Quote:I think the OP has some of the right idea....
However, he's underestimated what some of those FA will get and he's also overestimated the volume of big name FA's that Jax will sign or be able to get....
That said, I'd love an Alex Mack signing. It would be a perfect bridge from Meester.
A Greg Hardy signing would also be a good move.
I wouldn't bother with the rest, including Ben Tate. Instead, for RB I'd try to trade for Bryce Brown instead. The Eagles aren't likely to keep all 3 RB, and Polk has made Brown expendable. Brown was drafted for a 7th rounder so he'll obviously fetch more of a return than that, but I think the Jags could get him in exchange for a 3rd rounder/ maybe 4th. (since our pick is so high). I think Brown would be a great get for us, and I like the fact that he's got more size than Ben Tate.
Adding Mack, Hardy and Brown to the roster for next year as well as a draft that includes Bridgewater could really make this team start to take off by late in the year for 2014 - once everything starts to gel.
Well, certainly everyone will have their own opinions on who theywould and would not sign, but the point was just to demonstrate what we could do, should we choose to go that route.
The free agent contracts I think are fairly accurate. I did my homework with comparable players signed last year. For instance, Jake Long for Eugene Monroe, Andy Levitre for Alex Mack, etc.
I like Bryce Brown, but I just figured Ben Tate and Wade Smith are better fits for our zone scheme having both run it successfully in Houston.
Quote:Well, certainly everyone will have their own opinions on who theywould and would not sign, but the point was just to demonstrate what we could do, should we choose to go that route.
The free agent contracts I think are fairly accurate. I did my homework with comparable players signed last year. For instance, Jake Long for Eugene Monroe, Andy Levitre for Alex Mack, etc.
I like Bryce Brown, but I just figured Ben Tate and Wade Smith are better fits for our zone scheme having both run it successfully in Houston.
I dunno.....Bryce Brown reminds me of a Arian Foster type runner, I think it could work here. Isn't Ben Tate injury prone?
Quote:but the point was just to demonstrate what we could do, should we choose to go that route.
So all Dave simply has to do is choose your route and the other 31 teams in the league will lay down and pave the road for us to sign all major FA's at extremely reasonable prices?
Quote:So all Dave simply has to do is choose your route and the other 31 teams in the league will lay down and pave the road for us to sign all major FA's at extremely reasonable prices?
40 million dollar contracts aren't bargain barrel contracts. 8 million per year will put you in the top 10 at every position in the NFL, including quarterback. Some positions it will put you at the top. They might seem bargain barrel to you because we can afford so many, but the fact of the matter is that 20 teams and possibly more can't afford even 1 of those contracts. The Jaguars would be in competition with 10 other teams for mid lvl or better free agents and only 5 or so have the ability to sign multiple top 25 type free agents.
So yes, the majority of the league would roll over to those offers.
Quote:I wouldn't bother with the rest, including Ben Tate. Instead, for RB I'd try to trade for Bryce Brown instead. The Eagles aren't likely to keep all 3 RB, and Polk has made Brown expendable. Brown was drafted for a 7th rounder so he'll obviously fetch more of a return than that, but I think the Jags could get him in exchange for a 3rd rounder/ maybe 4th. (since our pick is so high). I think Brown would be a great get for us, and I like the fact that he's got more size than Ben Tate.
Why would you trade away a third round pick for Bryce Brown? That would be a waste.
Quote:Why would you trade away a third round pick for Bryce Brown? That would be a waste.
Why would that be a waste? We will most likely draft a RB next year in the mid rounds, get Brown who is all ready seasoned and proven he can play in the NFL
Quote:40 million dollar contracts aren't bargain barrel contracts. 8 million per year will put you in the top 10 at every position in the NFL, including quarterback. Some positions it will put you at the top. They might seem bargain barrel to you because we can afford so many, but the fact of the matter is that 20 teams and possibly more can't afford even 1 of those contracts. The Jaguars would be in competition with 10 other teams for mid lvl or better free agents and only 5 or so have the ability to sign multiple top 25 type free agents.
So yes, the majority of the league would roll over to those offers.
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8 mil/yr doesn't get you in the top 10 in any of those positions. 10 mil/yr doesn't get you in the top 10 in many of those positions. Certainly not the 'elite FA of that year at that position.' Those guys get top value for the position. Even the new FA interior lineman (Nicks, Mankins, Evans, Levitre, Joseph) are getting 8 mil a year. You don't get bargains in FA.
Let's continue with the Greg Hardy. The franchise tag for DE last year was 11.175 mil. Charles Johnson signed for 12.6/yr three years ago, Mario Williams 16/yr, Chris Long 12.06/yr. You honestly think the best young stud FA DE of this class is going to sign somewhere for 8/yr. You are quite the silly person my friend.
Quote:Why would that be a waste? We will most likely draft a RB next year in the mid rounds, get Brown who is all ready seasoned and proven he can play in the NFL
Bingo.
and Brown is younger than Tate by 3 years (22/ 25)
Not sure why giving up a 3rd rounder for a 22 year old Bryce Brown (who has proven he can play at a high level in this league) would be considered a "waste" by J2DD
then with Bridgewater - we'd already have a ready made nickname for our awesome Triplets - the "Killer B's"
Blackmon/ Brown/ Bridgewater
Proven he can play at a high level?
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That must be why he is a third stringer on a 1-3 team.
Quote:Bingo.
and Brown is younger than Tate by 3 years (22/ 25)
Not sure why giving up a 3rd rounder for a 22 year old Bryce Brown (who has proven he can play at a high level in this league) would be considered a "waste" by J2DD
then with Bridgewater - we'd already have a ready made nickname for our awesome Triplets - the "Killer B's"
Blackmon/ Brown/ Bridgewater
Who says the Eagles would accept that anyway? It was reported the Texans turned down the Browns 1st rounder last year for Tate.
Quote:Why would that be a waste? We will most likely draft a RB next year in the mid rounds, get Brown who is all ready seasoned and proven he can play in the NFL
How has he proven he can play in the NFL? He has 23 carries for 64 yards this year. I am pretty sure Jordan Todman can do that and it won't cost us the 65th pick in the draft for that level of production.
Quote:Proven he can play at a high level?
That must be why he is a third stringer on a 1-3 team.
He's already notched 2 150+ yard games as a starter in the NFL.... (when McCoy was injured in 2012)
Are you dense?
I suppose you'd instead rather draft a RB and chance that that RB wind up a disappointment like a Mikel LeShoure, right?? :wacko:
Sorry, but I'll take Brown, who's proven he can play over the RB lottery in the draft.
Quote:Who says the Eagles would accept that anyway? It was reported the Texans turned down the Browns 1st rounder last year for Tate.
Just because the Texans are stupid, doesn't mean the rest of the league is...
Quote:Just because the Texans are stupid, doesn't mean the rest of the league is...
No, but they sure might be. I don't hate your idea but the NFL just doesn't see these trades happen hardly ever. What is the last high upside backup player (non QB) who got traded for a substantial pick? There could be a bunch I'm forgetting but I can't think of any.
Quote:No, but they sure might be. I don't hate your idea but the NFL just doesn't see these trades happen hardly ever. What is the last high upside backup player (non QB) who got traded for a substantial pick? There could be a bunch I'm forgetting but I can't think of any.
The Eagles have lots of holes, too....and have a stockpile of 3 good RB. One will be traded next offseason, it makes too much sense for them not to.
It won't be McCoy that gets traded either - he's their stud playmaker, and Polk will have the least trade value of the bunch.
Brown is the most likely to be dealt.
I like it !! The jags need u !
Quote:He's already notched 2 150 yard+ games as a starter in the NFL....
Are you dense?
I suppose you'd instead rather draft a RB and chance that that RB wind up a disappointment like a Mikel LeShoure, right?? :wacko:
Sorry, but I'll take Brown, who's proven he can play over the RB lottery in the draft.
So you constantly complain on this board about the Jaguars paying Marcedes Lewis for an "outlier" season.
But you trust Bryce Brown based on two "outlier" games.
Outside of the two games you are referencing, Brown has 95 carries for 281 yards and 0 touchdowns.
Quote:So you constantly complain on this board about the Jaguars paying Marcedes Lewis for an "outlier" season.
But you trust Bryce Brown based on two "outlier" games.
Outside of the two games you are referencing, Brown has 95 carries for 281 yards and 0 touchdowns.
Oh, you mean outside of the games he's actually -
started, right??
You're trying too hard to shoot down a good idea....probably with the only reasoning being that -I- was the one who brought it up.
Marcedes never has had a single game where he's put up the kind of numbers that Bryce has put up in 2 of his starts in his brief time in this league. Terrible comparison. Plus, it took Marcedes 4-5 years to reach that one outlier season, Brown showed his potential in his ROOKIE season.
You are ridiculous with that comparison.
Quote:So you constantly complain on this board about the Jaguars paying Marcedes Lewis for an "outlier" season.
But you trust Bryce Brown based on two "outlier" games.
Outside of the two games you are referencing, Brown has 95 carries for 281 yards and 0 touchdowns.
Yeah. Then try for Matt Flynn, Matt Cassel and Peyton Hillus
Quote:The Eagles have lots of holes, too....and have a stockpile of 3 good RB. One will be traded next offseason, it makes too much sense for them not to.
It won't be McCoy that gets traded either - he's their stud playmaker, and Polk will have the least trade value of the bunch.
Brown is the most likely to be dealt.
I don't think any will be traded personally.