Quote:I brought the Dockett thing up....Once. You are the one who responded to it and made a mountain out of a mole hill on something I got a chuckle from. The comment is akin to one prostitute telling another prostitute that she's a dirty sloot, and I find that hilarious.The Dockett issue (question and comment) was never a racial thing, it was something I found hilarious because he is commenting on someone who is a dirty player. It's funny, other people get it, other people always get it, except you. Proof in the pudding here, again.
I have already said, in this thread, that Incognito is a turd of a human being. He has been for a long time now. I already said the racist comments were unnecessary. What more do you want?
I get what you are saying, you just dont like my reasoning for disagreeing with you which is nothing new.
Quote:Ehh. I hate whenever I writer dismisses something because it doens't fit the narrative they are trying to establish. He excludes Tannehill's support of Incognito as him only sticking up for him because of his value on the football field. We still don't know a heck of a lot about the situation in the lockerroom and everyone seems to be acting as if all the facts have come out.
I think we're going to see a lot of info that paints that whole lockerroom, including Jonathan Martin, in a bad light.
Tannehill was far from the only one to support. Their were many who are. Wallace, Clabo, Hartline, McKinnie, Wake., etc.
Quote:I get what you are saying, you just dont like my reasoning for disagreeing with you which is nothing new.
What exactly is your reasoning?
Quote:Ultimately, if the Dolphins' locker room promotes this atmosphere and Incognito took advantage of it and utilized it as many others have, then how can we single-out Incognito for something that his teammates have deemed acceptable?
Incognito is 100% responsible for his own actions, alone. :yes:
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Yup. I can see Philbin, or his O-Line coach saying,"Hey, let's motivate this guy, let's toughen him up". That doesn't give him carte blanche to do whatever he wants to do.
Quote:What exactly is your reasoning?
We see things from different POV. And I'm not willing to conform to your suggestive beliefs.
Quote:Yup. I can see Philbin, or his O-Line coach saying,"Hey, let's motivate this guy, let's toughen him up". That doesn't give him carte blanche to do whatever he wants to do.
Motivation through ridicule just seems so ... unhelpful? Hard to get someone motivated that hates coming to work.
Now here is something I think the NFLPA, and the NFL should do (CBA Change). In a case where both sides agree that a hostile workplace has unduly (or other worthy situations) affected a player by a situation within the team they play for, there should be a rule that allows that player to be traded (after the deadline) to another team. Martin should not have to go back to the Dolphins, but he shouldn't be able to pick his team either. The league (NFLPA/Owners) should be the ones to choose the best offer for the trade itself.
Or something like that. This may be the one, and only situation that would invoke such a trade, but Martin, and his future should no longer be at the mercy of the Dolphins orginization.
Quote:Tannehill was far from the only one to support. Their were many who are. Wallace, Clabo, Hartline, McKinnie, Wake., etc.
I know, my point was that Whitlock dismissed Tannehill's support of Incognito.
Quote:Or something like that. This may be the one, and only situation that would invoke such a trade, but Martin, and his future should no longer be at the mercy of the Dolphins orginization.
To expand, and ask a question (actually this should be it's own thread).
What should happen to Martin? Is he simply not going to play again? This year? .... I am open to ideas to discuss, and would find it interesting to see what ideas some other posters could come up with.
What does the NFL/NFLPA do for Martin? No way should the Dolphins keep the right to his future. ... Right? ... What do others think?
Quote:To expand, and ask a question (actually this should be it's own thread).
What should happen to Martin? Is he simply not going to play again? This year? .... I am open to ideas to discuss, and would find it interesting to see what ideas some other posters could come up with.
What does the NFL/NFLPA do for Martin? No way should the Dolphins keep the right to his future. ... Right? ... What do others think?
I think there's zero chance he plays for the Miami. I do think he'll eventually be picked up by a team, but he's not that good of a player. Add in the fact that a locker room probably won't trust him, I don't think he's long for the NFL.
Wasn't Martin also benched right before he left the team too?
Quote:I think there's zero chance he plays for the Miami. I do think he'll eventually be picked up by a team, but he's not that good of a player. Add in the fact that a locker room probably won't trust him, I don't think he's long for the NFL.
Wasn't Martin also benched right before he left the team too?
So the 33rd team will write his check? What city do "The Lawsuits" call home field?
Quote:Ehh. I hate whenever I writer dismisses something because it doens't fit the narrative they are trying to establish. He excludes Tannehill's support of Incognito as him only sticking up for him because of his value on the football field. We still don't know a heck of a lot about the situation in the lockerroom and everyone seems to be acting as if all the facts have come out.
I think we're going to see a lot of info that paints that whole lockerroom, including Jonathan Martin, in a bad light.
I think there's a difference in not dogging a player and supporting them. These guys are supporting Incognito. I'd imagine, like anyone else, if they thought poorly of him that they would simply avoid the topic all together. They're coming out to show support.
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I agree.
My point was that we don't know where and who set the boundaries on their relationship.
Quote:We see things from different POV. And I'm not willing to conform to your suggestive beliefs.
So you don't answer the question? Cool. Then you spew bull. Nice.
Quote:I know, my point was that Whitlock dismissed Tannehill's support of Incognito.
Oh I know, was just throwing some names out there.
A college teammate of mine posted this to facebook about 5 hours ago. Well said, and well written. Great guy who took a commission after graduation. Has 5 kids and is a phenomenal person.
"Any football player will tell you that the locker room is an extension of the football field. Your manhood is tested in the locker room. Actions in the locker room are litmus tests to determine whether or not one can go to war with you on the field. Once you pass the locker room tests, you have brothers for life. I don't agree with what happened in Miami to Martin, but as a survivor of the locker room tests, I wouldn't be honest if I say I agree with how Martin handled it. It does show a lack of leadership it takes to govern the locker room in Miami."
Quote:So you don't answer the question? Cool. Then you spew bull. Nice.
Nah, I answered your question, the response is not to your liking.
Then I "spew bull". Here we go again.
Leadership without capable trustworthy leaders is just another case of the inmates running the asylum...
Quote:Leadership without capable trustworthy leaders is just another case of the inmates running the asylum...
Excellent point. It's more likely than not going to lead to yet another housecleaning in Miami.
Quote:Nah, I answered your question, the response is not to your liking.
Then I "spew bull". Here we go again.
No sir, there was never an answer to the question.