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Quote:Oh, I wasn't aware of what kind of poster I was dealing with here. Carry on.

its really not complicated, if you approach the draft as if only one good player exists in it, the team will suffer

You're right, it's really not that complicated. You trade up for Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck or John Elway if the opportunity presents itself. No QB in this class is on that level, but holy crap you've got to be kidding me if you're seriously trying to say that you wouldn't try and work out a deal for that pick if a generational talent is put on the market. And as a Jaguars fan, no less.

What exactly in Teddy's game is he missing that causes him to not be seen on Luck's level. I think Luck is a good QB but he seems a bit overrated. IN terms of recent QBs I'd put Luck behind Wilson, Newton, and Stafford.

Luck isn't overrated. So far, I think he's almost as good as advertised. He is definitely a franchise QB, but he will not be in the Manning, Brady, Rodgers or even Bree's elite level (which is the level that many pundit expected him to become).

Quote:What exactly in Teddy's game is he missing that causes him to not be seen on Luck's level.

 

 

In his game? Nothing. Teddy lacks nothing as a passer that Luck has. 

 

The only negative regarding Teddy is his size/ frame. 

 

If Teddy was Luck's size, he'd be looked at similarly. 

Quote:Luck isn't overrated. So far, I think he's almost as good as advertised. He is definitely a franchise QB, but he will not be in the Manning, Brady, Rodgers or even Bree's elite level (which is the level that many pundit expected him to become).

 

What about his first two years in the league has made you feel Luck can't reach that level?

Quote:In his game? Nothing. Teddy lacks nothing as a passer that Luck has.


The only negative regarding Teddy is his size/ frame.


If Teddy was Luck's size, he'd be looked at similarly.

Teddy's deep ball accuracy could use some work.

Quote:You're right, it's really not that complicated. You trade up for Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck or John Elway if the opportunity presents itself. No QB in this class is on that level, but holy crap you've got to be kidding me if you're seriously trying to say that you wouldn't try and work out a deal for that pick if a generational talent is put on the market. And as a Jaguars fan, no less.

agree to disagree. there is more than one QB in the world


the trade up philosophy rarely ever works out no matter what player

Quote:agree to disagree. there is more than one QB in the world


the trade up philosophy rarely ever works out no matter what player

 

Off the top of my head, Elway, Eli, and Flacco all involved teams trading up for them. Elway was sent for pennies on the dollar and the Ravens originally traded down from #8 before moving back up, but the Giants gave up a massive haul for Manning. I'd say it worked out for them.

 

You're not going to be able to trade for a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck. They aren't available for a reason. The big failures -- like the Ricky Williams deal -- get a lot more exposure. You're just insane if you think giving up a couple first-round picks for a Peyton-esque prospect is a bad move.

Quote:Off the top of my head, Elway, Eli, and Flacco all involved teams trading up for them. Elway was sent for pennies on the dollar and the Ravens originally traded down from #8 before moving back up, but the Giants gave up a massive haul for Manning. I'd say it worked out for them.


You're not going to be able to trade for a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck. They aren't available for a reason. The big failures -- like the Ricky Williams deal -- get a lot more exposure. You're just insane if you think giving up a couple first-round picks for a Peyton-esque prospect is a bad move.

no ur insane if you want to trade up for Eli

We're talking about results, aren't we? Peyton Manning's one Super Bowl wasn't good enough for you as a Jaguars fan, so what about his little brother's two?

Quote:We're talking about results, aren't we? Peyton Manning's one Super Bowl wasn't good enough for you as a Jaguars fan, so what about his little brother's two?

the Giants also had the best pass rush in the league both times. Eli played well in those seasons but now looks horrible. not worth giving up the farm for. i know he is your god's brother, but he isn't that good


sure i wouldn't mind having him, but i wouldn't trade up. it's better to wait and get another guy thats just as good

"My god"... yeah, because respecting one of the best players in the history of the game means I'm some Peyton Manning fanboy. Got it. Where did that even come from?

 

Eli Manning wasn't even one of the guys I originally brought up; I used him as an example of a trade-up for a quarterback that still produced Super Bowl runs for the team that gave up a haul. Do you think it's better to -- as you put it -- "wait and get another guy that's just as good" as John Elway or Peyton? I say you go after them and do whatever it takes to land one.

Quote:"My god"... yeah, because respecting one of the best players in the history of the game means I'm some Peyton Manning fanboy. Got it. Where did that even come from?


Eli Manning wasn't even one of the guys I originally brought up; I used him as an example of a trade-up for a quarterback that still produced Super Bowl runs for the team that gave up a haul. Do you think it's better to -- as you put it -- "wait and get another guy that's just as good" as John Elway or Peyton? I say you go after them and do whatever it takes to land one.

it looked like some Luck or Manning in your avi, but im on my phone. nvm


if you "do whatever it takes" to get a Elway or Manning every year, then you end up sucking when the guy ends up not being any good. there isno way to know if they are actually as good as Elway or Manning

When the guy doesn't up being any good? Elway, Manning, and Luck are the consensus three best quarterback prospects of the Super Bowl era. Absolutely no one thought they would bust, and they obviously didn't. They are on that level before the draft for a reason. I don't see how Andrew Luck was not going to be a decent NFL quarterback at the very least. He was too smart, too dedicated, and his tools were superb. Only injuries were going to stop him from becoming a good player.

there are also consensus top picks that were never that good. it's easy to say in hindsight that this or that guy was guaranteed to be an all-time great

There are consensus top picks, and then there is Elway. Elway is probably the greatest NFL prospect of all time. Luck was a hair's breadth from him.

 

And then there are guys like Carr, Bortles, and Johnny Manziel. Yay.