Fournette is a pure power back with some breakaway speed.
Fred was 6'0 225 with LeSean McCoy elusiveness. Oh and he also had 4.3 speed.
Their running styles couldn't be any more different.
On paper, the potential is there. It all hinges on the QB.
Quote:Is this the "comparison" from TC you are talking about?
Because ^ that doesn't help your point. It means you're wrong and he didn't actually compare them
The running styles of the two backs is so different that it's literally a laughable comparison. They seriously look nothing alike running the football.
I disagree, they both have the same athletic traits and had success in the SEC, if anything Fournette is more complete as a prospect than Fred was. Of course he hasn't rushed for 11k in the league yet, but he's considered by many to be a generational talent. Stop getting so sensitive about the comparison the Fred. They both have home run, breakaway ability. Fournette is more of a violent runner, but he can make one cut and go too! I'm convinced many of you have never seen fournette play
Quote:I disagree, they both have the same athletic traits and had success in the SEC, if anything Fournette is more complete as a prospect than Fred was. Of course he hasn't rushed for 11k in the league yet, but he's considered by many to be a generational talent. Stop getting so sensitive about the comparison the Fred. They both have home run, breakaway ability. Fournette is more of a violent runner, but he can make one cut and go too! I'm convinced many of you have never seen fournette play
LOL
It's not sensitivity. It's that I have eyeballs in my face that actually function.
Fred's lateral agility and ability to make defenders miss at the line of scrimmage was literally on a different planet than Fournette's very questionable ability in that area. They are so starkly in contrast to one another in that way - you'd have to be a fool not to see it.
Fournette is fast. He's strong. He's a talented football player and I like that he's a Jaguar even though I'd have chosen differently.
He's an elite prospect -- but he cannot do many of the things that Fred did to make defenders miss. He just can't.
Quote:https://www.boston.com/sports/new-englan...ew-england
http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-cha...cksonville
Just linking someone's article isn't what anyone is looking for. Paint the picture yourself, what are the parallels between Gus and Carrol/Belichick? Did Gus have a winning season or get into the playoffs or get fired after only a single season with more than 5 wins? Is the entire Jaguars fanbase living under some kind of delusion and Gus wasn't actually the worst head coach of the Superbowl era to ever be allowed to coach a team for at least 50 games?
Quote:LOL
It's not sensitivity. It's that I have eyeballs in my face that actually function.
Fred's lateral agility and ability to make defenders miss at the line of scrimmage was literally on a different planet than Fournette's very questionable ability in that area. They are so starkly in contrast to one another in that way - you'd have to be a fool not to see it.
Fournette is fast. He's strong. He's a talented football player and I like that he's a Jaguar even though I'd have chosen differently.
He's an elite prospect -- but he cannot do many of the things that Fred did to make defenders miss. He just can't.
Fournette can't make defenders miss at LOS? Yep, you've definitely never watched one game.
Quote:Fournette can't make defenders miss at LOS? Yep, you've definitely never watched one game.
He's not very good at it when compared to Fred Taylor. Again. This is a painfully obvious observation and it was the one common knock on Fournette prior to the draft from a number of the more respected analysts.
Having a good lead-blocking FB will help. So I'm optimistic about Fournette and expect him to break some big time runs as a Jaguar. But we'll see plenty of shoestring tackles where Fournette gets easily tripped up at the line when there's no hole for him to run through.
It's all over his cut-ups at LSU and he'll only be facing tougher defenses now. So it will continue to happen.
I've watched about a dozen of his games and studied his cut-ups against the better defenses.
He struggles when met with pressure at or behind the line of scrimmage and is easily tripped up in those situations.
Fred would improvise his way out of those situations fairly often. Fournette doesn't have the lateral agility to extricate himself from backfield pressure like Fred did. It's a very clear-cut, plain-to-see matter.
Quote:Just linking someone's article isn't what anyone is looking for. Paint the picture yourself, what are the parallels between Gus and Carrol/Belichick? Did Gus have a winning season or get into the playoffs or get fired after only a single season with more than 5 wins? Is the entire Jaguars fanbase living under some kind of delusion and Gus wasn't actually the worst head coach of the Superbowl era to ever be allowed to coach a team for at least 50 games?
Have you ever listened to a Browns or Jets fan? They are dark, souless shells of human beings walking around like zombies, dazed by the vertigo of their own negativity. Every coach that gets fired doesn't get thrown under a bus, they get tied to a railroad track.
The Patriots? Their fans were insufferable in a completely different way before Brady and Belichick. I am old enough to remember when Dan Marino owned that division from the day he was drafted in 1983 to the day he retired in 1999.
But here's the thing, Belichick and Carroll were considered trash back then...by everybody! But years later, with more experience and a little perspective, they became the very best coaches in the league. The Seahawks have the second most wins over the last five years, second only to New England by about three victories. One in the Super Bowl.
Don't be surprised if Gus Bradley's career follows the same trajectory.
At least here in Florida we have a little sunshine when things are bad.
You could be in Cleveland.
Quote:Have you ever listened to a Browns or Jets fan? They are dark, souless shells of human beings walking around like zombies, dazed by the vertigo of their own negativity. Every coach that gets fired doesn't get thrown under a bus, they get tied to a railroad track.
The Patriots? Their fans were insufferable in a completely different way before Brady and Belichick. I am old enough to remember when Dan Marino owned that division from the day he was drafted in 1983 to the day he retired in 1999.
But here's the thing, Belichick and Carroll were considered trash back then...by everybody! But years later, with more experience and a little perspective, they became the very best coaches in the league. The Seahawks have the second most wins over the last five years, second only to New England by about three victories. One in the Super Bowl.
Don't be surprised if Gus Bradley's career follows the same trajectory.
At least here in Florida we have a little sunshine when things are bad.
You could be in Cleveland.
Gus turning into Belichick? Maybe you should go to Vegas and see about making a bet. Gus gets 16 straight winning seasons in a row at his next head coaching gig, along with 5 Superbowl titles. I doubt you'll have trouble finding people that would lay down money against you on that one, except for the fact that it's quite unlikely the guy ever gets another head coaching gig again, anyway.
Quote:Gus turning into Belichick? Maybe you should go to Vegas and see about making a bet. Gus gets 16 straight winning seasons in a row at his next head coaching gig, along with 5 Superbowl titles. I doubt you'll have trouble finding people that would lay down money against you on that one, except for the fact that it's quite unlikely the guy ever gets another head coaching gig again, anyway.
How many games do you think the Jaguars would have won last year with Tom Brady at quarterback?
Quote:Trolling or real?
Just trying to present you with a little reality.
I'm a fan of Fournette. I'm just able to see the flaw in his game. The new Jaguars staff seems intent on doing what they can to keep LF out of situations that would magnify it, so I'm hopeful for his future as a Jag.
Fred didn't have that flaw. He was able to make lateral cuts that Fournette has never made and will never make. I'm not sure what's so difficult about this for you to grasp.
Their speed in the open field is comparable. Their ability and willingness to lower a shoulder pad into a defender at full tilt is comparable.
Their elusiveness around the LOS, however, is not comparable at all.
Quote:How many games do you think the Jaguars would have won last year with Tom Brady at quarterback?
With Gus as the coach? Probably not many, but I expect if the Jaguars had Tom Brady at QB he'd have probably had Gus fired pretty quick.
Really, though, counterfactual thought exercises like the above are rather a waste of time, we'll get a chance in a few months to see more of the difference that Gus was making like we did in weeks 16 and 17 of last season.
Quote:My best guess would be its weakest point was coaching and game planning. Other than that I think that Cyp was a coverage liability, but the talent on the defense is (I think) good enough to be a real legitimate top ten unit.
Like I've been saying, anyone that places blame for the team's failings last year only on Bortles clearly doesn't understand what we all saw. The team underachieved badly against its talent level. I think that can stop in 2017.
No one is serving 100% of the blame pie to Bortles, but his share is the definitely the largest piece and it's more than half the pie followed by sizable pieces being served to special teams and leadership/coaching. The defense played very well last year given the hand they were dealt all too often by the other two units, but they significantly underperformed in the turnover department as has already been noted. The defense generating more turnovers could have masked Bortles gaffes, or Bortles limiting his gaffes could have made the defensive improvement more evident. If I had to choose only one of those two things to improve this year, I'd choose for Bortles to limit his gaffes. Hopefully both improve, but it's quite possible neither do.
A reduction in attempts leading to fewer gaffes would be nice, but I'm not ready to draw that conclusion as it's not like they all happened in the 4th quarter. His turnovers, more often than not, either put the opponent in the end zone or in field goal range. That has to not only be reduced, but be reduced dramatically for this team to ascend.
I laid this out pretty clearly in a thread last December about points assigned to the Jags D that were actually more the responsibility of the offense/ST, but there is still a clear emotional attachment to the guy for some based on the excitement he brought in 2015.
Quote:With Gus as the coach? Probably not many, but I expect if the Jaguars had Tom Brady at QB he'd have probably had Gus fired pretty quick.
Really, though, counterfactual thought exercises like the above are rather a waste of time, we'll get a chance in a few months to see more of the difference that Gus was making like we did in weeks 16 and 17 of last season.
You are completely ignoring my point. Perhaps you are too young to remember how badly people thought of those two coaches.
Here let me refresh your memory about Pete Carroll:
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Give Pete Carroll about one year before he starts realizing the mistake he just made. By that time, he'll be wondering why he resigned from USC to become head coach of the Seattle Seahawks....Regardless of how optimistic some Carroll supporters may be about this news, the man is going to fail in the NFL. He's already been fired by the New York Jets (whom he coached in 1994) and the New England Patriots (he was there from 1997 to '99), which is all you really need to know....Although Carroll deserves credit for securing a nice paycheck in this move, there's little else about the decision that makes sense. It's as if Carroll dismissed all the recent struggles of other head coaches who jumped from college to the NFL. Nick Saban couldn't last more than two years with the Miami Dolphins before fleeing to Alabama. Bobby Petrino didn't even finish a full year in Atlanta before racing off to Arkansas. Steve Spurrier was miserable with the Washington Redskins until he decided it was best to disappear and then land at South Carolina...What those other coaches eventually learned is that there is a substantial difference between leading grown men and leading boys who are becoming men...Carroll should know this last fact better than anybody. He never became a top head coach because the perception was that he was too soft. As much as his hypercaffeinated, rah-rah nature excited college kids who gravitated to his affable personality, it had an opposite effect in the league. The players didn't merely see a players' coach. They saw a pushover, which is the last thing an NFL head coach can afford to be...Now that he's back in the NFL, Carroll will eventually discover that plenty has changed since he left more than a decade ago. The players have gotten bigger, faster, stronger and, yes, smarter. They're probably better at recognizing a coach who isn't ready to deal with all the challenges that come with leading grown men who make tons of money. And what Carroll hasn't realized yet is that he's still the type of guy who falls into that category.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/columns/story?co...id=4816051
Quote:I laid this out pretty clearly in a thread last December about points assigned to the Jags D that were actually more the responsibility of the offense/ST, but there is still a clear emotional attachment to the guy for some based on the excitement he brought in 2015.
I've seen it and it was badly misguided. All defenses face short fields or turnovers/special teams plays that go for TDs. Most defenses also hand some of those back to the offense. The Jaguars defense didn't do that. They were terrible at creating turnovers, and they weren't good enough at making critical stops late in games.
You can try to equivocate it by coming up with stats like trying to reassign points to other phases of the team instead of the defense, but the defense was not some strength of the team getting a raw deal from the rest of the team, the defense wasn't good enough, either.
Quote:Just trying to present you with a little reality.
I'm a fan of Fournette. I'm just able to see the flaw in his game. The new Jaguars staff seems intent on doing what they can to keep LF out of situations that would magnify it, so I'm hopeful for his future as a Jag.
Fred didn't have that flaw. He was able to make lateral cuts that Fournette has never made and will never make. I'm not sure what's so difficult about this for you to grasp.
Their speed in the open field is comparable. Their ability and willingness to lower a shoulder pad into a defender at full tilt is comparable.
Their elusiveness around the LOS, however, is not comparable at all.
In light of his talent how many yards do you expect him to contribute this season? Rushing and receiving
Wow, we have one guy trying to say Fournette can cut like Fred (must be trolling) and then we have another who compared Gus Bradley to Pete Carroll and Bill Belichek (insane). This board may have lost half the members in the SQL, but some who remained lost half their mind.