Quote:Homer. 
Seriously though, if you don't completely spazz out one way or the other, you're a homer in the book of a bibber. If the team is 0-5, you are not allowed any projection or any big picture look at WHY the team is in that spot. You had better start spazzing mister. Just as soon as the team becomes a contender, you must trade the diapers for pom-poms and cheer like you were a die hard all along. 
Listen dude, I listened to your kind ra ra ra during the whole Gene Smith era and preach a patient and act like nobody should be concerned for the health of the team. If you want to keep the bibber act up then just go ahead.
I will say that most of the people that you and the others on here called "bibbers" were right and the "homers" were wrong.
I'm on the fence and will not praise any move until I see results that are positive for this team. It is a fact there are very very few positives on this team right now. bibber that
Best part of the article was probably this:
Perhaps the most symbolic change is that Caldwell's office is now next to the upbeat head coach he hired, Gus Bradley. Caldwell said that was Khan's idea, with the hope of promoting better communication between two of the most important people in the organization, and Caldwell was immediately on board because it reflected his own beliefs.
Also not sure what people wanted him to do at QB. People keep calling him out for it -- and... really I think his approach can't be judged until we see the QB he does take. It's not like the QB's available were worth a whole lot.
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Making a 2-14 actually worse is not a good way to start his career here unless he planned on tanking before this season got started. He Knew we didn't have a QB and decided to ride it out with Henne/gabbs.
I don't know what his thought process was but we are in the worst shape this franchise has been in right now. I don't think he did nearly enough to help this team be successful this season.
When you read the phrase "committed to building through the draft" over and over again in all of the articles about Caldwell - what in the world did you think that meant??
LOL. It's not a quick fix, man. If you are gonna actually build through the draft and the former GM left you with a bunch of overpaid/underproductive FAs and a handful of draft busts - it has to get worse before it gets better. That's where they're at.
Quote:That same speech was said during the Gene Smith era.
The truth is IDK if Caldwell will be the guy to bring this franchise back up. It is alot to ask a fanbase who has already had to watch 6 poor seasons before to continue to be patient. Time will tell
So, basically you're saying you agree with me, but you still have to soil yourself over what transpired in the past 6 years where Caldwell wasn't even part of the equation. Understood. Try not to hurt yourself straddling the fence.
Quote:Best part of the article was probably this:
Perhaps the most symbolic change is that Caldwell's office is now next to the upbeat head coach he hired, Gus Bradley. Caldwell said that was Khan's idea, with the hope of promoting better communication between two of the most important people in the organization, and Caldwell was immediately on board because it reflected his own beliefs.
Also not sure what people wanted him to do at QB. People keep calling him out for it -- and... really I think his approach can't be judged until we see the QB he does take. It's not like the QB's available were worth a whole lot.
Geno is looking alot better then any Qb on our current roster and he was there in the 3rd round, Just saying :whistling:
Quote:When you read the phrase "committed to building through the draft" over and over again in all of the articles about Caldwell - what in the world did you think that meant??
LOL. It's not a quick fix, man. If you are gonna actually build through the draft and the former GM left you with a bunch of overpaid/underproductive FAs and a handful of draft busts - it has to get worse before it gets better. That's where they're at.
He'll never understand that they weren't building the team just for this season, and that this is a long-term process that's intended to build this team for years to come. He's never going to grasp that point.
Quote:So, basically you're saying you agree with me, but you still have to soil yourself over what transpired in the past 6 years where Caldwell wasn't even part of the equation. Understood. Try not to hurt yourself straddling the fence.
I am not agreeing with you. I'm just saying you and your buddies had the same old speeches before and we saw where that got us. You guys were having circle jerks about how great the team was and how well Gene was building the team. Enough of the crap.
Right now it's looking ugly, real ugly. There should be some concern with how pathetic this team is looking right now
Quote:Listen dude, I listened to your kind ra ra ra during the whole Gene Smith era and preach a patient and act like nobody should be concerned for the health of the team. If you want to keep the bibber act up then just go ahead.
I will say that most of the people that you and the others on here called "bibbers" were right and the "homers" were wrong.
I'm on the fence and will not praise any move until I see results that are positive for this team. It is a fact there are very very few positives on this team right now. bibber that
Sorry dude.....
I don't recall talking to you.... If you think I'm talking about you, that's your problem, not mine. You can feel any damn way you want to about the Jags. You don't tend to hide those views anyway, so don't get so uppity if someone doesn't share your view.
I, for one, put my faith in the team. I don't sit here and tell the team what they should do to get better. I let the guys that get paid for that sort of thing do their jobs. Either they do or they don't. I don't get too worried about it. What remains constant through it all is that I am loyal to the Jags.
Don't you wish your love for your team wasn't so unconditional?
Think about that, dude.,,,,,,
Quote:He'll never understand that they weren't building the team just for this season, and that this is a long-term process that's intended to build this team for years to come. He's never going to grasp that point.
You can build through the draft and have a fast turn around with Free agency. Both is true.
Again asking a fanbase watch this pathetic team on the field for a few more years until said draft picks develop is a lot to ask.
Again we have seen your track record and judgement. Pathetic.
Quote:Sorry dude.....
I don't recall talking to you.... If you think I'm talking about you, that's your problem, not mine. You can feel any damn way you want to about the Jags. You don't tend to hide those views anyway, so don't get so uppity if someone doesn't share your view.
I, for one, put my faith in the team. I don't sit here and tell the team what they should do to get better. I let the guys that get paid for that sort of thing do their jobs. Either they do or they don't. I don't get too worried about it. What remains constant through it all is that I am loyal to the Jags.
Don't you wish your love for your team wasn't so unconditional?
Think about that, dude.,,,,,,
Other words a blind homer. Got you.
I think I like my stance better. I can be a hardcore fan and criticize the team at the same time. It works
I see both sides the good and the bad and don't sugar coat everything
Quote:Other words a blind homer. Got you.
I think I like my stance better. I can be a hardcore fan and criticize the team at the same time. It works
I see both sides the good and the bad and don't sugar coat everything
Do you honestly think you have ANY influence over what the team is going to do by your posts on this forum? If so, TMD's ego needs to make room for another delusional fan.
You don't like Dakota's position, so it's wrong. In actuality, he's being a realistic fan, and you're being a narcissistic buffoon.
Quote:Geno is looking alot better then any Qb on our current roster and he was there in the 3rd round, Just saying :whistling:
Are you such a knucklehead that you don't even know what you're saying?
Maybe you can tell us all which pick in the third round the Jags could have traded up to to take Smith.....
If you want to sound smart, try being smart first.
Just saying... :whistling:
Quote:You can build through the draft and have a fast turn around with Free agency. Both is true.
Again asking a fanbase watch this pathetic team on the field for a few more years until said draft picks develop is a lot to ask.
Again we have seen your track record and judgement. Pathetic.
Again, either you're just woefully ignorant, or you've chosen to ignore facts. Which is it?
The front office has been clear that they're building through the draft. Never once mentioned building through free agency, or using it to turn things around quickly because that's not the approach they've chosen.
Once again, the narcissist in you is popping out. Nobody is asking you do to anything against your will. They're not holding a gun to your head and forcing you to do anything. So, if you don't like it, you're more than welcome to find another team that does things the way you prefer. I can assure you, we'd hardly notice the departure.
Yes, it's pathetic to allow someone opportunity to prove themselves to be effective or not. It's far less pathetic to pre-judge someone before you've actually had a chance to view the end product.
Premature is probably a word used quite often where you're concerned based on how you whine around here.
Quote:Geno is looking alot better then any Qb on our current roster and he was there in the 3rd round, Just saying :whistling:
I think you mean 2nd round. I wanted Geno Smith too. Especially when he fell to the secondround. He's better than any QB on our current roster. Will you be able to say the same in two years from now? Let's not forget that Mark Sanchez had some success with the Jets as well. Time will tell how Geno Smith will do.
Quote:I am not agreeing with you. I'm just saying you and your buddies had the same old speeches before and we saw where that got us. You guys were having circle jerks about how great the team was and how well Gene was building the team. Enough of the crap.
Right now it's looking ugly, real ugly. There should be some concern with how pathetic this team is looking right now
You admitted you don't know if Caldwell is the guy to turn things around. Clearly you're not smart enough to recognize that you're basically agreeing with my point about being patient. I'd try to post this in Crayola to allow you to grasp the concept, but it's far more entertaining to watch you repeatedly show the world just how clueless you are. Keep flailing.
Quote:There are some here who are pre-programmed to hate every move this franchise makes, especially if it doesn't involve signing an overpriced, over hyped free agent they want. They don't have the patience to allow anything to develop. If there's not instant gratification, they complain incessantly.
This rebuilding process is going to be interesting to watch. But, it requires people to set realistic expectations for where the team will be now, in the next few months, a year from now, and 5 years out. I didn't anticipate them being very good this year. I'm certainly disappointed in the perfect game we're pitching currently, but I can tolerate it knowing good things are coming.
I tend to like the approach they're taking. It's not the quick fix some here would prefer. But, it's an approach that allows them to build the team for the long haul to succeed. If their moves pan out, the naysayers will have less and less to whine about until they're relegated to complaining about the lack of glitter in the uniforms. If the approach and the evaluation process Caldwell is following prove to be the right ones for this organization, they won't have much more to get angry about.
I don't necessarily disagree with the above, but it isn't like the naysayers have been wrong the last 6 years. Those who have hated all the moves up to this point have been more right then those who have defended this franchise up to this point.
Quote:I don't necessarily disagree with the above, but it isn't like the naysayers have been wrong the last 6 years. Those who have hated all the moves up to this point have been more right then those who have defended this franchise up to this point.
Mostly true - but it has absolutely zero to do with Caldwell.
Quote:Mostly true - but it has absolutely zero to do with Caldwell.
Agreed. But Caldwell has made some questionable moves. Not getting a RT in a strong RT free agency and also seems like he traded Monroe without really testing the market. I think you can reasonably criticize him for some moves up to this point. I'm willing to give 2-3 years depending on how next years draft and free agency goes.
Quote: also seems like he traded Monroe without really testing the market.
A couple of tweets from various writers doesn't tell the whole tale. I think it's silly to think that you know how it went down.
I'll wait to criticize.
Quote:I don't necessarily disagree with the above, but it isn't like the naysayers have been wrong the last 6 years. Those who have hated all the moves up to this point have been more right then those who have defended this franchise up to this point.
It's irrelevant who was ultimately right. You still have to allow things to play themselves out before you can judge whether one GM or coach is right or not. You can't simply start out demanding he satisfy your wants as a fan on a message board, and if he doesn't, you'll howl constantly that he should be fired.
People who expected this team to be any better than it has been, and they're already trying to portray the coach or GM as being on the hot seat don't have the football IQ to recognize what they inherited, or what their approach is to fixing what ails this franchise. All they know how to do is complain regardless of what move is made. They refuse to allow something to work itself out to an ultimate conclusion. What if Caldwell's approach gives us 7-9 wins next year, and a playoff berth in year 3? Those same naysayers will continue to complain.
And about those naysayers. They crucified Shack Harris, but the team had 2 playoff appearances during his tenure, so he wasn't necessarily as bad as some here tried to portray him to be. When he was fired, many of them actually celebrated the promotion of Gene Smith. That turned out to be a terrible decision because the guy was a great scout, but not equipped to be the person making all the decisions.
We don't know what we've got yet with Caldwell. Time will tell. But, the one thing that will remain consistent regardless of whether he's successful or not is that the vast majority of the naysayers will continue to find things to complain about because that's just who they are. They use complaining to draw attention to themselves. Anyone who exudes a positive attitude, or preaches patience is labeled a homer.