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Quote:Now the floodgates open.....

 

Caldwell is looking foolish and novice-like. 

 

Surely you jest. 

Quote:Seems like a couple teams after the fact are saying they're willing to part with higher draft picks. Easy to say you'd part with something when you don't need to prove it.

Exactly.


They can say anything now. If the offers were truly better than the Baltimore deal, there's no doubt Monroe would be playing elsewhere today. The lemmings who do nothing but bash every move this team makes because that's all they know to do have pounced on this as if the reports are unquestionably true so they can portray Caldwell as being clueless. It's what they do.

Ozzie owes us one....we'll see if we ever get a solid in return....

 

probably not....thats how he rolls. 

Quote:Regardless of the rumors the fact still remains that Caldwell never shopped Monroe and hastily moved him like a rookie G.M. Very reminiscent of Gene Smith and his dopey moves. Almost four weeks until the trade deadline plus we had another out aka franchise tag. But hey, lets not take that into consideration being that the Jags never make a bad move and every move they have ever made has been proven to be for the greater good of the organization. It's not possible for Caldwell to make a bad move, I have to stand behind him 100 percent because anything Jaguar is a move I support.

And there's some way to know with absolute certainty that trading Monroe was a bad move today?


You have no more of a clue than anyone else, but feel free to gristle over the trade to stoke your personal discontent.

Quote:Same usual suspects ignoring logic.

 

 

Actually, thats not true. There have been reports that he contacted the Steelers, Cardinals, and Browns. So you grasping at straws here.

How am I grasping for straws? Four weeks dummy. Four weeks for some team to get desperate and ship a better package over to the Jags and somehow you have trouble grasping this concept. Stick to your Sunday morning cartoons little guy.

Quote:edit for childish false reporting by roycee

Lolololololol

If Caldwell didn't shop Monroe around and went with a quick "friendly" deal with Ozzie then I do have a problem with that. That's a bad business move any way you dice it. If Ozzie asks you of Monroe's availability and you're interested why wouldn't you ask the rest of the league and see if a better deal is available?

Quote:Lolololololol

 

Any other time someone pulls that lame stunt, its frowned upon on here. But since this time it was used to defendjaguars its okay....

Quote:If Caldwell didn't shop Monroe around and went with a quick "friendly" deal with Ozzie then I do have a problem with that. That's a bad business move any way you dice it. If Ozzie asks you of Monroe's availability and you're interested why wouldn't you ask the rest of the league and see if a better deal is available?

 

I agree 100%

Quote:How am I grasping for straws? Four weeks dummy. Four weeks for some team to get desperate and ship a better package over to the Jags and somehow you have trouble grasping this concept. Stick to your Sunday morning cartoons little guy.

 

Dummy? Insults are the last resort of people with a crumbling position trying to appear confident.

Quote:Exactly.


They can say anything now. If the offers were truly better than the Baltimore deal, there's no doubt Monroe would be playing elsewhere today. The lemmings who do nothing but bash every move this team makes because that's all they know to do have pounced on this as if the reports are unquestionably true so they can portray Caldwell as being clueless. It's what they do.

 

You're part of the lemming crew silly.

Quote:And there's some way to know with absolute certainty that trading Monroe was a bad move today?


You have no more of a clue than anyone else, but feel free to gristle over the trade to stoke your personal discontent.

I could flip the script and apply this statement to my point. Talk about hypocrisy.

 

Tell me this, what's the incentive of giving Monroe away for nothing and not waiting it out to see what comes to fruition?

Quote:Any other time someone pulls that lame stunt, its frowned upon on here. But since this time it was used to defendjaguars its okay....

He was making a point.

Quote:What's a good point?

That you don't upset other teams. It was rumored Gene Smith wasn't on good terms and struggled with trade downs. It's not far fetched in any way to think this happens, relationships with other teams personnel departments matter. You do not want to put yourself on bad terms with other teams in the league. Especially this early in Caldwell's tenure. If that happened remains to be seen but I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility.

Quote:He was making a point.

 

And TMD is mad because he helped prove his point.

Quote:edit for childish false reporting by roycee

 

 

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Any other time someone pulls that lame stunt, its frowned upon on here. But since this time it was used to defendjaguars its okay....

 

 

I didn't use it to defendjaguars, simply to point out how quickly people, such as yourself, just believe rumors. Which is exactly what La Canfora's "report" is...a rumor. 

 

At least Jinjo was a good sport about it. 

This arguing about "should've, would've, could've"  is just ridiculous.

 

I don't have a problem with trading Monroe because I felt he was extremely overrated on this board and struggled against premium pass rushers.  I just have a problem with the value.

 

A 4th and 5th round seems low for a good LT.  Monroe is a good LT but never is going to be great. 

 

I don't know how the trade went down or even if Ozzie pulled "I owe you one" deal.

 

The trade is done so lets just let it go.  Monroe was not making a difference for this team this year and probably not worth the money he would of wanted to resign him.

 

Jockel now moves to his natural position and next year we can either draft a player or sign a FA to play RT.

 

I just hope all of this money this team is saving is going to go toward A fair amount of FA's for next year.

Honestly, I think the Jags saw the Browns offer as mostly trying to prevent a divisional rival from getting the player.  The Cardinals likely saw the same thing with trading Levi Brown to the Steelers.  Imagine if we were competing for a divisional championship -- and we just needed a TE to push us over the edge.  We offer a rebuilding team a 3rd and a 4th for that TE.  But before the deal goes through the Colts, who already have a good TE -- trades a 2nd for him.  

 

I think ultimately... we got fair value for Monroe.  I think Caldwell is thinking two steps ahead:

 

-Not going to re-sign Monroe.  LT money is too expensive when you have a young player like Luke on your team ready to play the position

-Trading Monroe in the draft last year would have given him little time to evaluate Luke first

-Franchising Him costs too much (Think Jake Long)

-Compensation pick would be lessened by Free Agents we will sign in order to aid the rebuild

 

More would have been nice.  But if it's enough ammunition to move up at some point and grab a player that will make a difference, then I think it'll end up fine. 

Quote:Dummy? Insults are the last resort of people with a crumbling position trying to appear confident.

Del Rio, you have the lead on posts with no substance. It even says on your profile that you're a hall of famer at that. Good job, pal...stray away from my point and focus on one word.

 

It's kind of hard to string together consecutive posts to the cro-magnon/neanderthal crowd while they hurl rocks at birds so they can hopefully eat breakfast this morning.

Quote:Del Rio, you have the lead on posts with no substance. It even says on your profile that you're a hall of famer at that. Good job, pal...stray away from my point and focus on one word.

 

It's kind of hard to string together consecutive posts to the cro-magnon/neanderthal crowd while they hurl rocks at birds so they can hopefully eat breakfast this morning.

 

I have been looking at threads for a few minutes. I have seen you call people dummy, sheep, lemmings, neanderthals. What insults am I missing? It doesn't make you appear to be very interested in having an intelligent conversation.

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<p style="font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif;font-size:22px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Browns willing to deal a 2nd-day pick for Eugene Monroe and assume full contract, but talks never reached that stage:

 

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Surprised there's such a debate between what La Canfora and what O'Halloran are saying. They're saying completely different things. La Canfora's saying that they'd be willing to give up a 2nd day pick and assume the full contract, after negotiating. O'Halloran's saying that's not what they offered.

 

That's typically how negotiations work. The Browns wouldn't just offer the 2nd day pick and assumption of the full contract off the bat; they'd offer a lower deal and then the Jags would try and negotiate a better deal for the team. The Browns, according to La Canfora, would be willing to negotiate down all the way to the 2nd day pick and the contract before deciding that was too much. But the negotiations never got to the point where that was an offer.

 

Whether La Canfora's sources are accurate or not is a different matter. But, trying to argue that La Canfora's claim is contradicted by O'Halloran's or vice versa is ridiculous. They're arguing completely different things.

 

Quote:It's worrisome if it's true though that the Browns made a better offer.  Caldwell would now be on very bad terms with the Browns. We all remember how Gene Smith couldn't trade back and had to take LOLuLOLu.

 

The 49er's GM claimed they made an offer and Gene rejected it. Gene wanted Alualu.