out to be a good hire, that's great.  It helps to make this division one of the most competitive in the league.  I'd much rather have that than to be stuck with a bunch of patsies.  But, your reaction to this tells me you'd prefer to be the big dog in a weak division.  That tells me you're not one to take on challenges in your own life because that might require you to work harder to succeed, and as everyone here can attest, your defeatist attitude tells us a lot about who you are in the real world. 

 

I've already posted several times how foolish that notion is. Yeah, its noble to want the most competitve division possible, but ask the late 1980's and early 1990's Cardinals and Eagles how beneficial that was playing in a division with the Redskins, Giants and Cowboys largely very good,. Then by comparison look at the road that the San Fran 49ers were able to take during that same period - their division was much less easier than the NFC East and the Niners benefited from better records and higher playoff seeds, thus an easier road to the SB because of it. 
The Eagles, despite the best defense ever assembled were so exhausted over the war of attrition that division caused them, that by the playoffs they were usually largely spent and flamed out quickly.  Even the Jaguars can illustrate how an easier division is helpful as we have had our best success in the late 1990's while in a weak division with the likes of bad a Cleveland team in turmoil in 1996 & 1999, a so so Bengal team, a Steeler team in its ebb, a new Baltimore team which was bad until the late part of that timeframe, and an average Houston/ Tennessee team until 1999. So sitting there and talking about how a tough division is something good, is rather stupid. 


 

I'm constantly left wondering why you're a fan of this team, or even if you really ARE a fan at all?  Seriously, you're such a miserable human being to begin with, and for whatever reason, you decided to glob on to this fan base in order to spread your cancer.  Why don't you pick a team that really gets it with the way they operate, grabbing the kinds of coaches and free agents that make you a giddy little fry cook?  You have no ties to this team. 

 

I'm convinced you're not really a fan of the Jaguars, but more a fan of the attention you get on this message board.  My bet is you're actually a fan of another team, but you don't infest their message board because you don't get the attention you crave so desperately.  You relish when people respond to you because it's attention.  It doesn't matter if they're laughing at you as long as they're talking to you. 

 

LOL, I'm negative because 14 years more or less of bad football will do that to you. If I wasn't a fan of the team, I'd have never stayed to endure this neverending stretch of disappointment and bad decisions. The Jaguars essentially write my posts for me. I am merely the messenger. I won't quit on the Jags, but will indeed criticize the bad decisions and bad play until it finally changes to a consistently winning team. 

I've never understood the huge hype for Shaw.  He took over a solid program and hasn't impressed me with much of anything so far.  Good enough coach but some act as if he's a lock to be the next big thing. I'm not sold on that.  He's a good fit where he's at and I think he should stay there.  

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This is borderline laughable. 

 

To say the team might not get a sniff of a division title for the next 5-10 years because of a coach hiring in Houston really is about as overly stated than much of what I've seen on this board in the past, even from a drama queen like you.

 

To make this declaration implies that Gus Bradley and David Caldwell just can't possibly build a team that is ever bit as competitive as the Texans or Colts at this point shows the lengths you'll go to keep up the schtick. 

 

I won't go into the history of coaches tied to the Belichick tree who land head coaching positions elsewhere.  I'll just focus on the fact that O'Brien had the benefit of coaching one of the best quarterbacks to play the game over the past decade.  When he didn't have the benefit of having Tom Brady because of injury, he was the benefactor of such a well oiled machine in New England that made it difficult for anyone to fail. 

 

I'm not saying O'Brien isn't a good coach.  I'm sure he is, just like past Patriot coordinators who landed head coaching gigs were.  Every coach who was plucked from the Patriots lineage under Belichick went on to raging success elsewhere in the NFL, right? 

 

Romeo Crennel, Jim Schwartz, Nick Saban, Al Groh, Josh McDaniels and Eric Mangini combined for zero playoff wins as head coaches in the NFL.  All of them failed miserably as head coaches in the NFL, lending credence to the notion that there's a Belichick curse when it comes to his coordinators advancing to the next level. 

 

How many of those coaches actually had HC experience before trying their first stint in the NFL as head coach? O Brien now has that. So, comparing him with other failed BB coaching tree prospects is not an equal comparison. 


 

To think that O'Brien is going to create this juggernaut in Houston, and there's zero hope for anyone but the Colts to give them a run for the division title is truly a premature notion, but coming from you, it's the typical knee jerk reaction that is required so everyone can read your incessant rantings about how you're smarter than the rest. 

 

You've whined about the Bradley hiring since the day after you abandoned supporting him as a good option for this team.  You liked him right up the point where the team showed interest, then had to abandon that position to maintain your little schtick. 

 

I liked Bradley, but he was my SIXTH choice for Jags HC. Lets not forget that. Behind, 1. Reid, 2. Kelly, 3. O'Brien, 4.B. Kelly, and 5. McCoy


 

It's quite possible that Gus Bradley turns out to be an excellent head coach.  He's certainly getting a lot of props from people who have a clue about what he's been able to accomplish so far, but what do they know?  Based on what we've seen with the way his players have responded to his coaching style, and how they want to play for this guy, as the talent on the roster improves, I am confident the Jaguars will be pushing for opportunities to win the division.  That won't be 5-10 years from now.  I'm expecting it within the next season or two where you'll see the infusion of talent and the changing culture with the team start to reap benefits.  You can't see this, or you intentionally ignore this because it doesn't support your narrative, or your schtick.  We get it. 

 

Gus isn't a bad guy to have as Head Coach.....but his overalweak assistant staff - highlighted particularly by his Coordinator choices will eventually be his downfall if indeed he does fail here in Jax. 


 

If O'Brien turns out to be a good hire, that's great.  It helps to make this division one of the most competitive in the league.  I'd much rather have that than to be stuck with a bunch of patsies.  But, your reaction to this tells me you'd prefer to be the big dog in a weak division.  That tells me you're not one to take on challenges in your own life because that might require you to work harder to succeed, and as everyone here can attest, your defeatist attitude tells us a lot about who you are in the real world. 

 

I've already posted several times how foolish that notion is. Yeah, its noble to want the most competitve division possible, but ask the late 1980's and early 1990's Cardinals and Eagles how beneficial that was playing in a division with the Redskins, Giants and Cowboys largely very good,. Then by comparison look at the road that the San Fran 49ers were able to take during that same period - their division was much less easier than the NFC East and the Niners benefited from better records and higher playoff seeds, thus an easier road to the SB because of it. 
The Eagles, despite the best defense ever assembled were so exhausted over the war of attrition that division caused them, that by the playoffs they were usually largely spent and flamed out quickly.  Even the Jaguars can illustrate how an easier division is helpful as we have had our best success in the late 1990's while in a weak division with the likes of bad a Cleveland team in turmoil in 1996 & 1999, a so so Bengal team, a Steeler team in its ebb, a new Baltimore team which was bad until the late part of that timeframe, and an average Houston/ Tennessee team until 1999. So sitting there and talking about how a tough division is something good, is rather stupid. 


 

I'm constantly left wondering why you're a fan of this team, or even if you really ARE a fan at all?  Seriously, you're such a miserable human being to begin with, and for whatever reason, you decided to glob on to this fan base in order to spread your cancer.  Why don't you pick a team that really gets it with the way they operate, grabbing the kinds of coaches and free agents that make you a giddy little fry cook?  You have no ties to this team. 

 

I'm convinced you're not really a fan of the Jaguars, but more a fan of the attention you get on this message board.  My bet is you're actually a fan of another team, but you don't infest their message board because you don't get the attention you crave so desperately.  You relish when people respond to you because it's attention.  It doesn't matter if they're laughing at you as long as they're talking to you. 

 

LOL, I'm negative because 14 years more or less of bad football will do that to you. If I wasn't a fan of the team, I'd have never stayed to endure this neverending stretch of disappointment and bad decisions. The Jaguars essentially write my posts for me. I am merely the messenger. I won't quit on the Jags, but will indeed criticize the bad decisions and bad play until it finally changes to a consistently winning team. 

 

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Your negativity has nothing to do with 14 years of anything football related.  You're just a negative human being.  There are more than enough of us who have been here from the beginning for this franchise who don't share your gloom and doom mindset despite the struggles this team has faced. We are capable of being critical without coming off like some incessant bed wetter.

 

There's nothing noble about wanting to be pushed to win in a tough division.  It's about making the team better for more than just the division by challenging them.  If they play in a tough division, and they wind up making the playoffs by winning said division, it better prepares them for the challenges they'd face in the post season.  It's like anything else in life.  Those who accept more challenges in their lives who step up and meet or exceed expectations tend to be more successful.  Those who do not wind up flipping burgers and telling everyone else how smart they are.

 

Based on the way the team improved late in the season, including significant scheme changes on both sides of the ball to cater to the skills of the players they were working with, I'd say our coordinators aren't nearly as bad as you, the eternal pessimist, deems them to be.  Sorry, but despite the easier schedule the second half, there were clear changes made by the coaches to make the most of what they had on the field. 

 

I really don't care if Bradley was your 6th choice.  You touted him as one of the options for this team up to the point where he was. Then in typical whimpering dog fashion, you flipped.  It's what you do.  You have to be contrary to whatever the team does in order to get that attention or validation you so desperately crave.

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<div>I've already posted several times how foolish that notion is. Yeah, its noble to want the most competitve division possible, but ask the late 1980's and early 1990's Cardinals and Eagles how beneficial that was playing in a division with the Redskins, Giants and Cowboys largely very good,. Then by comparison look at the road that the San Fran 49ers were able to take during that same period - their division was much less easier than the NFC East and the Niners benefited from better records and higher playoff seeds, thus an easier road to the SB because of it. 
The Eagles, despite the best defense ever assembled were so exhausted over the war of attrition that division caused them, that by the playoffs they were usually largely spent and flamed out quickly.  Even the Jaguars can illustrate how an easier division is helpful as we have had our best success in the late 1990's while in a weak division with the likes of bad a Cleveland team in turmoil in 1996 & 1999, a so so Bengal team, a Steeler team in its ebb, a new Baltimore team which was bad until the late part of that timeframe, and an average Houston/ Tennessee team until 1999. So sitting there and talking about how a tough division is something good, is rather stupid. 

 

 

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And then you downplay the job Gus Bradley does by playing in a weak division?  Yeah, I can just see where that would end up if the Jags were to play in a weak division. 

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Based on the way the team improved late in the season, including significant scheme changes on both sides of the ball to cater to the skills of the players they were working with, I'd say our coordinators aren't nearly as bad as you, the eternal pessimist, deems them to be.  Sorry, but despite the easier schedule the second half, there were clear changes made by the coaches to make the most of what they had on the field. 

 

 

Improved? They had a very easy schedule from games 9 to 15. They also lost their last 3 games, culminating with a blowout loss in the finale. 

 

You asserting the premise of significant scheme changes as being the catalyst for the mid stretch of 4 wins is laughable. For the most part we merely were out-sucked by other bad opponents. Good Lord. You are polishing a turd/ putting lipstick on a pig, not realizing that even so they are still a turd and a pig, respectively.  

Quote:And then you downplay the job Gus Bradley does by playing in a weak division?  Yeah, I can just see where that would end up if the Jags were to play in a weak division. 

 

Not if it culminated with division titles and playoff wins. Not at all. 

Quote:Improved? They had a very easy schedule from games 9 to 15. They also lost their last 3 games, culminating with a blowout loss in the finale. 

 

You asserting the premise of significant scheme changes as being the catalyst for the mid stretch of 4 wins is laughable. For the most part we merely were out-sucked by other bad opponents. Good Lord. You are polishing a turd/ putting lipstick on a pig, not realizing that even so they are still a turd and a pig, respectively.  

 

Again, as you usually do, you're ignoring who they trotted out in the final game of the year in order to further serve your pathetic agenda.  It's what you do. If the Jags played a tough 2nd half schedule and showed similar schematic changes and were able to show the same improvement, you'd find something else to whine about.  There's absolutely nothing this team could do that would meet your approval, and thankfully, the team is smart enough not to follow your mandates.  Look at how successfully you've navigated your own life. Who would aspire to be you, other than your mirror?

Quote:Again, as you usually do, you're ignoring who they trotted out in the final game of the year in order to further serve your pathetic agenda.  It's what you do. If the Jags played a tough 2nd half schedule and showed similar schematic changes and were able to show the same improvement, you'd find something else to whine about.  There's absolutely nothing this team could do that would meet your approval, and thankfully, the team is smart enough not to follow your mandates.  Look at how successfully you've navigated your own life. Who would aspire to be you, other than your mirror?

 

LOL, only you & some other board member could try to make positives out of a season that just produced 240 points scored/ 450 allowed. 

 

The Coordinators are/ were weak hires. If Bradley fails - look no further why. 

Quote:LOL, only you & some other board member could try to make positives out of a season that just produced 240 points scored/ 450 allowed. 

 

The Coordinators are/ were weak hires. If Bradley fails - look no further why. 

 

The problem with you (or...one of the problems) is you expect instant success.  It doesn't matter how young, raw, or inexperienced a team is. 

 

Going into 2013, everybody...coaches, analysts, fans...knew the Jaguars were in store for a rough season.  Check out our roster turnover numbers, and the turnover that continued throughout training camp.  We were not set up to succeed this year because we did not have enough TALENT on the team.  This was the year we laid part of the foundation for years to come.  You cannot expect heaps of success after the offseason that we had last year.

 

Nah, we didn't score a whole lot of points, but we also lacked competency at the QB position, dealt with a couple of injuries, and multiple suspensions by the guy who you say would go #1 overall if 2012 had a redraft.  Neither Gabbert nor Henne would start on ANY OTHER SINGLE FRANCHISE this last year.  Our offense, again, was set up to have a rough season.

 

Now once we draft a franchise QB and establish some foundation of the offensive side of the ball, you're more than welcome to criticize as much as your heart desires.  We're not there yet.

 

This is one of the reasons why people find you to be a caricature on this forum.  I mean, you're not exactly a cerebral football mind to begin with, but the constant moaning oftentimes isn't warranted.

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Summarized/ fixed. 

 

I don't expect instant success, although recent years in the NFL has shown that this is indeed possible more so than ever before....

 

I do expect instant overachievement, however. Doing more with less. Thats the mark of both good coaching and good QB. 

 

I know Henne wasn't that good. You know what? - neither is the QB that the Vikings had.....yet for that one game, the Vikings overachieved and dropped 50 on a good Eagles team. 

 

This Jaguars team had zero "overachievement" moments in 2013. None. 

 

The wins the Jags had were more the result of the bad opponent out-sucking us. 

Translation: When TMD says something, they are reasons. When anyone else says something, they are excuses.

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This Jaguars team had zero "overachievement" moments in 2013. None. 

 

And what did that net them, exactly?  Not to mention, "overachievement" moments are subjective and, at the end of the day, that team still sucked.

 

You're response was par for the course though.  You always seem to revert to the whole "my opinion is better than yours" mantra once somebody brings some realistic light to the discussion.

I think if you squeeze O'Brien's cheeks either jelly or Bavarian cream comes out of his chin.

For a dude that lost to Indiana by 20, Ohio State by 49, and Minnesota by 14, O'Brien sure gets a lot of love.

TMD is mad that the Jaguars didn't tank and is made that they didn't blow a team out like the Vikings did.

 

Can you imagine if the Jaguars beat the Colts by 18 in week 17? Because of that "over-achieving the game", the Vikings now pick 8th.

Quote:For a dude that lost to Indiana by 20, Ohio State by 49, and Minnesota by 14, O'Brien sure gets a lot of love.

 

You have to put it in context...