Quote:Was roundly reported and one of the quotes of draft night, COUGHLIN comparing the two in their ability to be a home run guy and get the ball in the end zone.
Find the quote or stop claiming it.
All I've seen him say is that "the ONE thing they both did was put it in the end zone." That actually implies strongly that he sees numerous differences in their running styles.
You'll have to prove he actually compared Fournette to Taylor.
Quote:Find the quote or stop claiming it.
All I've seen him say is that "the ONE thing they both did was put it in the end zone." That actually implies strongly that he sees numerous differences in their running styles.
You'll have to prove he actually compared Fournette to Taylor.
You've already proven my point by not answering the question and you also just admitted TC made the comparison. Let's keep playing, coming out of college, scouts said the following about either Fred or LF, which one was it?
"Any question marks regarding X focus on his pass-catching skills (average, at best) and his ability to make tacklers miss (something he did infrequently until late last season)."
I hope so but I'm done believing the offseason hype. Show me first that's my approach
Quote:You've already proven my point by not answering the question and you also just admitted TC made the comparison. Let's keep playing, coming out of college, scouts said the following about either Fred or LF, which one was it?
"Any question marks regarding X focus on his pass-catching skills (average, at best) and his ability to make tacklers miss (something he did infrequently until late last season)."
Its a stupid question. You could make that list of generic descriptions about 20 different RBs that have come out of college since Fred Taylor.
I'm ignoring it because it's pointless. Not to mention the fact that scouting reports are very frequently wildly inaccurate.
Show me a quote of TC actually comparing LF to Fred besides "they both put it in the end zone." I'll wait.
Quote:Its a stupid question. You could make that list of generic descriptions about 20 different RBs that have come out of college since Fred Taylor.
I'm ignoring it because it's pointless. Not to mention the fact that scouting reports are very frequently wildly inaccurate.
Show me a quote of TC actually comparing LF to Fred besides "they both put it in the end zone." I'll wait.
You don't want to compare reports because you know that will expose the fact that they have very similar strengths, weaknesses and builds. Please don't go anywhere during the season, I will enjoy you realizing Fournette can actually make guys miss at the LOS and be a home run threat. Fournette will be getting 25 touches a game on this team for the foreseeable future. If you can't handle that I suggest the jets or Giants
Quote:You don't want to compare reports because you know that will expose the fact that they have very similar strengths, weaknesses and builds. Please don't go anywhere during the season, I will enjoy you realizing Fournette can actually make guys miss at the LOS and be a home run threat. Fournette will be getting 25 touches a game on this team for the foreseeable future. If you can't handle that I suggest the jets or Giants
What the hell are you babbling about now? I've been a Jags fan since before the franchise was awarded to the city. Simmer down with the lunacy of suggesting other teams to me. I drink my coffee every morning from a mug that still bears the team's "lawsuit logo."
I'm sorry I'm not a homer for your favorite RB and think you are a fool to not see the obvious differences in he and Fred's skill sets. But that's just how it will have to be.
No big deal.
I never said he didn't have home run ability, BTW. I actually stated the opposite early on in this exchange.
It's one of his greatest assets. If he gets three steps to gain a head of steam - he's deadly. Fred just didn't need those three steps so badly.
I hope the FB and revamped O-Line get LF those three steps on a regular basis and he breaks rookie rushing and scoring records.
I just recognize that he needs those three steps to break a big one most of the time.
Quote:What the hell are you babbling about now? I've been a Jags fan since before the franchise was awarded to the city. Simmer down with the lunacy of suggesting other teams to me. I drink my coffee every morning from a mug that still bears the team's "lawsuit logo."
I'm sorry I'm not a homer for your favorite RB and think you are a fool to not see the obvious differences in he and Fred's skill sets. But that's just how it will have to be.
No big deal.
I never said he didn't have home run ability, BTW. I actually stated the opposite early on in this exchange.
It's one of his greatest assets. If he gets three steps to gain a head of steam - he's deadly. Fred just didn't need those three steps so badly.
I hope the FB and revamped O-Line get LF those three steps on a regular basis and he breaks rookie rushing and scoring records.
I just recognize that he needs those three steps to break a big one most of the time.p
There were plenty of times in college where he created and was able to make guys miss immediately. You need to let the fans who were pleading for a Fournette enjoy their guy, sorry you wanted Watson, were TC not here he may have been the pick but it is what it is. I haven't been this excited about a Jaguars pick, maybe ever, the closest thing I can compare it to in my lifetime was when my Caps got Ovechkin. Yes, I think he can be that good. He'll be your favorite RB too, by week 3 or sooner.
Quote:There were plenty of times in college where he created and was able to make guys miss immediately. You need to let the fans who were pleading for a Fournette enjoy their guy, sorry you wanted Watson, were TC not here he may have been the pick but it is what it is. I haven't been this excited about a Jaguars pick, maybe ever, the closest thing I can compare it to in my lifetime was when my Caps got Ovechkin. Yes, I think he can be that good. He'll be your favorite RB too, by week 3 or sooner.
Wrong again. I liked Davis Webb in the third if they were to take a QB.
I'm glad the tinhorns drafted that guy. Our secondary should eat him alive.
Fournette was high on my list. He just wasn't at the top.
I'm happy with the Jags draft overall.
You can enjoy the pick all you want. I'm glad you are ecstatic.
You're just way off base comparing him to Fred and also claiming that Coughln did as well. He didn't. He was asked to compare them and then said they had one thing in common.
Quote:Wrong again. I liked Davis Webb in the third if they were to take a QB.
I'm glad the tinhorns drafted that guy. Our secondary should eat him alive.
Fournette was high on my list. He just wasn't at the top.
I'm happy with the Jags draft overall.
You can enjoy the pick all you want. I'm glad you are ecstatic.
You're just way off base comparing him to Fred and also claiming that Coughln did as well. He didn't. He was asked to compare them and then said they had one thing in common.
Speaking of wrong again, Davis Webb sucks. What would you have done at four then? Also just watched 15 minutes or Taylor footage, it reaffirmed both my comparison with LF and my belief that he belongs in the HOF. Just an unreal talent and a magician with the football. I don't know how any long time Jags fan doesn't see the comparison off jump
Quote:Speaking of wrong again, Davis Webb sucks. What would you have done at four then? Also just watched 15 minutes or Taylor footage, it reaffirmed both my comparison with LF and my belief that he belongs in the HOF. Just an unreal talent and a magician with the football. I don't know how any long time Jags fan doesn't see the comparison off jump
The entire QB class was underwhelming, but I think he was a worthy option in the third round.
I'd have taken the best remaining D-Lineman at 4. Adams also made some sense there. But I'm cool with the LF pick.
But alas, I can't waste any more time indulging your homerism.
I'm glad you love the pick, but you've allowed that love to blind you. I'm done entertaining your skewed perspective.
Moving on...
I could see this team getting hot and stringing some wins together.. But I also see Blake Bortles as the starting QB, and he is not very good. It all hinges on him and the O line, it really does. I think 4-6 wins is the most ideal outcome for this team right now, and we are very talented. We will get our QB next year if my prediction comes true, and we can then talk about really winning games.
Blake is a sub 58% passer, he has terrible mechanics and it may be a career long fight for him to correct it. He also need to work on his decision making in a big way(turnovers) in order to be considered a decent NFL QB. I think his ceiling can be an average NFL QB, and that is more than enough to win 10 games a year with a very good supporting cast(see Houston), which we should have this year.
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Quote:The entire QB class was underwhelming, but I think he was a worthy option in the third round.
I'd have taken the best remaining D-Lineman at 4. Adams also made some sense there. But I'm cool with the LF pick.
But alas, I can't waste any more time indulging your homerism.
I'm glad you love the pick, but you've allowed that love to blind you. I'm done entertaining your skewed perspective.
Moving on...
It has been entertaining to be sure. Looking forward to the Fournette era in Duval, amongst the others guys we picked up, should be a drastic difference in the product on he field. I would have been ok with Adams or Jon Allen with Dalvin Cook in the 2nd, but Fournette was the home run pick at that spot. Kudos to TC, I think he crushed his first draft back.
Quote:I could see this team getting hot and stringing some wins together.. But I also see Blake Bortles as the starting QB, and he is not very good. It all hinges on him and the O line, it really does. I think 4-6 wins is the most ideal outcome for this team right now, and we are very talented. We will get our QB next year if my prediction comes true, and we can then talk about really winning games.
Blake is a sub 58% passer, he has terrible mechanics and it may be a career long fight for him to correct it. He also need to work on his decision making in a big way(turnovers) in order to be considered a decent NFL QB. I think his ceiling can be an average NFL QB, and that is more than enough to win 10 games a year with a very good supporting cast(see Houston), which we should have this year.
TLR Blake needs to do a lot of thing right this year(and The OL) in order for us to win 10 games.
4-6 wins would be a disaster and the end of Dave Caldwell and Marrone
The over/under for total wins for the Jaguars is 5.5 as of April 30th in Las Vegas.
Quote:The over/under for total wins for the Jaguars is 5.5 as of April 30th in Las Vegas.
I'd put a bill on the over without hesitation.
I'm not going to get into a debate of whether we win this many games or that many games.. I have my personal opinion..
BUT, if you find yourself wanting to make bold predictions for or against our win record, just remember one thing:
It's still only May.
Quote:4-6 wins would be a disaster and the end of Dave Caldwell and Marrone
Maybe so, and that is how this thing is playing out. Blake is married to the last regime, and Marrone/Caldwell/Wash are all a part of it. I would hate to see Caldwell go, he has brought us some serious talent and no GM bats 1000. He had every opportunity while here to bring anybody in here to compete rather then let no chance Henne back up Blake. If Blake fizzles out this year and we win 4-6 games I wouldn't be surprised to see TC and Kahn go for a clean sweep of the organization from Caldwell/Marrone on down. I don't even think the water boys will be safe.
BUT, there is hope. I think Blake wants to be great, you can tell by how he works and the frustration he exhibits on the field. If he can sure up his decision making a little, and clean up the mechanics he can be a Big Ben type guy. Not elite, but slightly over average. With this team and a decent Qb, we can win some games(more than 4-6). It all comes down to Blake.
He hates that he is balding tho
Baby steps. I am expecting 7 to 8 wins with a healthy roster for most of the year. If some other injuries occur within the division we might be looking at 9 or 10 wins.
But I wouldn't hold my breath if you told me this team can produce double digit wins in 2017. Just don't see it yet. There's two key variables to why I feel this why. First being. Blake Bortles. Can he improve his accuracy, cut back on his mistakes and sustain winning and successful drives consistently?
And secondly. How does the coaching staff and defense respond in the event that Blake does indeed step up as mentioned above? All of a sudden some of these opposing quarterbacks and coordinators may become more creative and challenging to a youthful defense overall.
It'll be an interesting year progression wise. That's for sure. But I'd aim for double digit wins MAYBE in 2018. At least on paper this year this seems to be a pretty cream puff schedule. I just don't want to see any slumps and bonehead mistakes. Just look like a damn football team for once.