Quote:Wrong.
Orton is just a backup, too.
Unless your backup offers the possibility of being a real starter then he's just a backup.
Please stop pretending to know what you are talking about. You're embarrassing yourself. This is almost as stupid as "Gabbert is clutch."
GM after GM in this league have repeatedly signed aging vets who reached their ceiling years earlier to be their back-up QB. You're trying to make up some wacky "back-up QB litmus test" to suit your anti-Henne agenda and it's just pathetic. Teams have veteran back-ups in which they know what they have - and sometimes also have a developmental guy. They aren't often rolled into one as you are trying to set as some imaginary standard.
Quote:Please stop pretending to know what you are talking about. You're embarrassing yourself. This is almost as stupid as "Gabbert is clutch."
GM after GM in this league have repeatedly signed aging vets who reached their ceiling years earlier to be their back-up QB. You're trying to make up some wacky "back-up QB litmus test" to suit your anti-Henne agenda and it's just pathetic. Teams have veteran back-ups in which they know what they have - and sometimes also have a developmental guy. They aren't often rolled into one as you are trying to set as some imaginary standard.
I didn't say Henne or Orton aren't backups, that's what I've been saying this whole time. Someone else said they're good backups, I said they're just regular backups and noted what it means to be a good backup.
Your continual harping on Gabbert is getting tired, I already owned that issue, I was wrong on it. The inability of people like yourself to let it go says a lot more about you than it does about me.
Quote:I didn't say Henne or Orton aren't backups, that's what I've been saying this whole time. Someone else said they're good backups, I said they're just regular backups and noted what it means to be a good backup.
Your continual harping on Gabbert is getting tired, I already owned that issue, I was wrong on it. The inability of people like yourself to let it go says a lot more about you than it does about me.
Fine - no more BG harping from me. However - In the same spirit - you should probably give up on the Henne posting since they were inextricably linked in most of those posts you've owned being wrong on. The residual hate you have for the guy is transparent.
Quote:Fine - no more BG harping from me. However - In the same spirit - you should probably give up on the Henne posting since they were inextricably linked in most of those posts you've owned being wrong on. The residual hate you have for the guy is transparent.
There's no hate. That's your own perception painting words on a screen.
I'm just being realistic. A guy with a 75 career passer rating, a losing record, and more INTs than TDs simply isn't a "good backup". He's just a backup a team would hope they never have to rely on.
If he's the backup next year I won't shed any tears over it, but I'd hope we take a flier on a Foles or a Cousins or a Russell Wilson in the middle rounds in the hope of getting a guy that can be the next Rob Johnson instead of just keeping a guy around because he fills a slot.
Quote:There's no hate. That's your own perception painting words on a screen.
LOL. OK. Keep telling yourself that.
Quote:LOL. OK. Keep telling yourself that.
Whatever, if you can manage to hold yourself back from turning every discussion into a thread about BG then you can go on thinking I have some kind of grudge against a backup QB and I won't care.
Quote:Wrong.
Orton is just a backup, too.
Unless your backup offers the possibility of being a real starter then he's just a backup.
Not surprisingly, you've missed the point.
Your definition of a backup is not the same as that of many General Managers. Strangely, many want a backup to be a - backup. Someone with experience who can serve as a reliable fill-in for a few games while the starter heals.
You seem to think that the only definition is that of someone like Ricky Stanzi.
But of course, you're not a GM.
Quote:Not surprisingly, you've missed the point.
Your definition of a backup is not the same as that of many General Managers. Strangely, many want a backup to be a - backup. Someone with experience who can serve as a reliable fill-in for a few games while the starter heals.
You seem to think that the only definition is that of someone like Ricky Stanzi.
But of course, you're not a GM.
So which GM's therapist are you? You know, since you're so in their head.
Quote:Whatever, if you can manage to hold yourself back from turning every discussion into a thread about BG then you can go on thinking I have some kind of grudge against a backup QB and I won't care.
Don't be such a baby. Your idiotic BG rant was epic and awful and this is exactly the fourth time I've mentioned it. You earned that. I tried to drop it two posts ago and now
YOU have brought it back. Congratulations.
Quote:Don't be such a baby. Your idiotic BG rant was epic and awful and this is exactly the fourth time I've mentioned it. You earned that. I tried to drop it two posts ago and now YOU have brought it back. Congratulations.
Duly noted, after 3 minutes the topics you have brought up expire and are now suddenly my issue. Thanks for clarifying that.
Quote:Duly noted, after 3 minutes the topics you have brought up expire and are now suddenly my issue. Thanks for clarifying that.
You're welcome.
ON TOPIC: Thanks for ignoring the meat of my original post and topic. Here it is again for you. It's why you are wrong with your assertions in this thread.
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Teams have veteran back-ups in which they know what they have - and sometimes also have a developmental guy. They aren't often rolled into one as you are trying to set as some imaginary standard.
Quote:So which GM's therapist are you? You know, since you're so in their head.
Wow, what a come back!
It's just seems that I can read about and observe the NFL. Not real difficult.
You, on the other hand, have to try and redefine concepts in the NFL in a sad attempt to try and reflect poorly on Chad Henne.
For a guy who is so pathetic, in your mind, he gets a tremendous amount of your attention.
You might want to just move on.
Quote:You're welcome. ON TOPIC: Thanks for ignoring the meat of my original post and topic. Here it is again for you. It's why you are wrong with your assertions in this thread.
What part of your post do I have to disagree with?
I didn't say that teams don't sometimes want a guy that knows he's a failure as a starter that won't rock the boat and try to undercut the starter. I said that a good backup is a guy that either is actual starting material, or who you can trade to a team for that level of v alue.
Neither Henne nor Gabbert are starting QBs in this league. It will be interesting to see what happens during the offseason. I'll be shocked of either of these guys are starting for any team next year (except as a backup if the starter goes down).
Quote:I said that a good backup is a guy that either is actual starting material, or who you can trade to a team...
That's a luxury that most teams aren't afforded. The Jags would have to have an amazing streak of drafting and FA signings to find themselves in a scenario in which they have a quality starting QB and a tradable back-up. It's completely unrealistic for that to happen for the Jags next season and probably a stretch the following year as well.
Back-up QBs that are tradable commodities aren't out there growing on trees. They are a very hit and miss entity in the draft and often don't work out.
Quote:That's a luxury that most teams aren't afforded. The Jags would have to have an amazing streak of drafting and FA signings to find themselves in a scenario in which they have a quality starting QB and a tradable back-up. It's completely unrealistic for that to happen for the Jags next season and probably a stretch the following year as well.
Back-up QBs that are tradable commodities aren't out there growing on trees. They are a very hit and miss entity in the draft and often don't work out.
Agreed, I don't expect them to be so fortunate to suddenly have two good QBs, but that doesn't change the fact that if Henne sticks around it won't be because he has talent beyond what would be findable "languishing on the street." (so to speak)
Still doesn't change the fact that I'd rather the team start trying to find real value by getting young guys in here rather than being complacent and filling roster spots with guys who definitely never have value above filling a roster slot and everyone praying he never sees the field.
edit: As Vic is found of saying, give me some young lions.
Quote: give me some young lions.
Caldwell seems to be marching in that direction - so I wouldn't worry. Youth is being and will continue to be featured on this team. Doing it at the #2 QB position, however,
might take a couple of years.
Quote:Caldwell seems to be marching in that direction - so I wouldn't worry. Youth is being and will continue to be featured on this team. Doing it at the #2 QB position, however, might take a couple of years.
Before you can worry about having this great backup you better feel you have an elite QB who is not likely to get injured. Otherwise you're looking at Ricky Stanzi to win you some games.
And how many teams have one of these great up and comers as backups anyway? Cousins/Redskins comes to mind, but I don't think there are too many others.
Quote:Agreed, I don't expect them to be so fortunate to suddenly have two good QBs, but that doesn't change the fact that if Henne sticks around it won't be because he has talent beyond what would be findable "languishing on the street." (so to speak)
Still doesn't change the fact that I'd rather the team start trying to find real value by getting young guys in here rather than being complacent and filling roster spots with guys who definitely never have value above filling a roster slot and everyone praying he never sees the field.
edit: As Vic is found of saying, give me some young lions.
I'm not going to keep harping on this - think what you want to think, but really ...
So teams "are being complacent and filling roster spots with guys who definitely never have value ..." Like who? Where do you come up with this stuff?
Are the Bears just filling a roster spot? The Cowboys? The Packers? Do you watch the NFL?
Glad you're not my team's GM.