Quote:Bullseye, go ahead and blame it on something other than their own performance just like Gus has trained you to do. You have no idea what you're talking about and everyone here knows it.
Uh, David - Bullseye has a 1000% more credibility than you've ever dreamed of having.
As a matter of fact - I'd say you're in the Byron LeftTown category - and that ain't good.
Quote:Refs should be full time positions and paid appropriately. For an entity like the NFL, it is past time that they have an evaluation system.
What makes you think the NFL doesn't have an evaluation system for officials?
Full time officials? Someone please explain what they would do.
Do you mean eight hours a day, fifty two weeks a year? Really, what would they do for the seven months out of season? Study film? lol
The main gripe I hear re officials' calls are, say, pass interference - i.e., very large, fast humans colliding - then we expect a perfect call. Then we watch a replay, in slow motion (at about a frame a minute) and still have a 50/50 opinion, depending on which team you are a fan of.
Challenges and replay help, but going full time I think is a false hope. If you can't live with human error I suggest you not watch football.
Do you see the Ohio State - Michigan game? Yet, I don't hear a cry for full-time officials for college ball.
Quote:What makes you think the NFL doesn't have an evaluation system for officials?
Full time officials? Someone please explain what they would do.
Do you mean eight hours a day, fifty two weeks a year? Really, what would they do for the seven months out of season? Study film? lol
The main gripe I hear re officials' calls are, say, pass interference - i.e., very large, fast humans colliding - then we expect a perfect call. Then we watch a replay, in slow motion (at about a frame a minute) and still have a 50/50 opinion, depending on which team you are a fan of.
Challenges and replay help, but going full time I think is a false hope. If you can't live with human error I suggest you not watch football.
Do you see the Ohio State - Michigan game? Yet, I don't hear a cry for full-time officials for college ball.
In parts of the off-season, Full Time officials can help put on football clinics and help the NFL do more additional outreach in communities. Including in schools.
Being that coaches and players have full time jobs in preparing for NFL games, if the officials aren't doing the same, it's hard to envision their performance level measuring up to the standards expected of the coaches and players.
Quote:Bullseye, go ahead and blame it on something other than their own performance just like Gus has trained you to do. You have no idea what you're talking about and everyone here knows it.
Bullseye is one of the most knowledgeable and credible participants on this and any NFL Forum.
Quote: In parts of the off-season, Full Time officials can help put on football clinics and help the NFL do more additional outreach in communities. Including in schools.
Being that coaches and players have full time jobs in preparing for NFL games, if the officials aren't doing the same, it's hard to envision their performance level measuring up to the standards expected of the coaches and players.
^^ This
The point of full time referees is to have them apply the rules more "uniformly" and with "consensus". I understand human error and don't have a problem with that element of the game. I want our team to play above their floor level right now and take the decisions away from one or two calls a game. You can still win without getting all the calls and that is what I want our team to do.
Quote:Gus still manages time outs bad at the end of games. Still. Not saying that is why we lost. Why do we also always give up points at the end of the first half. We gave up two tds to the bills in a span of less than 5 minutes. That is why you lose.
Tweet from Eugene Frenette (@GeneFrenette) - Bradley says he regrets not calling timeout before delay-of-game penalty that hurt last scoring chance. #Jaguars
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/GeneFrenette/status/803308512226971649'>https://twitter.com/GeneFrenette/status/803308512226971649</a>
Quote:Tweet from Eugene Frenette (@GeneFrenette) - Bradley says he regrets not calling timeout before delay-of-game penalty that hurt last scoring chance. #Jaguars
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/GeneFrenette/status/803308512226971649'>https://twitter.com/GeneFrenette/status/803308512226971649</a>
Did you see this knarnn?
Gus being asked about why he called a timeout on 4th and 1 in the first half.
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/MadeByTim/status/803262425000656896?s=09'>https://twitter.com/MadeByTim/status/803262425000656896?s=09</a>
Bullseye is as accurate as the main stream medias coverage of the past election. He throws in a few frivolous stats that weight heavily in his favor and sucker season ticket holders jump on his band wagon because there might be ice cream at the bottom of the cliff.. Don't believe his Kool-Aid drown agenda.
Quote:Bullseye is as accurate as the main stream medias coverage of the past election. He throws in a few frivolous stats that weight heavily in his favor and sucker season ticket holders jump on his band wagon because there might be ice cream at the bottom of the cliff.. Don't believe his Kool-Aid drown agenda.
So what are you here for?
Quote:Bullseye is as accurate as the main stream medias coverage of the past election. He throws in a few frivolous stats that weight heavily in his favor and sucker season ticket holders jump on his band wagon because there might be ice cream at the bottom of the cliff.. Don't believe his Kool-Aid drown agenda.
You must be one of Alfie's acolytes.
Quote:Now whatever slim hopes we had of avoiding a losing season are officially gone. My thoughts...
1. I have no problems admitting the Jaguars are not a very good team. Anyone who has read my posts this year can attest to this. In the picks thread in the AFCS forum, I picked the Bills to win this game. But my ire is reserved for easily the most deserving unit: the officials. The disparate treatment of the two teams by the officials offends traditional notions of fair play and without question cost the Jaguars this game. This was the most egregiously anti Jaguars officiating seen since the opening week game, where-after the fact- the NFL acknowledged some 16 blown calls that all went against the Jaguars. The first half fumble that was conveniently ruled down due to forward progress was bad enough on its own. But there were other equally egregious applications of the rules that cost the team in the second half. The first was a pass interference call that negated Gipson's INT. There were two things that made that call particularly bad. First, there was virtually no contact on the play. Secondly, the pass was clearly uncatchable, as it was overthrown by several yards. The receiver didn't even bother to jump for the ball. As bad as that penalty was, it was made even worse by the P.I. NOT called when Allen Robinson was absolutely mauled by the Bills DB later in the half. Combined, the selective application/enforcement of the pass interference "rules" leaves me to wonder if there is actually any written rule on that subject at all. It seems to me officials have the liberty to apply it as they see fit, depending on the outcome they want. Finally, I'm mystified as to how a player who first steps out of bounds and then is knocked out of bounds completely does not trigger a stoppage of the clock, which cost the Jaguars their last time out. The NFL has, once again, surrendered any and all pretense of objectivity with the horrid officiating witnessed today. Even the Bills fans are admitting we got screwed. http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthrea...the-screws
2. While Bortles' stats will seem pedestrian, to me this was one of the three best games he had this year. This game, the Indy game, and the week one game against the Packers are the three games where he looked like Bortles from last year throwing the ball. Bortles seemed confident and decisive in his throws, and they didn't seem to flutter hopelessly as they had so many times this season. Had Hurns held onto a deep pass down the sideline, combined with the penalties outlined above, this game could have had a different outcome.
3. It's too bad Ivory got hurt, because when he was in, the running game performed well, almost running at will. Yeldon and Robinson had some decent runs, and Bortles' scrambles certainly bolstered the offense overall and rushing stats. But his fumble aside, Ivory had this running game going. I hope he is okay. We will need his physicality the next couple of weeks.
4. I have to give kudos to the defense, especially in the first half. That was one of the most impressive displays of football overall this side of the ball had in years. They stifled one of the best rushing offenses and generated plenty of pass rush. Even Tyson Alualu made his presence known in some positive ways in the first half. The second half, the team was hit with some big plays. In post game, FT placed blame on McCoy's long run on Gipson and Ramsey, and naturally I defer to his analysis over mine, but it appeared to me Alualu also bears some responsibility by being moved out of his gap. The scoreboard shows 28 points surrendered, but overall the defense played well.
5. There were good contributions made by some backups, especially on the offensive side. Koyack, Sterling, and Reed all played pretty well against a pretty good defense. Yeldon and Denard Robinson also had their moments.
6. Once again, special teams play hurt this team in a major way. The long punt return allowed set up the Bills first TD right before half. There were two different illegal formation penalties on the punt cover team that gave the Bills 10 more yards, and the mishandling of punts continued. When the book is closed on the Bradley era here, a major chapter on his failures needs to be devoted to the special teams.
7. Rookie Watch:
A) Jalen Ramsey-had a couple of impressive tackles in run support early, but was beaten for a TD (maybe two), and also on a deep pass to Watkins. On the Watkins play, he had good coverage, but was pushed off at the end on another play conveniently missed by the refs.
B) Myles Jack-Seemed to get good playing time. He stuck out to me on a couple of plays. He was at Sam on the left side of the defense and held up pretty well at the point of attack. On another play, he contained a scramble by Tyrod Taylor. Many have been saying this all year, but he needs more playing time.
C) Yannick Ngakoue-Had an outstanding game against a good LT in Cordy Glenn. He beat Glenn for a sack in the first half, and had a couple of other pressures.
D) Sheldon Day-did not stand out much to me
E) Brandon Allen-DNP
8. After being ejected from the Raiders game, Malik Jackson said he will apologize to his teammates by his play. He has kept his word, because since then he has played some very good football, especially over the past two weeks. Today, IIRC, he registered a sack. Dante Fowler had a decent showing as well, getting some pressure and, for the 2nd week in a row, no stupid penalties.
9. Speaking of stupid penalties, was anyone else ready to explode had the defense jumped off sides this week when Manuel was in the game?
10. Bottom line: This team has been so bad for so long, I've been numb to ambivalent after many of the losses. But this game left me particularly rankled, because overall the team played well. Ultimately, the officiating and not so special teams betrayed this team again.
Excellent analysis as usual Bullseye and I agree, especially with point #10. Overall I think both the offense and the defense played a pretty good game.
One thing that really stood out to me yesterday was Bortles' play. He actually looked better than he has all season. Also Ivory was having a pretty good game before leaving with the injury.
Quote:If that fumble ant that INT are allowed to stand, what is the analysis then?
That a better coached version of this team might have won. Come on man, Gus cant get it done, hes proven over and over that the only thing he is good at is losing. If this was one game out of a winning or even close to winning season I could see it. But the reason we dont get benefit of the doubt calls is cause we aren't good enough to get em.
I agree with most of your analysis, but in the end, it doesnt matter. We have to be better to get treated better. And the officials and everyone in the league knows we are a terribly underperforming club with a dead man walking at coach. No reason to throw us bones there. We aren't cinderellas.
Quote:Tweet from Eugene Frenette (@GeneFrenette) - Bradley says he regrets not calling timeout before delay-of-game penalty that hurt last scoring chance. #Jaguars
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/GeneFrenette/status/803308512226971649'>https://twitter.com/GeneFrenette/status/803308512226971649</a>
I'm pretty sure that he has regrets in all of the other 44 losses too.
Quote: In parts of the off-season, Full Time officials can help put on football clinics and help the NFL do more additional outreach in communities. Including in schools.
Being that coaches and players have full time jobs in preparing for NFL games, if the officials aren't doing the same, it's hard to envision their performance level measuring up to the standards expected of the coaches and players.
Clinics and outreach are all well and good, but how does that make them better officials and get people to stop with the conspiracy theories?
And that's a
lot of clinics and outreach.
Quote:That a better coached version of this team might have won. Come on man, Gus cant get it done, hes proven over and over that the only thing he is good at is losing. If this was one game out of a winning or even close to winning season I could see it. But the reason we dont get benefit of the doubt calls is cause we aren't good enough to get em.
I agree with most of your analysis, but in the end, it doesnt matter. We have to be better to get treated better. And the officials and everyone in the league knows we are a terribly underperforming club with a dead man walking at coach. No reason to throw us bones there. We aren't cinderellas.
None of this addresses the particular issue being here though. The way a game is called should not be impacted by who's playing nor coaching. Buffalo gets bent over regularly by the refs also.
We're talking about a substantial number of egregious, game changing penalties that weren't called. We aren't talking about questionable, could-go-either-way ones...and he's right. No team should have to go out and have to play both their scheduled opponent and the zebras. Frankly, the refs set that precedent in week 1. Hell, it's almost like the zebras got maD Caldwell put them on blast and are getting even.
Regardless, I don't know why some people in this thread are coming for Bullseye. All dude does is be respectful, share his perspective and impart some knowledge along the way. We suck. We all know this but seriously, find a more constructive way to vent your frustration.
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2. While Bortles' stats will seem pedestrian, to me this was one of the three best games he had this year. This game, the Indy game, and the week one game against the Packers are the three games where he looked like Bortles from last year throwing the ball. Bortles seemed confident and decisive in his throws, and they didn't seem to flutter hopelessly as they had so many times this season. Had Hurns held onto a deep pass down the sideline, combined with the penalties outlined above, this game could have had a different outcome.
He looks much more comfortable and confident. Bortles was decisive and knew where to attack the defense. Even his motion has tightened up. A few throws were still bad because of poor footwork.
One thing I have noticed is the reluctance to attack the middle and seams. Why do you think this is? Hackett not having confidence in Bortles going over the middle or Bortles actively avoiding it? I for sure thought they would use Sterling to attack the middle 8-15 yds against the shorter and not so athletic Bills LBs.
Quote:You must be one of Alfie's acolytes.
The irony in this statement is that in all of the years Alfie and I have posted on this board, he has never come at me like this guy. We've had the occasional disagreement-most notably over whether scouting a DT meant we were switching to a 3-4-but nothing even close to this, to the point I've openly wondered about this board's antipathy towards him.
You guys know I welcome and encourage debate, and expect to be called out if I am amiss., even if it takes some convincing.
Quote:Excellent analysis as usual Bullseye and I agree, especially with point #10. Overall I think both the offense and the defense played a pretty good game.
One thing that really stood out to me yesterday was Bortles' play. He actually looked better than he has all season. Also Ivory was having a pretty good game before leaving with the injury.
Thanks.
I am wondering how much of the Bortles good game vibe is attributable to his running and how much to his passing.
I think he looked better throwing the ball.