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I'll agree with TMD that we need to add a WR this draft. This WR class is absolutely loaded. We can get 1st/2nd round value in rounds 3 and 4.

Quote:If it's easy as pie - name 2 free agents and 2 rookie prospects who will block as well as Lewis and produce receiving like he has the past 4 weeks. 

 

JImmy Graham, Dennis Pitta, Brandon Pettigrew. 

 

Jace Amaro, Ebron...

 

I don't care about blocking. Just give me a player that can produce at a high level in the passing game from the position. This era of NFL football is a passing league and the TE is a big part of that for SOME teams...

 

The blocking thing is a cute little red herring so that certain fans on this board can try to make Marcedes sound useful, despite his overwhelmingly ineffectiveness in the passing game as a weapon for the greater part of his Jags career. Marcedes wasn't drafted 26th overall, so he could be a great blocker he was drafted that high because they projected him as our version of Witten/ Gates/ etc etc. 

 

Yet, he's far from lived up to that. Yet, because of the one outlier season on a contract year, he still gets PAID like that. Can't wait till he's gone. 

Quote:I'll agree with TMD that we need to add a WR this draft. This WR class is absolutely loaded. We can get 1st/2nd round value in rounds 3 and 4.

 

I'm hoping we land a receiver in the third or fourth. Paul Richardson would be a nice pickup.

 

But I'm a homer for CU players

Quote:I'm hoping we land a receiver in the third or fourth. Paul Richardson would be a nice pickup.

 

But I'm a homer for CU players

 

Yup. Paul Richardson is one of my great-value guys. WRs like Richardson, Brandin Cooks, and DaVante Adams would be 2nd round picks, at worst, in most years. This year, they might fall to the 4th round unless there is a crazy run on WRs. CBS lists Richardson as their 11th ranked WR. I don't see 11 WRs being drafted in the first two rounds, so some have to fall.

Quote:JImmy Graham, Dennis Pitta, Brandon Pettigrew. 

 

Jace Amaro, Ebron...

 

I don't care about blocking. Just give me a player that can produce at a high level in the passing game from the position.

Pettigrew and Pitta? No thanks. I'll take Marcedes all day over both of them. Ebron and Graham are the only ones from that list who I would have interest in. Graham is going to break the bank and likely resign with the Saints, for wayyyyyy more than what Marcedes makes.


Not to mention Pettigrew plays in about the most pass happy offense I have ever seen, and I have never been that impressed.


Then again I can't take anyone seriously who says "I don't care about blocking." Did they teach you that in the Northern Football School for Women?

Quote:JImmy Graham, Dennis Pitta, Brandon Pettigrew. 

 

Jace Amaro, Ebron...

 

I don't care about blocking. Just give me a player that can produce at a high level in the passing game from the position. This era of NFL football is a passing league and the TE is a big part of that for SOME teams...

 

The blocking thing is a cute little red herring so that certain fans on this board can try to make Marcedes sound useful, despite his overwhelmingly ineffectiveness in the passing game as a weapon for the greater part of his Jags career. Marcedes wasn't drafted 26th overall, so he could be a great blocker he was drafted that high because they projected him as our version of Witten/ Gates/ etc etc. 

 

Yet, he's far from lived up to that. Yet, because of the one outlier season on a contract year, he still gets PAID like that. Can't wait till he's gone. 

 

So how was Pitta's 2012 not also an "outlier season"?

Quote:JImmy Graham, Dennis Pitta, Brandon Pettigrew. 

 

Jace Amaro, Ebron...

 

I don't care about blocking. Just give me a player that can produce at a high level in the passing game from the position. This era of NFL football is a passing league and the TE is a big part of that for SOME teams...

 

The blocking thing is a cute little red herring so that certain fans on this board can try to make Marcedes sound useful, despite his overwhelmingly ineffectiveness in the passing game as a weapon for the greater part of his Jags career. Marcedes wasn't drafted 26th overall, so he could be a great blocker he was drafted that high because they projected him as our version of Witten/ Gates/ etc etc. 

 

Yet, he's far from lived up to that. Yet, because of the one outlier season on a contract year, he still gets PAID like that. Can't wait till he's gone. 

 

Brandon Pettigrew? What?

Lol Pettigrew.

Pettigrew is not better than Lewis. Pettigrew has drop problems and produces Lewis-like numbers even though he has a much better QB slinging the football.

And TMD, you'd rather go Tight End in the first or 2nd round than QB/O-Line/D-Line?

 

Quote:Pettigrew and Pitta? No thanks. I'll take Marcedes all day over both of them. Ebron and Graham are the only ones from that list who I would have interest in. Graham is going to break the bank and likely resign with the Saints, for wayyyyyy more than what Marcedes makes.


Not to mention Pettigrew plays in about the most pass happy offense I have ever seen, and I have never been that impressed.


Then again I can't take anyone seriously who says "I don't care about blocking." Did they teach you that in the Northern Football School for Women?

 

Pettigrew & Pitta for half or less the salary of what Marcedes is scheduled to make next season? Yup. 

 

As far as the blocking thing, Saying "I don't care about" is hyperbole, but there to make a point that in this era of NFL football getting actual production from the spot is more important. You can get a friggin good blocking TE (if thats what you want) with a friggin day 3 pick. 

 

Stop trying so hard to justify a GARBAGE draft choice that Marcedes was, given his draft spot. He was expected to be MUCH MUCH more. And shouldn't be paid like he is. 

Quote:Pettigrew is not better than Lewis. Pettigrew has drop problems and produces Lewis-like numbers even though he has a much better QB slinging the football.

 

...at a fraction of the price. At worst he's similar to Lewis. I wouldn't have as much of an issue with Lewis if we were paying him more commensurate to what he's actually worth. At 8.5 MIL per, I expect Antonio Gates in his prime, Jason Witten, or Jimmy Graham. Not giraffe athleticism with briefcase hands. 

Quote:...at a fraction of the price. At worst he's similar to Lewis. I wouldn't have as much of an issue with Lewis if we were paying him more commensurate to what he's actually worth. At 8.5 MIL per, I expect Antonio Gates in his prime, Jason Witten, or Jimmy Graham. Not giraffe athleticism with briefcase hands. 

 

Lewis has better hands than Pettigrew.

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The blocking thing is a cute little red herring so that certain fans on this board can try to make Marcedes sound useful,

LOL.  You know what you should do before posting here again?  Watch a Jaguars game.  M.L. played a huge role in getting the run game back on it's feet after the bye.  Its no red herring.  The line got better pass blocking and run blocking when he came back and it's no coincidence.  I remember  a time when you kinda knew what you were talking about occasionally.  Now you just hate on some jags player or roster move and defend your failed stance like you're charging a windmill.  Lame. 

 

So far you named one FA who can catch and can't block that will cost MORE  -   and two rookies who the Jags probably aren't in position to draft.  Brilliant. 

Quote:Lewis has better hands than Pettigrew.

 

Disagree. At worst they are similar in that regard, but again, one makes peanuts and the other makes Jason Witten level TE money. 

Quote:Disagree. At worst they are similar in that regard, but again, one makes peanuts and the other makes Jason Witten level TE money. 

 

Pettigrew doesn't make "peanuts". His salary this year was about 2 million. And this was the last year of his rookie deal. Lets see what kind of contract he gets this offseason.

Yeah  - this guy's the answer.  LOL. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...ns-ir-list

Quote:Yeah  - this guy's the answer.  LOL. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...ns-ir-list

 

"He's been one of the primary culprits for a Lions receiving corps that has been among the league leaders in drops the past few seasons.

 

Billed as a prototypical in-line tight end at 6-foot-6 and 265 pounds, Pettigrew also struggled as a run blocker."

Quote:Yeah  - this guy's the answer.  LOL. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...ns-ir-list

 

If you laugh at him, then you laugh at Marcedes, whos no better, just makes TONS more money. 

 

Quote:Pettigrew doesn't make "peanuts". His salary this year was about 2 million. And this was the last year of his rookie deal. Lets see what kind of contract he gets this offseason.

 

2 MIL compared to 7-8 MIL.....hmmmm........

 

And Pettigrew won't command a ton on the market either. 

 

 

(Just for the record, Pettigrew isn't my "ideal" TE, but I'd take him at his price, over Garbcedes at his price. )

 

I want a Jason Witten/ Jay Graham/ Gates type ideally. 

Quote:2 MIL compared to 7-8 MIL.....hmmmm........

 

And Pettigrew won't command a ton on the market either. 

 

We'll see. Jared Cook got 7 million per on the open market last spring.