Quote:Great point, maybe you should back it up with some statistics, you know, of the Jaguars having a sub 20 minutes time of possession showing that you're not full of it when you say something like the above.
Team was 26th in time of possession, sorry you didn't watch much Jags last season
Quote:Team was 26th in time of possession, sorry you didn't watch much Jags last season
There's something you should be sorry for here, but it's not how much of the Jaguars I got to see, it's how you were shown to be objectively and spectacularly wrong and are now trying to move the goalposts.
Furthermore there were two teams that finished below the Jaguars in time of possession ranking that both had a winning record for the season, and both of them managed to hold teams they faced to less points per game than the Jaguars did.
I know at this point it's emotional for you and you're not going to let go of it but you're not showing well for yourself with this stuff.
OPie is so right. If we don't win the division, Coughlin should be gone (100% dead SRS)
Quote:There's something you should be sorry for here, but it's not how much of the Jaguars I got to see, it's how you were shown to be objectively and spectacularly wrong and are now trying to move the goalposts.
Furthermore there were two teams that finished below the Jaguars in time of possession ranking that both had a winning record for the season, and both of them managed to hold teams they faced to less points per game than the Jaguars did.
I know at this point it's emotional for you and you're not going to let go of it but you're not showing well for yourself with this stuff.
So spectacularly wrong again!!!
Love that you cherry pick that two teams that finished below the Jags have a winning record to fit your agenda. The bottom 3 teams in TOP are the Bears, Browns and Niners. The top 6? Eagles, Pats, Cowboys, Raiders, Texans, Packers. There's a reason Coughlin has talked so much about running the ball and controlling the clock.
Quote:So spectacularly wrong again!!!
Love that you cherry pick that two teams that finished below the Jags have a winning record to fit your agenda. The bottom 3 teams in TOP are the Bears, Browns and Niners. The top 6? Eagles, Pats, Cowboys, Raiders, Texans, Packers. There's a reason Coughlin has talked so much about running the ball and controlling the clock.
Keep moving the goalposts, troll. Jaguars defense was part of the problem, not just a victim of the QB like you've been claiming.
Quote:No because the running game will not bail us out of 2 tds plus down. At the end of the day does not matter if the qb throws 650 times or 100 times. If he is not there mentally wont matter. Take out the fantasy stats. When he throws less and the offense rushes more he has won a whopping 4 games. Even if ya double that. Still not 10.
Our d will be better but needed more pass rushers. Our o line will be better. But Blake has a really bad spiral. And is off the mark. That's why added another speed guy to catch up to passes or shift better.
Blake is better than blaine, is not better then David. And certainly not a franchise qb. Not drafting a qb will bite us in the behind.
Too many look at the tds stats of 2015 and think will improve. But doesn't have to improve to 2015 has to improve from 2016 before can hit 2015.
I don't care if he throws 60 ints as long as we can score over 120 tds, But we cant. Cause it is not all gus fault. He was part of it. But Blake has to much to work on to be successful this year. And yet wont be here next year.
There are exceptions... but as a general rule, the running game won't take you to a championship in the modern game. We're emphasizing our running game to try to compensate for our weakness in our passing game. That weakness has been Blake Bortles and a sub-par offensive line. While Gus Bradley was indeed a part of our past woes, he wasn't the whole problem; our quarterbacks sub-professional performance has also been a major slice of the issue. We had a very bad defense as well, but that has largely been addressed and isn't the main issue now. Our receivers have had their issues with drops, but overall they are very good. Blake had his 'good season' in 2015 when teams were still not really worrying too much about the 'Allens'. They quickly learned that lesson and in 2016 the Allens weren't so much of a factor any more... and suddenly Blake didn't look too good.
Last season was Blakes third year... the one where most winning pro quarterbacks start to ratchet up their performance; not so Blake, he instead went the opposite direction. It wasn't entirely his fault; his former HC was epically bad, his o-line left a lot to be desired too, so much so that we lacked a balanced offense. Combine that with a quarterback who is still, at the pro level, struggling with throwing a spiral, with accuracy, and with poor field vision and decision making and you get what we saw in 2017.
I've no doubt that if this years draft had featured some really good quarterback prospects that the Jags would've been all over it and Blake would become the backup; but that wasn't the case. TC did the next best thing as a temporary plug for our majorly leaking dam; try to strengthen our o-line and get a workhorse running back to lean on to take the emphasis off our passing game. We didn't really get 'more fit' on offense... we just limited the hemorrhaging that is Blake Bortles.
No wonder Vegas' has us at no better than winning 5-6 games this season....
So Gus Bradley proved to be a major bust as the HC here, and unless the miraculous happens here
this season Bortles (inspite of the 5th year ext) could/should be history here next season. No wonder Shad brought in TC cause Dave's top guys are both busts!
We'll see how it goes, but I ain't holding my breath for anything much better than 5-6 wins this season.
Go Jags.
Quote:Keep moving the goalposts, troll. Jaguars defense was part of the problem, not just a victim of the QB like you've been claiming.
How am I a troll and I've been active on these boards since 09? Wrong again, please go back to your old username. No goalposts have been moved, my point is valid and stands, controlling the ball and clock will make us a better team and our lack of ability to do so resulted in what happened last year. Thankfully TC who has won two SBs, agreed with my analysis and is improving the team thusly. Nobody ever said anything about it being all on Bortles but you, the whole offense failed to live up to expectations and often put the Jags in bad situations.
Quote:Or maybe there is another equally plausible explaination; the jaguars were an overall bad team in all phases, including defense, and some people have decided to make Bortles the scapegoat.
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Yep.
Firing Shack fixed it.
No, firing JDR fixed it.
No, firing Gene fixed it.
No, firing Mularkey fixed it.
No, firing Gabbert fixed it.
No, firing Gus fixed it.
<pause for breath>
Firing Bortles must certainly fix it this time. We're running out of silver bullets.
(But we'll never, EVER run out of scapegoats...)
Quote:How am I a troll and I've been active on these boards since 09? Wrong again, please go back to your old username. No goalposts have been moved, my point is valid and stands, controlling the ball and clock will make us a better team and our lack of ability to do so resulted in what happened last year. Thankfully TC who has won two SBs, agreed with my analysis and is improving the team thusly. Nobody ever said anything about it being all on Bortles but you, the whole offense failed to live up to expectations and often put the Jags in bad situations.
I agree that the offense was woeful. No running game threat, and no commitment to it for most of the season. The pick sixes and other turnovers killed.
However, the defense did earn their share of criticism - and the number of FA moves to shore up the defensive side of the ball screams that point.
While it's true that there are some fundamental things we can do to improve, we're still working on getting to good. A few key tweaks here and there should help the win column immediately, but we're not out of the woods yet.
Quote:I agree that the offense was woeful. No running game threat, and no commitment to it for most of the season. The pick sixes and other turnovers killed.
However, the defense did earn their share of criticism - and the number of FA moves to shore up the defensive side of the ball screams that point.
While it's true that there are some fundamental things we can do to improve, we're still working on getting to good. A few key tweaks here and there should help the win column immediately, but we're not out of the woods yet.
Offense was horrible, special teams was horrible and the defense was average. Hard to argue these points
Quote:Keep moving the goalposts, troll. Jaguars defense was part of the problem, not just a victim of the QB like you've been claiming.
I accept my victory via 7th round knockout
Quote:Yep.
Firing Shack fixed it.
No, firing JDR fixed it.
No, firing Gene fixed it.
No, firing Mularkey fixed it.
No, firing Gabbert fixed it.
No, firing Gus fixed it.
<pause for breath>
Firing Bortles must certainly fix it this time. We're running out of silver bullets.
(But we'll never, EVER run out of scapegoats...)
I didn't say that and never have. I would have preferred for him to have the added pressure of facing free agency after this season, but that decision has been made and we're moving forward. He's here, starting and likely will be into next season if not longer if he improves. I'll be cheering him on and hoping for that improvement. I won't be participating in the rewriting of history, however. It's like some didn't watch the games last year or their memory of them faded and they looked at the raw season stats to draw shaky conclusions.
You can realize that the largest share of the blame for what happened last year was his and still cheer him on this year. It isn't and doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. No one needs to come up with an excuse to cheer him and the team on which is what the constant apologizing for him by some appears to be. And no one needs to take personal offense at any deserved criticism lobbed at Bortles game last year, yet there's a few here that apparently do.
Quote:I accept my victory via 7th round knockout
So to recap, you said:
Quote:The defense was not bad last year by any stretch last year, sure it wasn't all Bortles fault but he defense generally did its job until late in the game when it was worn and had been on the field 40 minutes.
Then started backtracking and moving the goalposts to this:
Quote:Team was 26th in time of possession, sorry you didn't watch much Jags last season
Then to this:
Quote:So spectacularly wrong again!!!
Love that you cherry pick that two teams that finished below the Jags have a winning record to fit your agenda. The bottom 3 teams in TOP are the Bears, Browns and Niners. The top 6? Eagles, Pats, Cowboys, Raiders, Texans, Packers. There's a reason Coughlin has talked so much about running the ball and controlling the clock.
So, to sum it up, first you started off spouting about how the defense was good but was a victim of the offense hanging them out to dry for 40 minutes per game, then you started the shuck'n and jive'n (as FBT was fond of saying) to just saying the time of possession was lower quarter of the league, then you shucked and jived all the way to implying that Coughlin's desire to run the ball well proves that you weren't wrong about something, but that something is unclear, as you've continually moved away from your original assertion that the defense was hung out to dry for 40 minutes per game.
What's next, you claiming that the defense has always been bad and the key to winning is holding the ball for 40 minutes per game with Fournette?
Quote:I didn't say that and never have. I would have preferred for him to have the added pressure of facing free agency after this season, but that decision has been made and we're moving forward. He's here, starting and likely will be into next season if not longer if he improves. I'll be cheering him on and hoping for that improvement. I won't be participating in the rewriting of history, however. It's like some didn't watch the games last year or their memory of them faded and they looked at the raw season stats to draw shaky conclusions.
You can realize that the largest share of the blame for what happened last year was his and still cheer him on this year. It isn't and doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. No one needs to come up with an excuse to cheer him and the team on which is what the constant apologizing for him by some appears to be. And no one needs to take personal offense at any deserved criticism lobbed at Bortles game last year, yet there's a few here that apparently do.
I wasn't referring to you.
It's just that the board seems to have a pitchfork and torches, silver bullet mentality when it comes to fixing this team.
Everything seems to get rolled into a single solution... as in "'x' has to go!" when there's an alphabet list of what's necessary to fix our overall situation.
For whatever reason... maybe it's fatigue of battling it so long, whatever the case... some are hoping to find the one thing, that silver bullet, that's going to solve everything.
Most of the time it comes in the form of one guy getting fired. Player, coach, GM... whoever. Some are already adding Coughlin is that newfound silver bullet, expecting him to magically put it all on his own shoulders, making
him into their bullet.
Finding out what we can get out of Blake and deciding how to proceed (with or without him) is what the club will be pursuing this season.
Whatever any fan has pre-conceived about it either way will have no impact on the outcome. That won't stop the "I told you so"s from happening from either side (depending on the outcome) when the dust settles. Unfortunately...
In spite of all the bloodletting on this board, I really believe that Gus Bradley left this team a lot better off than how he found it.
Consider the following. This is the average age and rank of the Jaguars the last three years.
2014 25.20 years of age (2nd youngest)
2015 25.25 years of age (2nd youngest)
2016 25.43 years of age (4th youngest)
Quite simply, the team is inexperienced. How many players are left from 2013? Maybe three?
Do you miss any of those players that left?
That roster was a train wreck.
Quote:In spite of all the bloodletting on this board, I really believe that Gus Bradley left this team a lot better off than how he found it.
Consider the following. This is the average age and rank of the Jaguars the last three years.
2014 25.20 years of age (2nd youngest)
2015 25.25 years of age (2nd youngest)
2016 25.43 years of age (4th youngest)
Quite simply, the team is inexperienced. How many players are left from 2013? Maybe three?
Do you miss any of those players that left?
That roster was a train wreck.
I agree, the team is much more talented than when Gus started, and that's why he had to be fired. When your talent continually increases and the performance stays down the coach needs to be replaced.
Gus was a great guy, but you know what they say about great guys.