Quote:They cry no respect...yet play a weak schedule...you cannot have it both ways. While not a FSU fan I do know that they played two teams ranked in the top 7 when they played, OSUs last regular season game against a top 10 opponent was SEP2009 (USC whom they lost to in Colombus). While I have destain for the schedule and their coach I do not hate......there is a difference.
That is like saying the Buckeyes played a top 15 team at the time they beat #13 Northwestern. It is pretty obvious now the Wildcats were badly overrated.
Same thing with the Miami/FSU game. Miami dropped out of the rankings after later losing to Duke.
Quote:LOL the exact response I would expect from an OSU fan....blind support for "urban the wonderful" I would be deeply embarassed to defend the actions of a coach condoning a player fighting and giving the finger on national tv.....all of that to have FSU beat you by 25 It has been a long time since I graduated college....but I could never defend my school allowing the players to act in this manner!!!!!
Meyer is paid to win football games. We're way past the era of "building character" or any of those old myths that the sportswriters loved so much.
Everyone wants some
other school to be real punitive about this sort of thing.
Quote:Did the Gators and Seminoles ever have a fight like that when Urban Meyer was at UF?
I'm not sure if there was a fight between the teams. I was referring to the idea of disciplining players, not necessarily the fight itself. He has been pretty lax in disciplining players. I know there has been a lot written about it. Here is one story:
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-footbal...-will-musc.
Quote:That is like saying the Buckeyes played a top 15 team at the time they beat #13 Northwestern. It is pretty obvious now the Wildcats were badly overrated.
Same thing with the Miami/FSU game. Miami dropped out of the rankings after later losing to Duke.
Northwestern was not #13 when they played Ohio State.
Quote:Northwestern was not #13 when they played Ohio State.
this is true, They were 16.
Quote:LOL the exact response I would expect from an OSU fan....blind support for "urban the wonderful" I would be deeply embarassed to defend the actions of a coach condoning a player fighting and giving the finger on national tv.....all of that to have FSU beat you by 25 It has been a long time since I graduated college....but I could never defend my school allowing the players to act in this manner!!!!!
Personally, I don't care for Meyer. Hated him at UF, and was less than excited after hearing he would be our new HC.
As it stands my fanhood is to the school, and I have to accept the Meyer comes with that. Leave this "Meyer is holier than thou" narrative at the door.
FSU vs tOSU is just speculation. who would win an by how much, is fun to discuss, but don't start using it in an insult like it's a fact.
The OL who flipped the bird, should probably have some form of reprimand greater than what was already awarded to him, but the HC made a judgement call, and if the BIG 10 doesn't see fit to enforce any other penalty, then it is what it is.
not necessarily directed at you, but can we put an end to the rehashing of Urban and Hernandez? There is no definitive proof that Urban was aware of, or covered up any wrongdoings of Hernandez. Urban knew he was troubled and asked the Pounceys to look after him and keep him out of trouble. I'm sure that if he had any direct knowledge of Hernandez shooting anyone, he would have acted. If there were any proof that he knew of this, and covered it up, the NCAA would not let him be coaching. Save it.
I, and most, were tOSU fans before Meyer, and I will certainly be one after he leaves.
Quote:Northwestern was not #13 when they played Ohio State.
Maybe in the other poll. I clearly remember reading 13 next to the word Northwestern on my TV screen.
Quote: I guess to Urban Character still does not matter!!!
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...title-game
Ohio State knowingly hired Urban Meyer. They made their decision to go with him fully knowing his tolerance can be deadly. To Ohio State, winning is all that matters.
Quote:Ohio State knowingly hired Urban Meyer. They made their decision to go with him fully knowing his tolerance can be deadly. To Ohio State, winning is all that matters.
Not true. John Cooper was fired after an 8-4 season that ended at the Outback Bowl. Why? Problems included players skipping classes, so they hired Jim Tressel, who believed the only reason to do that is a death in the family. Cooper was terrible at disciplining players. Tressel was vrey good at that, suspending Steve Bellistari from the Senior Day game for driving drunk. And I am sure you know whenever players violate team rules, they are suspended, no matter who the head coach is at Ohio State. So no, winning is
not all that matters.
Quote:Of course they don't warrant the same punishment. The fact that Carlos Hyde was suspended for the first three games is proof the reason was an off-field activity.
But the acts committed on the field were acts of unsanctioned violence; not that much different from a guy getting into a tiff at a bar or causing trouble out and about. I'm sorry that you can't see how the two acts can't be connected.
Quote:But the acts committed on the field were acts of unsanctioned violence; not that much different from a guy getting into a tiff at a bar or causing trouble out and about. I'm sorry that you can't see how the two acts can't be connected.
What I see is this: The NFL has recently started suspending players for illegal hits, but never when a player punched an opponent. So why should a college football player be suspended for punching an opponent?
Quote:What I see is this: The NFL has recently started suspending players for illegal hits, but never when a player punched an opponent. So why should a college football player be suspended for punching an opponent?
That's not true. The NFL suspended Antonio Smith for his fight against the now infamous Richie Incognito.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pla...by_the_NFL
Quote:That's not true. The NFL suspended Antonio Smith for his fight against the now infamous Richie Incognito.
But not Clay Matthews, who punched a 49ers player out of bounds and was lucky to not get fined.
Quote:But not Clay Matthews, who punched a 49ers player out of bounds and was lucky to not get fined.
Regardless, precedence has been set.
This is all a moot discussion point anyway in my mind since I think that it's a foregone conclusion that aside from maybe a drug trafficking conviction or actively helping Al Qaeda to cleanse the godless America of the infidel corporate monster known as "McDonalds", Meyer ain't gonna suspend those players for big games.
Quote:Not true. John Cooper was fired after an 8-4 season that ended at the Outback Bowl. Why? Problems included players skipping classes, so they hired Jim Tressel, who believed the only reason to do that is a death in the family. Cooper was terrible at disciplining players. Tressel was vrey good at that, suspending Steve Bellistari from the Senior Day game for driving drunk. And I am sure you know whenever players violate team rules, they are suspended, no matter who the head coach is at Ohio State. So no, winning is not all that matters.
Under Tressel I believe that..under the current coach..winning is all that counts..ethics and character does not!!
Quote:You know how it is on this board. People hate on the Buckeyes just to hate them, without any logical reason.
I will not guess Urban Meyer's reasoning for the different levels of discipline or judge his decisions without hearing from him directly why he did not suspend either player. People who do that only want to make up silly reasons to hate the Buckeyes that make no sense.
There are quite a few extremely logical reasons, you just dont see them.
I think its completely illogical that you root for 16 different college football teams as well.
Quote:Personally, I don't care for Meyer. Hated him at UF, and was less than excited after hearing he would be our new HC.
As it stands my fanhood is to the school, and I have to accept the Meyer comes with that. Leave this "Meyer is holier than thou" narrative at the door.
FSU vs tOSU is just speculation. who would win an by how much, is fun to discuss, but don't start using it in an insult like it's a fact.
The OL who flipped the bird, should probably have some form of reprimand greater than what was already awarded to him, but the HC made a judgement call, and if the BIG 10 doesn't see fit to enforce any other penalty, then it is what it is.
not necessarily directed at you, but can we put an end to the rehashing of Urban and Hernandez? There is no definitive proof that Urban was aware of, or covered up any wrongdoings of Hernandez. Urban knew he was troubled and asked the Pounceys to look after him and keep him out of trouble. I'm sure that if he had any direct knowledge of Hernandez shooting anyone, he would have acted. If there were any proof that he knew of this, and covered it up, the NCAA would not let him be coaching. Save it.
I, and most, were tOSU fans before Meyer, and I will certainly be one after he leaves.
Good for you to say that. I know quite a few OSU fans in Florida though and after all the trash they talked about Urban at UF, it was a complete switch when he got to OSU.
I think all Gator fans knew deep down he was a dirt bag, they just dealt with it....because well, the guy was winning titles.
Quote:<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);">I originally typed a long missive about acceptance of churlish behavior causes more of this type behavior……then I realized I was wasting my time with the disciples of “urban the perfect”……so I just simply deleted the post….the win at all cost without character or class people just wear me down.
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I'm just trying to point out that
all coaches are in a win at all costs environment. The money and attention (TV ratings, etc.) are so large that a coach is not going to risk his job over "character or class". He'll usually do whatever he can get by with.
We all love Bobby Bowden, right? Well, he wasn't exactly Mr. Disciplinarian was he? But he had an engaging personality and aw shucks demeanor so he got by with it. (I'm an FSU grad and thought Bobby was cool, but let's not kid ourselves.)
College football is now big business, as you are well aware of, so I don't think we should be surprised that we see some of the same behavior we see in all types of business settings.
All that being said, there are still honest and honorable people in college athletics. Just don't push them too hard toward those ethical boundaries. They'll do what most of us would - whatever they have to.
Quote:I'm just trying to point out that all coaches are in a win at all costs environment. The money and attention (TV ratings, etc.) are so large that a coach is not going to risk his job over "character or class". He'll usually do whatever he can get by with.
We all love Bobby Bowden, right? Well, he wasn't exactly Mr. Disciplinarian was he? But he had an engaging personality and aw shucks demeanor so he got by with it. (I'm an FSU grad and thought Bobby was cool, but let's not kid ourselves.)
College football is now big business, as you are well aware of, so I don't think we should be surprised that we see some of the same behavior we see in all types of business settings.
All that being said, there are still honest and honorable people in college athletics. Just don't push them too hard toward those ethical boundaries. They'll do what most of us would - whatever they have to.
Bobby suspended his best player for a national championship game. I don't ever see Urban doing something to that degree.